What is Apple waiting for?

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by davewolfs, Dec 15, 2007.

  1. davewolfs macrumors regular

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    Seriously,

    Why has it taken so long to update the mac pro? At least offer some video card upgrades. It makes me wonder why the Mac Pro's even offer PCI slots since you can't put anything in them.

    They might as well start offering integrated motherboard solutions with high speed CPU's. The current line up is complete overpriced.

    I've been waiting a LONG time for an update and frankly I am almost ready to buy a PC right now.
     
  2. Digital Skunk macrumors 604

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    Search the forums. This topic has been talked about to death. We are all waiting for MacWorld Sanfransisco.

    Be patient.
     
  3. ob81 macrumors 65816

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    I think the whole intel thing with the graphics cards and the RAM standards is too much for Apple. They are used to slow Power PC updates with their pro line. Just doesn't cut it these days. They are not ready, or the consumer isn't ready to pay full price for year and a half old gear.
    You decide.
     
  4. Topper macrumors 65816

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    One rumor has it that the new Mac Pro will be launched at MWSF because Apple is in the process of reworking Leopard to work with the instructions of Penryn and especially with SSE4 instructions.
    It is for that reason that Mac OS X 10.5.2 will be revised and released at MWSF also.

    Apple has never done it that way and I doubt they ever will.
    ATI has offered separate video cards for Mac users but not Apple.

    The next generation Mac Pro won't be any cheaper.
     
  5. flyinmac macrumors 68030

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    Obviously, you haven't figured it out yet. Apple is specifically waiting for you to buy the current Mac Pro. Then, immediately, they will release the new model the very next day (or, if they are being really nice, they'll release the new one 15 days later - which will prevent you from returning it through the 14-day return period).

    If you want the new model to be released, then hurry up and buy the current one now :cool:
     
  6. iW00t macrumors 68040

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    Why do we need to be patient?

    Why does a new computer revision need a glitsy introduction?

    Get a life people, it is just a computer. It does not need a lot of worshipping and fanfare to be "welcomed" into the marketplace. Just release it dude.

    Lest you say cheesy things about how good things come to those who wait, and how I am being impatient... well the Mac Pro has not been updated since it was released TWO YEARS ago. Talk about patience.

    Even cars get updated way more often.
     
  7. FF_productions macrumors 68030

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    Very upsetting with what Apple has done with the Mac Pro.

    To my own disappointment today I realized that my ****** video card can not hook up to a TV.


    What the hell? A Mac Mini, PowerBook G4 and every other damn Mac can hook up to a TV but this crappy 7300 GT card is not compatible????

    Other than that, I'm fine with the Mac Pro, lots of speed in this beast.

    Sucks for the people waiting, we all know Apple needs to "glorify" each introduction because they're lame.
     
  8. flyinmac macrumors 68030

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    Yes, get a life... It is just a computer.

    Yes, iWoot, I'm including you in there.

    It will come out when it comes out. I finally got tired of waiting, and got mine around late September / early October with the knowledge that everyone was speculating a new one by November at the latest.

    The thing is, I got tired of waiting to become productive. I had projects piling-up, and finally got tired of piling them up.

    Fortunately, for me, I decided to finally just get it and be done with it. And, now all my projects are finally completed. And, it only took me a couple of weeks to get a huge years worth of work completed on the Mac Pro.

    So, while everyone else has been busy whining and waiting, I got my work done and have been taking it easy :D

    Also, check your facts. Last I heard, the difference between August 2006 and December 2007 didn't add-up to two years.
     
  9. quagmire macrumors 603

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    Why do new cars need to be introduced at auto shows? It is just a car. And cars only get updated once a year with maybe a mid model year refresh.
     
  10. teleromeo macrumors 65816

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    for me it doesn't suck, I'm just waiting.
    I will be buying this machine some time after the introduction. Maybe the day after the introduction, maybe some weeks or months later. I'm feeling the need for it but I'm patient and my powerbook is still fine.
    The fact that apple hasn't updated for such a long time makes me think that something quite stunning is comming.
     
  11. flyinmac macrumors 68030

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    Yeah, and what if Apple does what the auto industry does. They finally release the new model you've been asking for, and you discover that it is now smaller, less powerful, and does less. I want my full-size rear-wheel drive family cars that get 25 miles-per-gallon back (I'm tired of the more expensive cars that are half the size, haul fewer people, are less comfortable, get 20 MPG or less in town). Although, yes a sub-compact will get 35 MPG now, but what happened to the 60 MPG that they used to get in the 1980's?
     
  12. Digital Skunk macrumors 604

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    It hasn't been updated in a year and a half, and many of us are getting by just fine with our slow G5 Towers, so why not wait and get the most out of your money?

    I don't control Apple and their fanfare for releasing a new machine. Or auto shows, or camera shows or anything of that nature. But you can't flame Apple for doing what it has been doing for decades and what every other company has been doing for years.

    Yes it's just a computer, so why is everyone getting so damn carried away. Either wait for a new one, or buy it, or buy a PC which no one will flame you for. Do what Flyinmac did and get work done with the tool of your choice.


    I swear the Mods need to sticky this Mac Pro thing or just delete all the useless threads about whining about Apple this and Mac Pro that.
     
  13. QuarterSwede macrumors G3

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    Amen to that. The 8-core Mac Pro is still flipping fast and the case is brilliantly designed. Seriously, what do you people want to add to it?
     
  14. flyinmac macrumors 68030

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    You're close. But, what they really need to do is split the forum.

    We'll keep the current forum as a strict discussion about using the various Power / Pro machines and doing something productive.

    Then, open a second forum called Mac Pro flamers and whiners.

    That should fix the problem.
     
  15. Digital Skunk macrumors 604

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    Shoot!

    We can take it one step further and make a new forum called "Apple Flamers and Whiners" and bunch all of the *******s in there. Not that talking bad about Apple is wrong, just that saying the same things over and over again are annoying, especially when each succeeding thread get more pathetic each time.

    - headless Mac/iMac sucks MacPro too expensive
    - Mac Pro too outdated
    - Apple needs to listen to me and not the experienced business owners
    - Why isn't Apple like Microsoft
    - Why isn't Mac OS X like XP
    - I just want to whine and rant about things I don't like and try to justify them

    All of them can be bunched into that forum.

    OR

    Members can SEARCH THE FORUMS!
     
  16. wentwj macrumors regular

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    Man, people on both sides need to calm down on this issue.

    If you purchased a Mac Pro, good for you, you have a fine machine with enough horsepower to do most anything you want to. No need to come on here flaming people who are waiting because they are.

    If you are waiting, no need to come on here and flame everyone that recently purchased for wasting their money.

    As far as apple updating it, while I agree that the machine needs an update and is due for one, I'm not entirely sure it's all that overpriced. Back a few months ago, when everyone was then talking about overpriced it was, I went and tried to build a similar machine out of components from new egg or mwave and ended up with a computer about the same, or more expensive (if including things like a good case, and not getting the absolute bottom of the barrel ram and such).

    With the recent Intel price drop I'm sure thats no longer the case, so yes, the Mac Pro is probably finally over-priced. But the new Penryn computers JUST started shipping from what I understand, with only a select few machines going out with them. I don't expect Apple to announce the new machines until the day they can start shipping them in mass quantities. I'm not entirely convinced it'll be at MWSF but it'll probably be around that time.

    As others have mentioned the Pro model may not be a flagship for their profits, but it's fairly important for their image. If businesses that use pro's are forced to switch to competing companies because of the delay, apple will lose a LOT of credit in the pro world. Considering that the Penryn computers from competitors JUST started shipping, and not en-mass, I think apple has a month or two yet before they start to really start losing their pro market.
     
  17. Topper macrumors 65816

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    Powerful Harpertown processors.
    Much more powerful video cards than the cruddy ones the current Mac Pro has.
    Seriously!
     
  18. QuarterSwede macrumors G3

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    I'll give you the video cards (but did you really think Apple was going to change?) but the processor. Good grief, what do you need something MORE powerful for!?
     
  19. flyinmac macrumors 68030

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    But, you forget one thing...

    All you people are holding-out waiting for a new machine. What if you finally get your new machine, and find that Apple has decided that the Core2Duo desktop series is to power the new Mac Pro's?

    After-all, before they announced the Xeon's, everyone expected Core2Duo's in everything (mobile in the iMac and Desktop in the Pro).

    Who knows, maybe all of you waiters are waiting for Penryn Desktop-class Core2Duo's instead of Penryn Xeon's.

    They probably find it limiting that the current Mac Pro can only flash a billion porn images at one time. They need a 16-core machine to drive 10 displays with 10 trillion porn images flashing past their eyes every half-second.
     
  20. irishgrizzly macrumors 65816

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    Really? I can't see people turning to windows after years of mac use and a library of mac software, just for the sake of a 2 month wait.
     
  21. flyinmac macrumors 68030

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    Oh they'll switch alright. Being able to brag about having the highest spec machine available means a lot more than whether or not you like the machine or it's operating system. Specs are easier to brag about than which OS someone uses.
     
  22. Topper macrumors 65816

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    I didn't forget anything.
    The Mac Pro is a workstation computer.
    I can absolutely guarantee you that the next Mac Pro will have Harpertown processors.
    There is no such thing as a Penryn Core 2 Duo processor.

    Most applications are more cpu intensive than they are gpu intensive.
    I need the powerful processors to cut down on the time of my HD video editing.
     
  23. QuarterSwede macrumors G3

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    Ah yes, HD video. Good point.
     
  24. flyinmac macrumors 68030

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    You could be correct as to the naming. But, then I would ask you what Intel will call the Penryn chips that end-up in the MacBook Pro's?

    Intel has stated that Penryn will be available as dual and quad core. And, that they intend to use the "Core" designator for quite a while to come.

    So, it would seem as though the move to Penryn would not automatically end the Core2Duo and Core2Quad product lines.

    Perhaps I've missed it, but I don't recall a new name being announced. Penryn has been described as the new technology in design elements / production techniques. Xeon and Core should remain as the product names.
     
  25. Blogger macrumors 6502

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    There are four things dictating when Apple releases a new version of the Mac Pro.

    1/ Availability of parts. Check, except perhaps the HDMI graphics cards to go with the accompanying new Cinema displays, and volume (cheaper) production of faster FB memory. This is a positive thing. We will get better parts.

    2/ Quality control. As much as we'd like a new product right NOW, Apple has to at least cover themselves for reliability levels that they are comfortable with. This is a positive thing, the longer you wait, the better it will be.

    3/ They have to set up a production system that is relatively free of defects (Blu-tooth antenna mis-wiring and loctite in inappropriate places anyone?)

    4/ They will wait until they are comfortable that they have timed it right for the best corporate financial gain. Note that this does not just cover latent Mac Pro buyers, but keeping the entire corporate profitability flourishing.

    It will happen, and it will be better for the wait. I actually respect Apple more for not jumping on the Dell "I sold it first" band wagon, and consequently (and hopefully) doing it right.

    We shall see...
     

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