What if you were completely honest with the cops?

[rhett7660]

Agreed.

I worked for a sheriffs department a long time ago in Florida. Here is some advice from someone who has been on the other side.

1. Pull far enough off of the road.
2. Turn off the car, and stay in it unless instructed otherwise.
3. Roll down your window.
4. Keep your hands on the steering wheel.
5. Answer the questions. Don't try and BS your way out of it. They have heard all of the excuses a million times.
6. Be polite and respectful. A Lieutenant I worked with once told me, "I've had a lot more people talk their way INTO a ticket than OUT of one.

Remember that cops have a lot of discretion when it comes to writing tickets. What one would write a ticket for, another would let go with a warning.

Number six is spot on. I can't tell you how many times this has happened.

 

[Ttownbeast]

True I know it is possible but the numbers the guy threw up had to much of the smell of BS for me to buy the 12 grand one.

70-90 grand for cops which is way to high.
Then 14k a year for teachers which is less than 1/2 the very low end of the start salary scale.

I once decided to go into the teaching field as a "calling" prime I know the numbers well that was the average starting salary in 2002 during my studies--those with degrees in the field were honest with me and let me know the money was better teaching students to become teachers(they were still idealistic about the philosophy, but honest about the practice) teachers who remain live a very impoverished life.

I decided myself to avoid that garbage and get back into my art. Unfortunately the life of an artist isn't very good either, but being an artist opens up a little time to study anything and everything that is a potential subject, including research on political and social trends--these things are great for artistic inspiration when focused properly.

Perhaps you are correct that I am half off concerning the current pay scale but considering the overall data given the subject hasn't shifted too much beyond the main problem since I still manage to live within my comfort zone at 12 grand a year--so who are the fools?

 

[rhsgolfer33]

Yah, 70 to 90 grand a year is underpaid if they are underpaid they don't manage their money very well.

Yeah, alright. The median starting pay for a patrol office, according to payscale.com is about $30,000-$44,000. After about 20 years of service the median patrol officer might make it close to $90,000. Certainly, you can make a higher salary with a great position; I know numerous people in the LA Sheriffs Department who make pretty good money, but your assertion that many police offers seem to make $70k-$90k is as off base as your assertion that the average teacher makes $14k.

The average teacher makes 14 grand a year to start and manages to buy supplies for their students outside of grant writing and manages to live in basic comfort

Yeah, that number is pure ********. According to Payscale.com the average starting teachers salary is $34,189. Quite a sizeable difference between that and your claim of $14,000; care to cite a source? Lets not even get into teachers benefits, which happen to be some of the best available.

When you factor EVERYTHING in cops have a gravy job.

Yeah, so gravy. Dealing with criminals is absolutely wonderful. Working in the county jail for a quite a few years before you actually get in a patrol car is also great (welcome to your first 3-5 years as a LA County Sheriff), little stress involved when working there.

Perhaps you are correct that I am half off concerning the current pay scale but considering the overall data given the subject hasn't shifted too much beyond the main problem since I still manage to live within my comfort zone at 12 grand a year--so who are the fools?

Sorry, but you're wrong again. The lowest teaching starting salary average in the country in 2002-2003 was $23,052 in Montana. The average overall teachers salary in 2002-2003 was $45,930. How about even one non-anecdotal source to back up your assertions?

 

[Ttownbeast]

Yeah, alright. The median starting pay for a patrol office, according to payscale.com is about $30,000-$44,000. After about 20 years of service the median patrol officer might make it close to $90,000. Certainly, you can make a higher salary with a great position; I know numerous people in the LA Sheriffs Department who make pretty good money, but your assertion that many police offers seem to make $70k-$90k is as off base as your assertion that the average teacher makes $14k.



Yeah, that number is pure ********. According to Payscale.com the average starting teachers salary is $34,189. Quite a sizeable difference between that and your claim of $14,000; care to cite a source? Lets not even get into teachers benefits, which happen to be some of the best available.



Yeah, so gravy. Dealing with criminals is absolutely wonderful. Working in the county jail for a quite a few years before you actually get in a patrol car is also great (welcome to your first 3-5 years as a LA County Sheriff), little stress involved when working there.



Sorry, but you're wrong again. The lowest teaching starting salary average in the country in 2002-2003 was $23,052 in Montana. The average overall teachers salary in 2002-2003 was $45,930. How about even one non-anecdotal source to back up your assertions?

I bothered to cite all sources not just one I don't just pick and choose to make my argument read better look through everything not just what agrees with your personal bias that requires more than minutes of digging based on disagreeing with me. I expect you to look into all sides possibly taking months of gathering data before forming a reaction. if anything comes of this conversation I at least expect you dumb bastards to start thinking for yourselves by beginning to gather more data even if you don't like what the data suggests

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I bothered to cite all sources not just one I don't just pick and choose to make my argument read better look through everything not just what agrees with your personal bias that requires more than minutes of digging based on disagreeing with me. I expect you to look into all sides possibly taking months of gathering data before forming a reaction. if anything comes of this conversation I at least expect you dumb bastards to start thinking for yourselves by beginning to gather more data even if you don't like what the data suggests

I would like to point out that the so call digging he did took less that one minute to find by typing it into google. I found the same stuff when I call you on you bs. He just provide the links that prove you are talking out of you ass.

 

[Henri Gaudier]

Les Flic are the enemy of the people. It is only a by product that they effectively deter selfish anarchy and hinder crazies from raping/stealing/ beating up etc. They are there to preserve the status quo. Increasingly too they are becoming more politically motivated with a mandate to discourage legal protest by beatings, intimidation, false arrest, pepper spraying, "marking" your matriculation plate on your car for automatic readers to alert other cops to give you a hard time etc. Everywhere you go there's CCTV with face / gate recognition, some with microphones and speakers. FFS these people are building a police state and you want to make 'em your pal. They're not. Being in authority changes your psychology and mind set and not in a good way. I've known some cops, seen them socially (indirectly through friends) and they change and get nasty and negative about people. Everyone is scum and they're going to get them and make life hard for them. But that turns out to be everyone in time. I've been on the end of their batons too. So much so I'm psychologically damaged. I left a big city and now live in the countryside with my cats. Can't stand crowds or cops. Best thing you can do is stay away from them.

 

[0098386]

I've known some cops, seen them socially (indirectly through friends) and they change and get nasty and negative about people.

Really? I have old school buddies and relatives who have been working for the police for years and haven't changed. The pay is quite good and the hours are crazy, but that's about it. They're still honest, salt of the earth type people.

 

[rhsgolfer33]

I bothered to cite all sources not just one I don't just pick and choose to make my argument read better look through everything not just what agrees with your personal bias that requires more than minutes of digging based on disagreeing with me. I expect you to look into all sides possibly taking months of gathering data before forming a reaction. if anything comes of this conversation I at least expect you dumb bastards to start thinking for yourselves by beginning to gather more data even if you don't like what the data suggests

Yeah, alright, you didn't cite one source. You said somebody told you teachers make $14k when you were going through school. Sorry, but that doesn't qualify as citing a source. I looked for approximately 3 minutes to find my sources, you could at least do the same. This is the real world, we don't just make up numbers or pass something of we heard for truth, of all people, someone who was possibly going to be a teacher should know this. I really have no bias, I'm not going to be a teacher or police officer, I know quite a few people in both profession; my bias is against people passing BS off as fact. How about giving me one, non-anecdotal source (ie not something you heard or experienced) that says teachers make $14k on average?

Providing difference sources doesn't mean I'm picking and choosing, it means one source didn't have numbers for 2002-2003. When looking for information, amazingly, you sometimes have to use difference sources for different info. All of this info, it was in the first page of a Google search, pretty clear to me that the average teacher salary was not $14k in 2002 and is certainly nowhere near that now.

 

[StruckANerve]

I get out of tickets all the time. Just use yes sir, no sir and admit right away that you understand that you were in violation of the law and and you will correct your mistake right away. I have been pulled over probably 20-30 times and have less than 5 tickets on my record.

 

[Crawn2003]

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No. Just no.



Doesn't work. Tried it. Still got $300 fine plus traffic school. (failure to yield to the right for an emergency vehicle. Even though the cop DIDN'T have his lights on.)



what really works is telling they're pigs and disposable. Now that's fun.

(sorry, no love lost between police and myself.)

 

[partyBoy]

The critical part of this subforum is discussion. If that's the best you can do, get a note from your parents and head to PRSI, where mindless blathering is welcomed.

Your right, calling cops pigs is an insult to pigs.

 

[Keebler]

A nice rack can sometimes get you off. Just saying.

or if someone's wearing the tight workout pants like in your profile pic, just drop your keys if you're outside of the vehicle and bend over a bit lol

to the OP, be honest, don't suck up however. I keep my hands on the steering wheel, use yes and no; when they ask for license and registration - ask their permission to reach for it wherever it may be, before taking your hands off the steering wheel.

The reason why I do this isn't necessarily to avoid a full ticket, but more because they deal with idiots and the scum of society - i find it's easier on them if you're polite and respectful. I know 4 cops from different areas of Canada and they all say the same thing - just a little bit of respect goes a long way.

 

[rhett7660]

Yeah, alright. The median starting pay for a patrol office, according to payscale.com is about $30,000-$44,000. After about 20 years of service the median patrol officer might make it close to $90,000. Certainly, you can make a higher salary with a great position; I know numerous people in the LA Sheriffs Department who make pretty good money, but your assertion that many police offers seem to make $70k-$90k is as off base as your assertion that the average teacher makes $14k.



Yeah, that number is pure ********. According to Payscale.com the average starting teachers salary is $34,189. Quite a sizeable difference between that and your claim of $14,000; care to cite a source? Lets not even get into teachers benefits, which happen to be some of the best available.



Yeah, so gravy. Dealing with criminals is absolutely wonderful. Working in the county jail for a quite a few years before you actually get in a patrol car is also great (welcome to your first 3-8 years as a LA County Sheriff), little stress involved when working there.



Sorry, but you're wrong again. The lowest teaching starting salary average in the country in 2002-2003 was $23,052 in Montana. The average overall teachers salary in 2002-2003 was $45,930. How about even one non-anecdotal source to back up your assertions?

Changed that for yeah.... Of course this is happening now and it also depends on which station you put in for.