What if Apple does not release a new MBP at WWDC in June?

[macintoshmac]

Were they though? Having video adapters was always mandatory for me when traveling for work, since many places still only offer a VGA/DVI connections. Nothing has really changed in this regard with the 2016 model... the amount of dongles I carry around is still the same, but in total I need to carry less weight and volume, which helps.

The VGA part.. true that. I remember connecting my 2011 MBP to the monitor for watching movies on the bigger screen and needing a dongle and a cable. With 2012 above, a simple HDMI cable would have done it. Connection to projectors was always a no-show for these. hehe. In that regard, the 2016 above notebooks offer far lesser weight and other advantages that, like you, I appreciate, too.

 

[Queen6]

As of now, 17 forum users voted for getting a Windows laptop but only one user goes for Hackintosh. Why not getting a Windows laptop and make it dual boots (Windows 10 and Hackintosh?

Too temperamental and more importantly for professional work voids all T&C's...

Q-6

 

[Samuelsan2001]

It’s not going to happen any update will be just that a silent update and a press release when it happens it may happen next month it may happen in a few months tome there will be updated mbps this year probably before fall that is all we know and all we will know until it happens WWDC is a software conference after all.

 

[MrGunnyPT]

Will continue to wait, there's no way I'll get a Dual Core 13" i'm not a dumbass.

I need 16GB of RAM + 4 Cores to run my VMs without any issue.

 

[hajime]

Clean the internals of the MacBook from dust and apply new thermal paste.

If you do those things, you might not even have to upgrade.

I just did that. Now my MBP is dead silent. No crazy fan noise. I have to put my ear next to the keyboard to hear faint noise from the fan. Thanks for the suggestion.

Now another issue is the light on the magsafe is off often. I have to take it out and reconnect. Even so, the light goes out again and I have to replug.

Let's hope that it can serve me until the next computer arrives.
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No, why would it be dangerous? Applying fresh, quality paste (like Arctic MX-4), to any device that uses it is always beneficial. Especially when they're very old devices like your MacBook Pro from 2010. That paste must be so dry and crusted that just thinking about it makes me shiver. It could be a cause for the fan going haywire.

Just make sure you remove the battery connector before doing anything and patience is key. Lookup guides or teardown videos on YouTube for help.

I bought Arctic MX-4 and reapplied the thermal paste. My MBP is dead silent. Thanks.

 

[_Kiki_]

I just did that. Now my MBP is dead silent. No crazy fan noise. I have to put my ear next to the keyboard to hear faint noise from the fan. Thanks for the suggestion.

Now another issue is the light on the magsafe is off often. I have to take it out and reconnect. Even so, the light goes out again and I have to replug.

Let's hope that it can serve me until the next computer arrives.
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I bought Arctic MX-4 and reapplied the thermal paste. My MBP is dead silent. Thanks.

Arctic MX-4 it's cheap but it's only mediocre quality thermal paste

 

[eddjedi]

An amazing amount of bad advice in this thread. Don't believe all the hype you read here, almost 2 year old 2016 Macbook Pro TB here that I'm typing on right now and they keyboard works just fine. Sure there have been some failure reports, but it's still a small fraction compared to the vast amount sold. Nothing is foolproof, all hardware can fail.

Buying a 'new' 2015 model or using an even older failing MBP because you're scared a keyboard MIGHT fail is just madness. If the issue was anywhere near as pandemic as this forum would have you believe, Apple would have done something about it like they did with the iOS battery issue.

 

[loby]

since you need it for work, you should have got one long ago. And what do you mean with having waited 2.5 years? there have been updates in that time frame

But if you are set on waiting, so some maintenance on your 2010.
These are options depending on how handy you feel.
1. remove bottom and clean dust from fans and heatsink grills. This can be done by everyone with a can of compressed air.
2. if you feel good around tech and computer, replace the thermal past as what is in it will be dry now.

If it looks like the above fixed the issues, upgrade the RAM and put an SSD in it and it will be fast and continue for awhile. My 13” 2010 is the one that you can put 16 GB of RAM in beyond Apple’s 8GB limitation and it is still usable. This allows me to wait until Apple fixes the keyboard or comes out with something worthy to upgrade.

 

[Smeaton1724]

Look at the Dell XPS line-up, there has to be new Macs, 13 will get Quad core, 15 will get hexa core. The interesting thing is what Apple do with graphics, they have snuggled up to AMD but there's a massive case for no dGPU in any mac laptop and push people to the eGPU route via Thunderbolt 3 and in that case why not also court the attention of Nvidia?!

 

[loby]

Buying a computer to use as a rental is a pretty scummy thing to do. The return policies are only generous for as long as people don't abuse them like this. Legitimately trying out a computer during the return window and taking it back because it doesn't work for you is one thing. But getting a new computer you know you aren't going to keep at the time of purchase just to "hold you over" would be the epitome of not cool.

Just go back to your old laptop for the time being. Another 2 weeks won't be the end of the world.

As an aside, I have the 2016 model. I realize everyone has subjective taste with the keyboard and I had issues with it in the beginning as well, but ultimately I was able to alter my typing a bit in terms of how much force I was putting on each key and that made a world of difference for me. Now every time I use an older Apple laptop the mushy-ness of the keyboard is not something I prefer. I would imagine that in the long run not beating the hell out of my keys when typing will limit the possibility of RSI issues, at least somewhat.



If an Apple retail employee tries to tell you they know about unannounced stuff coming at WWDC, just walk away. They are feeding you a line. They may release new laptops. I would imagine when they do there will be some mitigation of the reliability issues with the keyboards, but not any sort of reversion back to the previous style.

But if they do get announced it will be nothing more than an affirmative hunch on the part of the guy or gal at the retail store.

I too experienced the difference between keyboards. I liked the old style keyboards and the feel, but once I bought the newer external Apple keyboard and adjusted the way I type (need to type lighter and not having to push so hard anymore) going back I noticed a difference and prefer the newer keyboard.

Yes, there are issues with the MacBook Pro keyboard, but how much of it are people who type the old way of pushing down hard or banging on the keys. That will cause issues with they newer keyboard.

Not saying that this is the cause and Apple’s design does not need some modification, but I wonder how much of the issue is user typing habits...just a thought...

 

[leman]

but there's a massive case for no dGPU in any mac laptop

Going no dGPU on 15" MBP at this time would essentially kill the laptop line. The only available iGPUs are frankly terrible compared to other options and the 15" would stuck having 50% slower graphics than the 13" model... the external GPUs are only usable on the external screen and not every user wants to buy an expensive bulky eGPU kit.
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Not saying that this is the cause and Apple’s design does not need some modification, but I wonder how much of the issue is user typing habits...just a thought...

I am sure that typing habits are the main factor in the keyboard experience — after all, people who complain about the lack of travel are usually the people who are used smash the keys with excessive force (so of course for them there eis a lack of travel). The new keyboard is very responsive and has very smooth feedback to it despite it being so shallow. Once you start typing softly, its a delight to use.

That said, user typing habits should not lead to keyboard hardware failure

 

[maflynn]

I wonder how much of the issue is user typing habits...just a thought...

Rene Ritchie of imore has been known to do logical gymnastics to defend apple at any and all cost, had this to say about his MBP

May 22, 2018: My MacBook Pro has finally succumbed to key death
After testing three MacBooks and five MacBooks Pro with the new butterfly-mechanism keys, using a couple of them full time for months at a time, I've finally experienced it… key death. Dust-maggedon. The end of type.

I don't think its people's use pattern that is at fault but rather apple's design. The concensus is, that the design of the butterfly keyboard has so little room, that debris is getting caught up under the keys and if you're not careful that can actaully break the mechanism. Given that the older keyboards and other laptop makesrs are not failing because people typing hard, its not the user but the design.

 

[hajime]

About the butterfly keyboard... Do you think Apple did that on purpose (to get people to change MBP more often, to pay for repairing cost, to buy Apple Care, etc.) or they just made the mistake unintentionally?

 

[_Kiki_]

butterfly keyboard? so the next gen will be moth keyboard?

 

[MrGunnyPT]

About the butterfly keyboard... Do you think Apple did that on purpose (to get people to change MBP more often, to pay for repairing cost, to buy Apple Care, etc.) or they just made the mistake unintentionally?

Nah, only the hardcore fans which are 0.1% talk on the forums about this. Most people don't even take issurance on a computer.

 

[leman]

About the butterfly keyboard... Do you think Apple did that on purpose (to get people to change MBP more often, to pay for repairing cost, to buy Apple Care, etc.) or they just made the mistake unintentionally?

Totally on purpose! It was a cunning and devious plan devised and executed personally by Tim Cook and Jony Ive in a dark basement full of priceless works of art, while they were smoking expensive cigars and laughing maniacally. The plan involved spending millions and millions of $ as well as years of R&D to design a principally new, more expensive to manufacture keyboard mechanism that would intentionally be less reliable, all in order to blemish Apple's reputation, provoke lawsuits, alienate the customers, decrease the sales and make Appel waste money on warranty repairs.

Come on man, don't be silly. There are much simpler, cheaper and less obvious ways to make the computer less reliable. Just use ******** capacitors/reduce the quality of the power converters and watch the laptops mysteriously suffer random component failures without an obvious pattern to them. And you'd save tons of money at the same time.

 

[maflynn]

About the butterfly keyboard... Do you think Apple did that on purpose (to get people to change MBP more often, to pay for repairing cost, to buy Apple Care, etc.) or they just made the mistake unintentionally?

You mean develop a keyboard that will fail while the laptop is still in warranty and increase their costs by repairing the keyboard and not charging customers?

 

[Cole Slaw]

About the butterfly keyboard... Do you think Apple did that on purpose (to get people to change MBP more often, to pay for repairing cost, to buy Apple Care, etc.) or they just made the mistake unintentionally?

I think the keyboard is like this because of their thinner at all costs mentality.
It's a bad design; prone to failure and very expensive and wasteful (whole top case) to have replaced.

 

[CrazyForCashews]

Now another issue is the light on the magsafe is off often. I have to take it out and reconnect. Even so, the light goes out again and I have to replug.

Check to see if the magsafe connector on the cable and the MacBook are dirty. If they are, clean it up with a microfibre cloth and very little isopropyl alcohol (make sure cable is disconnected from the power outlet, and that the MacBook is turned off).

I bought Arctic MX-4 and reapplied the thermal paste. My MBP is dead silent. Thanks.

I'm glad it worked out. More people should do things themselves so that they can learn something and save money.

Arctic MX-4 it's cheap but it's only mediocre quality thermal paste

There are countless comparisons done on many thermal pastes and the conclusion is that the differences between them are negligible. Arctic MX-4 is recommended most of the time because it just simply gets the job done without breaking the bank. I've applied it to many difference devices, everything from laptops to consoles, and I've always been satisfied.

Also, as mentioned by the person who changed their paste, it looks like the new paste got the job done, and that's what matters.

 

[Smeaton1724]

Going no dGPU on 15" MBP at this time would essentially kill the laptop line. The only available iGPUs are frankly terrible compared to other options and the 15" would stuck having 50% slower graphics than the 13" model... the external GPUs are only usable on the external screen and not every user wants to buy an expensive bulky eGPU kit.

They went Iris Pro only a few years ago with the majority of the 15'' line up 2014 and 15 (I think they sold 3 models with the top model 15'' having a dGPU?). The current 2015 ''classic'' design that they still sell only has Intel graphics, so I don't think it would kill the line as they must have sold more 15's without a dGPU than with them over the last 3 years.

Talking dGPU's what they can put in that form factor is weak in terms of dGPU performance, so even though they are better than Intel are they really worth the cost, heat and possible failure rates?! I'd rather they take them out entirely (like 2/3 of the line had already done), develop the eGPU support and cover both AMD and Nvidia.

I do agree that Intel graphics is terrible compared to a dGPU BUT the dGPU is rubbish compared to an eGPU.

 

[maflynn]

I think the keyboard is like this because of their thinner at all costs mentality.

Yep, I agree and I have to say we're well beyond the point of diminishing returns, and facing diminished quality

 

[0186279]

@OP - I'm on a mid 2010 13". Do you have an SSD installed? I've got an SSD and 8gb and my fan rarely ever boots up and I experience little to no lag. The heaviest thing I do on it is photoshop, but still. Sounds like you may want to consider those two upgrades if you haven't done them yet. This could at least get you through to the fall when something is sure to be released.

 

[leman]

They went Iris Pro only a few years ago with the majority of the 15'' line up 2014 and 15

Except that the Iris Pro offered competitive performance to low-range dGPUs... and was roughly the same performance class as the dGPU in the version before it. The dGPUs they have in the MBP right now is 3-4 or more times faster than the available iGPUs for those CPUs.

Talking dGPU's what they can put in that form factor is weak in terms of dGPU performance, so even though they are better than Intel are they really worth the cost, heat and possible failure rates?!

Its a mid-range GPU that can play almost any contemporary game and offers close to 2TFLOPS of compute performance. Its certainly not a match for a high-end GPU, but calling it weak is overdoing it a bit...

Removing the dGPU at this point would severely reduce graphical performance of the MBP and indeed turn it into a weak ultrabook. Again, that would be the death of the line. Not everybody who needs some GPU performance is willing or able to invest into an eGPU with all it drawbacks. The eGPU is a valid reason not to offer a fast GPU inside the MBP. Its quite a crappy excuse to completely gimp its compute and graphics performance though.

 

[hajime]

Check to see if the magsafe connector on the cable and the MacBook are dirty. If they are, clean it up with a microfibre cloth and very little isopropyl alcohol (make sure cable is disconnected from the power outlet, and that the MacBook is turned off).


I'm glad it worked out. More people should do things themselves so that they can learn something and save money.


There are countless comparisons done on many thermal pastes and the conclusion is that the differences between them are negligible. Arctic MX-4 is recommended most of the time because it just simply gets the job done without breaking the bank. I've applied it to many difference devices, everything from laptops to consoles, and I've always been satisfied.

Also, as mentioned by the person who changed their paste, it looks like the new paste got the job done, and that's what matters.

While I opened the computer, I saw the CPU, the Nvidia and one other metal-like square chip. Strangely speaking, there is no heat sink for it! How come? Inside my MBP 2010 17", the heat sink is like:

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Unibody+Mid+2010+Heat+Sink+Replacement/3102

It looks like Apple used different versions because in some other photos and videos, the 2010 17" has another type of heatsink that covers all three chips.

 

[hajime]

Check to see if the magsafe connector on the cable and the MacBook are dirty. If they are, clean it up with a microfibre cloth and very little isopropyl alcohol (make sure cable is disconnected from the power outlet, and that the MacBook is turned off).


I'm glad it worked out. More people should do things themselves so that they can learn something and save money.


There are countless comparisons done on many thermal pastes and the conclusion is that the differences between them are negligible. Arctic MX-4 is recommended most of the time because it just simply gets the job done without breaking the bank. I've applied it to many difference devices, everything from laptops to consoles, and I've always been satisfied.

Also, as mentioned by the person who changed their paste, it looks like the new paste got the job done, and that's what matters.

The bottom is still very hot but the crazy noisy fan issue is gone.
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Removing the dGPU at this point would severely reduce graphical performance of the MBP and indeed turn it into a weak ultrabook. Again, that would be the death of the line. Not everybody who needs some GPU performance is willing or able to invest into an eGPU with all it drawbacks. The eGPU is a valid reason not to offer a fast GPU inside the MBP. Its quite a crappy excuse to completely gimp its compute and graphics performance though.

Perhaps that is the idea behind Apple. This will make the iPad looks good in terms of GPU performance. They can reassert that the iPad can replace computers.