What if Apple does not release a new MBP at WWDC in June?

[vseera]

It’ll be really sad if Apple disappoints at WWDC this year. This is their chance to send a strong signal that Mac is still really important to them.

All the iOS development is done on Mac. I don’t understand why they would alienate their developers with stupidity when they can try and get more people on the Mac bandwagon.

I understand iOS is their thing now. But surely more products sold is more money and more market share.

Really hoping they fix the keyboard and adjust the prices according to actual rates.

 

[bopajuice]

At some point you're going to realize that most of your failures in life stem from **** like the above. I'm sure you're thinking it's just trolling for the lulz, but it's just an extension of the same elements of your day-to-day life that hold you back from where you should be. You keep telling yourself you "deserve" more, but your actions are childish and ornery. If you think people around you can't see it, well... Some day you'll either get over it and start moving forward in life, or ... you won't. But know that it's visible.



To be completely honest, I run Mac for work and custom gaming PC for, well, gaming - and Keynote is what keeps me on Macs for work. Despite being more prevalent, Outlook is slower, uglier, buggier, and three more steps for every one on Keynote. I get why people use it (especially those who have to integrate Excel and whatnot for their presentations) but for what I do (marketing, startup investment) Keynote alone is keeping me in the ecosystem.

That said, I'm damn close to hackintoshing if I'm not impressed by the new MBP. I've been holding off upgrading because of keyboard feel alone (it's not enough feedback for me) so the failures were just the topping on the "nope" cake. If it's the same thing, then there's a Dell or something in my future as my daily machine, and I'll dedicate the old one to just running Keynote. But I'm hoping that I can get what I want and need in late June.

I have no idea what point you were trying to make, but if you can find a level of acceptance and you are satisfied, then who am I to judge.

Be careful not to compromise what you want most for what you want now. - Zig

 

[thadoggfather]

it seems like they will since non touch bar 13" ship date just pushed to June 6th, after WWDC

 

[loby]

Huh????

What is your point?

Here is my point. It looks like Apple has just become a company without the real, enthusiasm or energy anymore to continue to press to make the best products. If you don't have that "zeal" anymore, give it to the next who want to press the new frontiers and call it a day. This is the "circle of life" of business, products etc. It is what it is..

Yes, Jobs was the center of that and I don't want to continue the "wish Jobs was still here" thing. But, if there was something wrong with a product JUST before releasing it, Jobs would put it on "hold" until it was worked out. If there was a know issue, he would eventually do something about it...usually (of course not always - you are a business still). With all of Jobs' short-comings, He still considered it "his" product and he did not care how much money was lost if the product was not "right" in his eyes. He was concerned about "the little things" and that matters.

I remember when the MacBook Air's and MacBook Pro's use to come with a black velvet cleaning cloth so you can wipe your screens. Classic...shows what the company (or the owner) is ultimately concern about...the experience overall. Does not cost much...but that was cut...? Why?

Boxes and packages had to be quality as well as the products themselves, now...really thin and lower quality but still "looks" good- like the newer generation's priority (most do not care about packaging, but it was a classic touch over the rest and brought a sense of you are paying premium pricing and the packaging showed it). The insides was also important even though no one generally would see it or really care. The experience of the whole was just as important then as the actual using of the product. A wholistic view that everything had to be "just right" or nothing was released. The customer was important, not just receiving their money (that is important of course - be real). Yes, during those times there were issues etc., but overall this was the philosophy and it showed.

Now...the importance of cutting everything down to the minimal to save a $ over quality, product integrity and especially user-experience makes Apple (now IBM) just like the others that they use to fight with. The MacBook Pro Keyboard issue...if it is a design issue, yea nice try...do what it takes and resolve it. This is not a PC for $299 that you just buy something else if the keyboard is bad. If something was wrong with a product, even if it was out-of-warranty. Apple generally would fix it. Not Now....Now, they totally ignore it UNLESS the courts order them to do something.

Apple care...USE to be an option. It was almost insulting to think that you needed it because the product should work when you bought it...if you need Apple Care...it was the "dumb" user who did something...this was generally the mentality. Products "generally" did not need Apple Care, it was just insurance. Now...a must, not because the user does something, but the mentality is now that you HAVE to buy it because there is a chance (great) that something is wrong with the product out-of-the-door.

If during the times before the new Apple, the Mac Pro issue would not have been pushed under the rug. I have one. Jobs would at least try to put butter on the issue and convince everyone that "hey" we tried something "different", but think-ing "different", we thought ourselves into "different" issues that were unseen at the time"...this would have been done early...not waiting 4 or more years to say something and let Pro users run away...they did not even saying like..."hey..bring your model in and we will change out the graphics card or check it out, or give options to make it right...or even upgrade it". This would have shown care for the user...

I had one of the original iPod nano's (loved it) and years later...when their was just a few overheating issues recorded around the world (one or a few reportedly caught fire), instead of just waiting until it happens, they said..Ok..it is a possibility, if you want, give it back and we will give you another...not just another, but one that is 5x better. No questions ask.

I had one of the original MacBook Air's. It had a hinge design problem. These things just happen and is part of design when you do something "different" and it takes time to get it right. It took "awhile" to get it right. I took my Air in for service for something else besides the hinge. I had to take it in about three times due to some issues found after repairs. They said., "We are sorry that you have had so much difficulties with your Air, because of that, we will exchange your three year old Air for the latest." They were impressed that I keep the thing in good condition and that there was not one scratch on it (meaning they saw I took care of it reasonably.). These were the days when they were climbing up the latter and competing with everyone else to be the best.

Now...or maybe a few years ago right around Jobs' death, Apple became the #1 company in the world, they reached their goal, and at the time each of their products were a "must have". The height of their game.

Once they reach the top...There is nowhere else to go..but down...slowly. Yes, they still have "good" products, but there is no incentive to push any longer to be the top or even maintain being "champ". They became everything that they were fighting against and they also used that fight (marketing gig) to get to where they are now.

So my point is...Apple...to those in charge, you did it..if you are tired of the game...then give it to someone else and let them now push to go further. The customer deserves that...they got you to where you are now...

Don't make us have to go elsewhere...we do not want to go...

 

[hajime]

In the past, Apple users loved Apple products because things just worked out. I have not used Windows 10. It is better or worse than previous versions of Windows. Do Windows users need to face compatible issues such as using external displays for presentation?

 

[Queen6]

In the past, Apple users loved Apple products because things just worked out. I have not used Windows 10. It is better or worse than previous versions of Windows. Do Windows users need to face compatible issues such as using external displays for presentation?

Switched to Windows 10 a couple of years back for my professional needs never been an issue, equally one does need to be mindful that Windows 10 is a more complex OS and requires a learning curve. By far the majority that have issue with Windows 10 is by fault of their own hand, which pretty much applies to all operating systems.

Why? OS X has gradually be come less & less stable, combined with Apple's disregard for the Mac and a design focus only on being thinner. I still use Mac's, however purely for basic tasks, as time goes on I will likely abandon the platform...

Pity as I've used the Mac for over twenty years...

Q-6

 

[DjanSeriyAnaplian]

I will have to commit sudoku.

 

[hajime]

Switched to Windows 10 a couple of years back for my professional needs never been an issue, equally one does need to be mindful that Windows 10 is a more complex OS and requires a learning curve. By far the majority that have issue with Windows 10 is by fault of their own hand, which pretty much applies to all operating systems.

Why? OS X has gradually be come less & less stable, combined with Apple's disregard for the Mac and a design focus only on being thinner. I still use Mac's, however purely for basic tasks, as time goes on I will likely abandon the platform...

Pity as I've used the Mac for over twenty years...

Q-6

Thanks. Yes, it is also ridiculous that after I upgraded to High Sierra, I cannot use Keynote anymore due to compatibility issue. Apple software should work well together.

Is that thinness madness JI or TC's fetishism?

 

[EugW]

Thanks. Yes, it is also ridiculous that after I upgraded to High Sierra, I cannot use Keynote anymore due to compatibility issue. Apple software should work well together.

Is that thinness madness JI or TC's fetishism?

Keynote works fine in High Sierra. Did you update to the latest version of Keynote?

 

[hajime]

Keynote works fine in High Sierra. Did you update to the latest version of Keynote?

When I tried to launch Keynote, the application could not be opened due to compatibility issue with High Sierra. There was no update but when I went to the App Store to search for it now, I found an updated version. Thank you very much. How come I was not notified to update?

When I opened one of the presentations, I got a list of messages saying that to play .avi file, it is being converted to ProRes or H.264. After the conversions, most part of the presentation worked but sometimes I got system hang when tried to play back some embedded videos.

 

[oldhifi]

Keep my MBP 17 inch..

 

[EugW]

When I tried to launch Keynote, the application could not be opened due to compatibility issue with High Sierra. There was no update but when I went to the App Store to search for it now, I found an updated version. Thank you very much. How come I was not notified to update?

No idea, but the first thing I did after installing my Apple applications was to update them.

When I opened one of the presentations, I got a list of messages saying that to play .avi file, it is being converted to ProRes or H.264. After the conversions, most part of the presentation worked but sometimes I got system hang when tried to play back some embedded videos.

Hmm... I never noticed this, but then again, I don't often use videos in Keynote. However, for the times I do use video, I never use .avi files, since .avi is not a native container on Macs.

 

[Glockworkorange]

I guess so, however I'd buy it refurb ($,1,699) Or on eBay for less than that.

Yeah, I mean, how can you spend close to $2K for outdated processors and other components (although it's nice the 2015's do have the force touch track pads, which are fantastic, at least in my opinion).
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No. This is known as Return Fraud in the US and is illegal. Other countries may have similar laws and even for the ones that don't, the companies have policies in place to prevent this.

Consumer protections and refund rights only apply for reasonable returns, not to use products as a rental service.

Is it really illegal? My understanding "return fraud" is using stolen receipts, stolen products, etc., when making returns.

In any event, it is abuse and I'm sure if Apple caught you doing it, they wouldn't let you make continuous returns.

I think I've also seen posts on this forum about Apple blacklisting certain folks who abuse returns. I don't know if that is true.

I've personally taken advantage of the generous return policy in the past and I really hope people don't abuse it so Apple will continue to offer such great customer service.

In my view, the "Apple Tax" is more for the customer service, including the ability to just take a product back with no questions asked, than the actual quality of the products. I want to continue to have nice things, so please don't abuse the system

 

[hajime]

I have been using Apple's products since the Apple II. I grew up with Apple. Without people like me, Apple would not have been a big company. Of all these years, I have only returned one computer which I consider to be rubbish and toy-like. I guess it is a fair game. If they make excellent products, people will not return them. They made a return policy and they expect that some people will return them. It is part of the marketing strategy. As some people mentioned in this forum, if there were no such policy, they would have hesitated to try out the products and Apple would not have sold some products. If they don't want people to use their products and return during a transition period such as now, perhaps they should let us know their products' road maps. They have been behind compared with other manufacturers, removing useful features, made those butterfly keyboards for crazy thinness and have caused some long-term customers to suffer, they should feel shame on what they have done.

 

[maflynn]

they should feel shame on what they have done.

Feelings have nothing to do with it. Apple is a multibillion dollar corporation, their focus is to increase the value and wealth of thier owners (stock holders). People tend to get emotionally vested with apple, but they're no different then Lenovo, ASUS, HP, etc. They're in business to make a profit. When you remove the emotion from your buying decision, you are able to discern what tool best fits your needs.

 

[hajime]

Feelings have nothing to do with it. Apple is a multibillion dollar corporation, their focus is to increase the value and wealth of thier owners (stock holders). People tend to get emotionally vested with apple, but they're no different then Lenovo, ASUS, HP, etc. They're in business to make a profit. When you remove the emotion from your buying decision, you are able to discern what tool best fits your needs.

Thank you Master. Spending all these time including toilet time on the forum is not healthy. This has to end at WWDC.

I use iPhone and I plan to buy an iPAD PRO 12.9". For back up and file sharing, giving that we have cloud services, is it still better to use a Mac laptop or it does not matter anymore?

 

[maflynn]

Thank you Master. Spending all these time including toilet time on the forum is not healthy.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but please do not call me master. I'm a member providing my opinion.
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is it still better to use a Mac laptop or it does not matter anymore?

It depends what you need the MBP/iPad for. If you can execute the same types of tasks on the iPad, then why not. for my usage, its not a good fit, but everyone's needs are different.

 

[hajime]

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but please do not call me master. I'm a member providing my opinion.
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It depends what you need the MBP/iPad for. If you can execute the same types of tasks on the iPad, then why not. for my usage, its not a good fit, but everyone's needs are different.

I found the iPad PRO to be an excellent device for pdf annotations. I have tried some 2 in 1 laptops in Microsoft Store. The pens are not as good as Apple Pencil. Also, when folding those Windows laptops to turn them into tablet, I found it difficult to hold them as my fingers touched the keys.

The iPad alone cannot be used to get all of my jobs done. I am in STEM. I need a real computer.
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I have not used Windows 10. For those who have used Mac for awhile and switched to Windows 10, what are the pros and cons using Windows laptops? I use Windows 7 sometimes for CAD and simulations work. It seems to be OK except that:

1) I cannot find an easy and reliable way to backup the entire machine. One time I used Norton Ghost but I was not able the recover the system in case of emergency. On the Mac, it is very simple to back up the entire system including files and system settings using SuperDuper, TimeMachine or CCC. For Windows partition, I can just use Winclone to back up first and then one of the three just mentioned program to back up the image to an external drive.

2) Moving to a new machine with new hardware is very easy. Just use TimeMachine and Mac OS does the rest of the job. With Windows, I don't know of an efficient way to do it.

3) Windows updates in the middle of important work. Lost some work. Really annoying. Sometimes after one update, I had to perform a series of subsequent updates. On the Mac, it is just a one-time update until the next version comes out few months later.

4) On the Mac, it is easy to generate pdf files or change file type by just changing the file extension.

5) At least before MBP 2015 and Windows 10, Mac users had no issue connecting the MBP to public projectors for presentations while it was not uncommon to see Windows users had all sorts of issues including connections and video playback.

6) I heard that scaling of UI and fonts in 4K displays under Windows is horrible while Mac OS does it nicely.

7) Easy to share files between the MBP and iOS devices.

8) As mentioned before, at least before TC took over, excellent after-sales services if you have Apple Care. Not sure about Windows laptops manufacturers.

9) MBP had excellent keyboard and long battery life. Not anymore.

10) I had a peace of mind buying Apple products knowing that big brother Steve was always behind Apple products to make things right. How about Apple under the current management? The only things in TC's mind seem to be just profits at all cost and his fetishism towards ultra-thin laptops at the cost of removing useful features and performance.

I have not used Windows 10. For those who have used Mac for awhile and switched to Windows 10, what are the pros and cons using Windows laptops?

 

[maflynn]

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I mostly agree, I never found a backup solution that was as easy as TM or Carbon Copy Cloner. With my windows machines, I try very hard to use cloud storage and this helps tremendously. I agree with windows update prior to win10, but since I've been on win10, I've never had an issue, I can set the reboot time and stop the update - YMMV

I agree that for the most part with OS X, it just works, and that's one major reason why I'm still leaning towards the MBP even though I'm not sure I'm wanting spend the money personally.

 

[hajime]

I mostly agree, I never found a backup solution that was as easy as TM or Carbon Copy Cloner. With my windows machines, I try very hard to use cloud storage and this helps tremendously. I agree with windows update prior to win10, but since I've been on win10, I've never had an issue, I can set the reboot time and stop the update - YMMV

I agree that for the most part with OS X, it just works, and that's one major reason why I'm still leaning towards the MBP even though I'm not sure I'm wanting spend the money personally.

Are you using Windows 10 PRO? I read that only users of the PRO version can delay the updates.

So, for the sake of convenience, just get the MBP 2018 and if I don't like the keyboard, get an external keyboard so that at least at home, I don't have to deal with those strange sensation caused by those butterfly keys?

I have a portable foldable BT keyboard for Android tablet. It is even better than that the butterfly keyboard on the 2017. I hope it will also work with the MBP 2018.

 

[loby]

Thank you Master. Spending all these time including toilet time on the forum is not healthy. This has to end at WWDC.

I use iPhone and I plan to buy an iPAD PRO 12.9". For back up and file sharing, giving that we have cloud services, is it still better to use a Mac laptop or it does not matter anymore?

Best time to read Macrumors is when you are on the toilet, these forums are toilet time reading...what’s your point?

 

[hajime]

Best time to read Macrumors is when you are on the toilet, these forums are toilet time reading...what’s your point?

I meant spending too much of my waking hours, including toilet time, on Macrumors. Two days ago, even woke up at 4am and checked rumors. This is not healthy. The decision has to be made at WWDC. If they just announce a new MBP and say that it will be available few months later, it may be better to buy a Winodws laptop than to wait and wait again. Even with more waiting, there is no guarantee that the new MBP will be as satisfactory as older ones. Too bad the new MacBook Air won't be out until later this year. There is also no news about possible new mini.

 

[PhilMacbook]

I went to the Apple Store yesterday to try out the MBP again. I keep going there trying to convince myself about the Touchbar and new MBPs. I've got a 2012 MBP and I would like Apple to launch something in June that has a WOW factor. Touchbar just doesn't do it for me.

I use Logic X and that runs fine on my current 16GB machine. I don't need a faster processor or USB3. Right now the only big plus the new MBPs have is TouchID and that isn't enough.

I am more interested in great battery life than lightness and port wastage. I have been wanting to upgrade to something great for 2 years but I am beginning to think I should just keep what I have for a while. I have to say it has been a sturdy machine and does the job well.

 

[lec0rsaire]

From the delayed shipping times it seems that the only MBPs getting a refresh are the 13” base non-TB models. At least for now. Perhaps the replacement for the MBA will be announced as well. I don’t see them selling such an old design without a Retina display for much longer.
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I went to the Apple Store yesterday to try out the MBP again. I keep going there trying to convince myself about the Touchbar and new MBPs. I've got a 2012 MBP and I would like Apple to launch something in June that has a WOW factor. Touchbar just doesn't do it for me.

I use Logic X and that runs fine on my current 16GB machine. I don't need a faster processor or USB3. Right now the only big plus the new MBPs have is TouchID and that isn't enough.

The touchbar MBPs are the design for this gen. Take it or leave it. They are not going to ditch the touch bar. You can always buy a 13” without it but they are not as powerful as the TB models and only have two TB3 ports. The current design isn’t even 2 years old. Why don’t you buy one, try it for two full weeks and then decide whether you want to keep it or not? You really have nothing to lose.
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It takes courage to raise the price of previous-generation hardware when everyone else would lower it. That is truly thinking different.

But seriously, the value-for-money of new MacBook Pros has hit an all-time low. At the very least Apple needs to drop the price of the TouchBar models and introduce a better keyboard which is hopefully already being tested.

Thank Brexit for that. I’m sure Apple increased prices across the board to correct for the weak pound in 2016. Now the pound is back to normal but the “corrected” prices are here to stay.

 

[alecgold]

I’m laughing at all those waiting fan boys. I needed a new one, so guess what? I bought a new one!! Almost maxed out 15” an I’m loving it. Every day the pleasure of a fast, beautiful new machine.
What is the purpose of waiting and moaning about it? If you don’t need it, don’t buy. If you do need, well needs must, isn’t it?