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What if Apple does not release a new MBP at WWDC in June?
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They don't.
(But I know you know)
I think employees in the store know few days in advance because they have to learn how to use the new features to show customers when the computers are physically in the store? Or is it the reason usually it takes about a week for new MBP/iPad to be available for people to try out in the stores?
I get the feeling that if new MBPs are announced at the WWDC then you can say goodbye to the last MBP with a decent keyboard, the 2015 MBP. I mean, why would Apple keep it on there? I'm surprised that I can still order one in 2018 and might do just that before the show. Overpriced, but solid. I want to move up to a retina screen, but keep the same style keyboard from my 2009 MBP 13-inch (it's hanging in there!).
I tried the 2017 keyboard and while I could probably get used to it, I didn't like the feel much. It felt like my hands would get tired doing Logic Pro key commands because the keys are in different spacings and offer less tactile feedback. I'd really dig a quad-core 13-inch MBP or a hex-core 15-inch MBP to use with Logic. But it seems like every step Apple takes toward "new and improved" makes me feel more unsure and uncomfortable. (The huge trackpad kind of bothers me too).
So if Apple releases a 2018 quad-core or hex-core model, depending on price I would get the best value between those, but only on condition that there is an "improvement" to the keyboards. And if Apple releases nothing, then I hope they'll keep the 2015 MBP in the lineup a little longer.
I tried the 2017 keyboard and while I could probably get used to it, I didn't like the feel much. It felt like my hands would get tired doing Logic Pro key commands because the keys are in different spacings and offer less tactile feedback. I'd really dig a quad-core 13-inch MBP or a hex-core 15-inch MBP to use with Logic. But it seems like every step Apple takes toward "new and improved" makes me feel more unsure and uncomfortable. (The huge trackpad kind of bothers me too).
So if Apple releases a 2018 quad-core or hex-core model, depending on price I would get the best value between those, but only on condition that there is an "improvement" to the keyboards. And if Apple releases nothing, then I hope they'll keep the 2015 MBP in the lineup a little longer.
There will be CPU updates. Coffee lake is an actual update worth taking. You'll likely see a 6 core Macbook Pro 15" and a quad core Macbook Pro 13"
1-2% is still a HUGE number of returns (and much higher than I've ever seen in my career of rolling out hundreds of laptops per year - except for the Dell E series latitudes of 2008). Failure rate of any higher than say 0.01-0.001% is a disaster.
Find another laptop with chronic keyboard failure (inside of a few months) in the last 15-20 years. And yes, this entire thread is about options to vote with your wallet, rather than buy these current broken-by-design machines.
A good friend of mine went through 3 Retina 12" Macbooks inside of 2 months due to keyboard failures before exchanging for a 2015 retina 13" Pro. Loved the machine, but the constant keyboard failures interfered with his business. He was using the machine as his primary work device and it spent way too much time being repaired. Literally couldn't afford the lost productivity as an independent consultant.
The exact same issue is still happening - another friend upgraded to a 2017 spec Macbook Pro 15 a few months ago. It lasted a month before going back to Apple. Keyboard issue again.
I'm in the uncomfortable situation right now of looking down the barrel of a Macbook Air as being a replacement for my superior spec retina macbook 13" (2015) if i want a machine with current warranty that doesn't suck.
But that would mean giving up the retina (class) display and I'm just not willing to do that.
So its battery replacement and/or iPad Pro (and living with the awkwardness in certain situations) to hopefully wait it out until apple sort this out.
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Yes TB2, but most definitely supports 4K at 60Hz. I'm using that daily between my three screens Dell 2415Q, LG 27U850 and also my LG 34UW99 (OK, not 4K that one). But you have to use the mini-DP port, not the HDMI out. HDMI doesn't support 60Hz.
I am a bit confused. My TV has no mini-DP or DP port. Moreover, doesn't HDMI 2.0 support 60Hz?
Are you sure this is not because the exchange rate between USD and GBP lost some 20% between 2015 and now...?
If you use it to watch TV or movies then the 60Hz is irrelevant. I am only aware of one UHD Bluray that is authored to play at 60Hz and laptops can't play that anyway.
If you connect a monitor to do some work then you'll use a mini-DP to DP cable and you'll get 60Hz at 4K resolutions no problem.
Since there has been discussion here of an ARM-style MBP, I am wondering - how will things like Parallels work? While I really like the idea of Apple taking control of its chip/SoC over from Intel (who is far from a leader ay more), ARM Windows has a lot of limitations; most especially, 64-bit Windows apps will not work on Windows 10 on ARM. Only 32-bit x86 desktop apps work. In fact, from what I have read Microsoft's Hyper-V isn't supported, meaning no VMs using Microsoft's hypervisor technology - maybe Parallels and other competitors can't even run on a MBP/ARM. I always seem to have 1-3 Win apps I need to run on my MBP, so this would be a show stopper for me.
Is there answer to this quandary, even in hypothesis?
Is there answer to this quandary, even in hypothesis?
I think it's highly unlikely for Apple to switch the entire Mac lineup to ARM in the foreseeable future. Think of an ARM Mac as an iPad-stuck-to-a-keyboard, which many people won't mind using to browse, write emails and the casual platform game. We're talking about an entry-level Mac, certainly not a pro-level machine.
There will still be Macs with Intel (or maybe AMD processors, as they have caught up a lot lately) for a number of years to come.
There will still be Macs with Intel (or maybe AMD processors, as they have caught up a lot lately) for a number of years to come.
My upgrade cycle has been 2012->2014->2016
What I'd like to see is 32GB DDR4, a BEEFIER GPU, better keyboard, improved cooling, 1080p camera, thinner bezels, and a 144Hz screen. It may sound like I am asking for a gaming laptop, but honestly last few years have been horribly disappointing by now Apple must know how discontent people are.
What I'd like to see is 32GB DDR4, a BEEFIER GPU, better keyboard, improved cooling, 1080p camera, thinner bezels, and a 144Hz screen. It may sound like I am asking for a gaming laptop, but honestly last few years have been horribly disappointing by now Apple must know how discontent people are.
They keep the 2012 13" MBP in the line up until the 2016 made it 2 generations old.
The 2015 appeals to companies that have standardized on that model, which are a lot. Large IT departments are very slow to adopt new systems, and have tens of thousands of machines to maintain over the depreciation period.
That is the reason is the reason the price increased in 2016 yes. But that still doesn’t make it good value for money.
The tech is (at least) 3 years old so even the $100 reduction in the US price is an insult today. And USD - GBP exchange rates are considerably stronger today than they were in 2016 meaning a £250 increase today is unjustified.
I do think there’s a chance that we will see some hardware at WWDC, iJustine was sent an invite now I could be reading to much into it but if it’s all about software this year why invite her?
The last time she got an invite was the September iPhone X event, she uploaded a few tech videos with hands on the iPhone X, iPhone 8 and so on.
The last time she got an invite was the September iPhone X event, she uploaded a few tech videos with hands on the iPhone X, iPhone 8 and so on.
There's obviously gonna be hardware.. Expect AirPower release date, maybe some new Modular Mac info & the refresh Macbook Pro just like last year.
I don’t know about obviously as Apple have done WWDC before without hardware and there are some people who think there won’t be hardware this year. I was pointing out that iJustine has been invited which I think is odd if it’s just software.
Still have not decided what to do in case there is no reasonably comfortable keyboard for the new MBP. Went to BB and Microsoft store to try out the keyboard of various Windows laptops from different brands. I have to say the keyboard that came with the MBP 2017 is the worst. Completely rubbish. Those Windows laptops are also really fast when launching applications.
Windows laptops with the specs I want are very heavy. For example, those Alienware 15 and 17 laptops. They also come with very big and heavy power adapter. As for the Razor blade, it is relatively light but I heard about bad after sales customer services. Not sure how durable their laptops are.
What shall I do? Just wait for a few more days and see how it goes?
Windows laptops with the specs I want are very heavy. For example, those Alienware 15 and 17 laptops. They also come with very big and heavy power adapter. As for the Razor blade, it is relatively light but I heard about bad after sales customer services. Not sure how durable their laptops are.
What shall I do? Just wait for a few more days and see how it goes?
Not sure what computing power you need but here is a fresh Windows laptop option (would purchase tomorrow if actually available in UK):
https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/29/17396818/huawei-matebook-x-pro-laptop-review-spec
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Or consider a Surface Book 2. Both of which can be had cheaper than the equivalent MBP
I will spend many hours on public transportation so no more than 2kg and long battery life (over 10 hours) are desirable. Since I may need to do some work using Nvidia GPU under Ubuntu Linux, maybe I need to go for an eGPU option as Windows laptops with powerful GPU are heavy and have heat issues.
I considered SB2 last year but it has throttling issues. The LCD screen also wobbles a lot. In tablet mode, the battery life is bad. Implementation of the pen is not as good as the IPP+Pencil.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Surfa...ities-and-slower-response-times.264060.0.html
Any suggestion? Maybe I am stuck with Apple.
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@hajime
It's either MBP of Huawei Matebook. I've got a chance to play a little with that device, and it's great! Build quality is awesome, screen with 3:2 aspect ratio is great as well. Keyboard is pretty good as well. And looking at reviews, battery life is great as well. I couldn't test that one out myself because I've used the device less then 1h
It's either MBP of Huawei Matebook. I've got a chance to play a little with that device, and it's great! Build quality is awesome, screen with 3:2 aspect ratio is great as well. Keyboard is pretty good as well. And looking at reviews, battery life is great as well. I couldn't test that one out myself because I've used the device less then 1h
I think Apple will not announce the new MB and MBP at WWDC. The noise regarding the defective keyboards has intensified significantly over the last two months with the class-action lawsuits and online petitions, In a way Apple cannot afford to release a new version of MBP with a defective keyboard when being fully aware of the issue, as they risk a large scale recall or even legal repercussions, not to mention the PR hit.
In my opinion, Apple will not release another MPB until the keybard is redesigned and fully reliable.
In my opinion, Apple will not release another MPB until the keybard is redesigned and fully reliable.