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Huh

...except that all indications are that the "table" will not be running OS X.

I haven't seen ONE indication that this thing will not run OS X. Rumors are all over the place but it's either going to be the Mac, iPhone, or a variant of one of these OSes. It's ALL OS X.

But please, enlighten us on what "indications" you are getting...
 
Interesting, see the comments below.

Based on what I've heard on TWiT Network's This WEEK in Tech and MacBreak Weekly shows, here's my three-day "wild guess" on what we'll see on January 26, 2010:
Learned something new today because I've never heard of those resources.
1) We will have not one, but TWO different tablet computers, one with a 7" screen and one with a 10.1" screen. Both screens will be LED backlit (for now) to keep power consumption reasonably low.
Well there better be two because I see the 10" screen as being to big. At least for the way I currently imagine using it.

The 7" device would be even better if it folded in half. I know the industry is working on screen technology to do that but I'm not sure if it is ready for prime time. What I really want is a pocketable device that has a bigger screen than my iPhone. It might even work as a cell phone too but that is big for a cell phone.
2) The 7" version will offer 64 GB of flash memory, while the 10.1" version will offer 128 GB of flash memory. Mind you, if the next-generation flash memory is available by the time the tablet computers reach retailers in April 2010, we could get 128 GB for the 7" version and 256 GB or the 10" version.
Yep! Those are more or less the sizes I'd expect in the base models. Each of the devices should come in a fat version though.
3) The touchscreen could sport some soft of haptic touch feel--though the technology used is still unknown.
This is the most interesting part of Apples patents. That is how do you deform a glass display. To that I'd answer you don't and instead use a softer display that might be had from something like an OLED. That solves the material issue there then you have to come up with a reliable mechanism to deform that display a few thousands of an inch.
4) It will use improved versions of the CortexA8 ARM CPU and PowerVR GPU, using PA Semi technology that Apple owns because Apple bought out PA Semi. These improvements will speed up performance and allow for flawless playback of HD video downloaded through iTunes (720p plus full interactive LP liner notes).
Yes but how will those improvements be made that is the question ad further how many CPU and GPU cores are we going to get? As to the extensions to the A8 I could see Apple simply deleting the ARM supplied vector hardware and reverting back to the Alt-Vec technology of the past (with modern day enhancements). Or they could go one step further and make those vector units independent execution engines as some ARM producers are doing.
5) It will run a new, "intermediate" MacOS X version that is more functional than the iPhone OS but less functional than MacOS X 10.6.2 found on real Mac computers. This new MacOS X variant allows for true multitasking and cut-and-paste, and will use an interface designed specifically for touchscreen functionality.
I don't like your terminology here at all. At the core IPhone OS and Mac OS are the same thing, this is something people continually mis. The difference is the IPhone exposes a different interface kit and has tighter control over the execution of user apps.

I fully expect that the tablet will use an enhanced version of the frameworks we currently see in the IPhone. How much of that gets back ported into IPhone OS 4.0 I don't know. The obvious problem is the lack of space on the IPhone, both in the physical sense and the computer sense. RAM is a very limited commodity on the current devices as is screen real estate.
6) Will include 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi wireless network connectivity as standard, with optional GSM 3G HSDPA/HSUPA / CDMA 3G EVDO multi-standard cellular network connectivity (probably using a Broadcom chipset).
Err this point really bothers me! Personally I'd want some sort of 3G or 4G capability but they will severely limit adoption by corporations if the device does not come without that support. So models without a cellular requirement are really needed.

Further even though I want that cellular connections I don't want to be tied to a network of any kind for an extended length of time. If the tablet comes with a regressive contract then no thank you. Even more so if the thing is locked to a carrier. I want to be able to swap sim chips based on the best connection available where ever I'm currently located. That is if I drop in to Ireland for a few weeks I want to be able to easily connect to the local carrier, if the next location is Brazil or China I like wise want to get online with the best available local service.
7) External connectors will include iPod dock connector (for charging and syncing through USB 2.0 port) and Mini DisplayPort connector (with optional Mini DisplayPort to HDMI 1.3) adapter.
Why in the hell would anybody want a Mini DisplayPort connector on this device. I'm not mad at you as I've seen this brought up on numerous forums around the net and I don't get it. These are very personal devices with a use case that doesn't make sense when combined with a larger monitor.

Personally I'd rather see a USB port or two (standard connector), and a wired ethernet port for when all else fails. Lastly it would be nice to have a hardware port for adding accessories to the device such as barcode scanners, temperature input devices and other hardware accessories. Of course knowing Apple they likely don't give a rats ass about integrating accessory hardware but it would make for a very widely adopted platform in business. In any event I'm convinced that a hardware port would actually find more use than a DisplayPort connection.
Pricing will be US$549 for 7" version, US$749 for 10.1" version.

Nope; way to high. First this is an ARM based device likely with a SoC solution which means rather small and low cost motherboards. Second Apple has said they don't know how to make a computer of under $500 dollars which kinda is like telling the world they have a target price. That would mean at least one of these units would come in under the $500 dollar mark. Probably by a significant amount like maybe $400 for the 7" model with the 10" device hitting the $500 dollar mark.

I look at it this way they are targeting the netbook crowd and the I need to get my E-Mail crowd with this device. That means being price competitive because the whole reason for the netbooks success is price and little else. In any event look at the price of the iPod Touches which in many ways is exactly what these devices will be hardware wise. Apple makes a good penny on these, especially as Flash prices have fallen. So what apple does in the end is pay a little more for a higher performance and higher integration SoC, puts it in a tablet and lowers the prices on the current Touch devices to keep margins level.


Dave
 
Itunes has music. movies, audiobooks, podcasts, TV shows and for anybody who has been to iTune U lately and incredible selection of current, free, range of information

"iTunes U is a part of the iTunes Store featuring free lectures, language lessons, audiobooks, and more, that you can enjoy on your iPod, iPhone, Mac or PC. Explore over 200,000 educational audio and video files from top universities, museums and public media organizations from around the world. With iTunes U, there's no end to what or where you can learn."

in fact itunes has everything except books, newspapers, periodicals...

too bad "iportal" is taken for that is what apple/itunes is becoming and what I think this new islate will be. Smartphones, iphone include is great but too small, desktop computers imacs included are overkill for accessing information if that is all you are doing. Chuck the keyboard, enlarge the screen and make it the input device (think magic mouse)and you have another winner.
 
Do you not understand what he is saying?

I sense a bad end coming soon.

The OS'es are basically the same thing underneath the user interface frameworks. They can build on the IPhone frameworks any way they want but still use the core Touch interface. THE IMPORTANT THING TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT APPS ARE NOT THE OPERATING SYSTEM. They are nothing more than programs the OS loads and executes.

Dave
 
please give it phone service too!! not just data plan. even just as an option for some people who want that. i like whole lot of people carry a bag everywhere! give the option to have it be our mobile phone too. bluetooth headset and boom, done!!

want this very much. wish list...
front and back camera, 5mp on back for pictures and video, 2mp or 3mp on front for video chat.
a version of ilife and iwork for it. you don't need final cut pro or office, just something to do work on. if other companies figure out a way to run their apps great!
mac and windows compatible. i imagine it will run like and iphone so it won't be mac only?? i'm a mac guy but better sales means more 3rd party support!
still have compass, gps, accelerometer!
a lot of storage! wish list 124gb but at least 64gb.
new multitouch features.
better quality speakers and still have an internal microphone.
dualcore mobile processor.
no plastic back! something metal! so it can hold up to a drop or 2!! thicker glass for same reason!
a stylus, built in slot and hand writing recognition.
some type or connection to hook into HDTV,
hmmmm, ok i guess that's it. i'm sure i can think of more but that's it for now.
 
But will it have a real keyboard or a touchscreen, or both? I could see a iMac form factor with the keyboard on the chin.

Really? Imagine if you glued a keyboard to an iMac chin for a moment. Now type something of substance (not a tweet). Are you propping up the imac screen so it is easy to see without significantly bending your neck way over (like an iMac on it's arm)? If so, try to type on that keyboard with it facing you vertically like that screen.

Now lay the screen down flat on a surface (which seems more likely with this Tablet). Now the keyboard is in a more natural position, but the screen is at about 90 degrees relative to your body, and way down there by your hands. It will be much easier to type that paper or report this way, but you are going to have a pretty stiff neck if it takes you very long to do so.

If there is going to be a real keyboard, I'm thinking it is probably a wireless, optional (for additional cost) accessory. But if so, now you are carrying around the rough equivalent of a netbook/small laptop in 2 separate pieces (cumulatively not so thin anymore).

And if the Tablet is about $799, and the keyboard adds another $50-100, why wouldn't a person want a Macbook to do all this and more?
 
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Nope; way to high. First this is an ARM based device likely with a SoC solution which means rather small and low cost motherboards. Second Apple has said they don't know how to make a computer of under $500 dollars which kinda is like telling the world they have a target price. That would mean at least one of these units would come in under the $500 dollar mark. Probably by a significant amount like maybe $400 for the 7" model with the 10" device hitting the $500 dollar mark.

I look at it this way they are targeting the netbook crowd and the I need to get my E-Mail crowd with this device. That means being price competitive because the whole reason for the netbooks success is price and little else. In any event look at the price of the iPod Touches which in many ways is exactly what these devices will be hardware wise. Apple makes a good penny on these, especially as Flash prices have fallen. So what apple does in the end is pay a little more for a higher performance and higher integration SoC, puts it in a tablet and lowers the prices on the current Touch devices to keep margins level.

The pricing is what is getting me at the moment.

I'm poised to buy myself a bigger Touch, and the kids almost have enough to buy themselves one to share. I'm hesitant to buy mine next week because.... well, i expect a price drop for the reasons you explained.

The main problem is, i NEED a second Touch NOW, and don't have extra money to make an interim purchase.

So i'll keep pondering it - and wonder if my new debit card showed up today!
 
It's not lack of imagination, it's being sensible, you have got to be some serious thick stupid idiot to hail a device that can't even edit a word doc

I am not hailing anything. Well I for myself I would not need the facility to edit a word document. Because that is not the purpose of this device anyway. Think of it more as a consumer product to consume content rather than a product where you produce or edit content.

The fact that you're posting here says you know no more than we do.
That is your assumption but then again, assumption is the mother of all f***ups. So I would not count on that.
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And I know you don't know. No one on this forum who posts on this subject knows. Otherwise, they'd be breaking the NDA and Apple would find out and you'd be out of a job.

Well if you think so, then keep believing what you think you know. I suggest let's wait until Jan. 26, then we shall know more...
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please give it phone service too!! not just data plan. even just as an option for some people who want that. i like whole lot of people carry a bag everywhere! give the option to have it be our mobile phone too. bluetooth headset and boom, done!!

want this very much. wish list...
front and back camera, 5mp on back for pictures and video, 2mp or 3mp on front for video chat.
a version of ilife and iwork for it. you don't need final cut pro or office, just something to do work on. if other companies figure out a way to run their apps great!
mac and windows compatible. i imagine it will run like and iphone so it won't be mac only?? i'm a mac guy but better sales means more 3rd party support!
still have compass, gps, accelerometer!
a lot of storage! wish list 124gb but at least 64gb.
new multitouch features.
better quality speakers and still have an internal microphone.
dualcore mobile processor.
no plastic back! something metal! so it can hold up to a drop or 2!! thicker glass for same reason!
a stylus, built in slot and hand writing recognition.
some type or connection to hook into HDTV,
hmmmm, ok i guess that's it. i'm sure i can think of more but that's it for now.

What's the most you want to pay for that device?
 
The OS'es are basically the same thing underneath the user interface frameworks. They can build on the IPhone frameworks any way they want but still use the core Touch interface. THE IMPORTANT THING TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT APPS ARE NOT THE OPERATING SYSTEM. They are nothing more than programs the OS loads and executes.

Dave
I'm thinking he is pondering what is "mobile OSX" is all we end up with? Bye Bye "real" OSX?

f there is going to be a real keyboard, I'm thinking it is probably a wireless, optional (for additional cost) accessory. But if so, now you are carrying around the rough equivalent of a netbook/small laptop in 2 separate pieces.

And if the Tablet is about $799, and the keyboard adds another $50-100, why wouldn't a person want a Macbook to do all this and more?
I wouldn't see needing a keyboard 100% of the time.

And for my needs, for the $850-899 range - I don't want it over the Macbook. I get edu pricing on that, so that is what i'd get instead, sticking with a Touch for eBooks and such.
 
Livescribe type stylus???

Has anyone considered the possibility of a Livescribe type stylus? That would make an excellent platform for taking class/meeting notes. Imagine being able to just an iSlate to class, on it you could have your text book, and take written/drawn notes right in line with your text, while recording the teacher/professor/presenter, all in real time.

Tapping away at keys is very distracting, both to you, and your class mates/associates. Its very hard to actually comprehend what a teacher/presenter is saying while focused on pecking away at keys, and you have no ability to add diagrams, charts, or visuals while pecking away on a laptop.

While I have not used it, I like the concept of livescribe, thought not the idea of having to continually buy special paper from them. I think a hybrid of a tablet and scribe however could have some real possibilities. Imagine the possibilities for an architect, engineer, artist...especially if there is a camera built in. Use the tablet to photograph a landscape, building, machine, or other device, then take notes, or draw sketches right on the picture, while you are standing there. no need to have separate photos and notes, then have to recombine them later, after you may have forgotten key details. I can see a ton of potential for this thing.

One other thing I would like to see, and it may come from an aftermarket seller, is a sliding jacket similar to what Ti-86 scientific calculators came with when I was in school. (ie. Slide it out, flip it over, slide it back in) A screen that size would seem vulnerable to damage without some sort of hard cover.

Just my 2 cents worth...
 
I wouldn't see needing a keyboard 100% of the time.

Right, but the catch is if you need a keyboard almost any percentage of the time, you are carrying around a keyboard accessory too.

And for my needs, for the $850-899 range - I don't want it over the Macbook. I get edu pricing on that, so that is what i'd get instead, sticking with a Touch for eBooks and such.

Right again, which I think is a big issue for those dreaming up this wonder device. I read a lot of these posts like people are seeing this thing priced just a little more than an iPod Touch... and some posts dreaming that all this non-Apple content will now be super cheap when they are no longer printed on paper. Neither seems likely.
 
Right, but the catch is if you need a keyboard almost any percentage of the time, you are carrying around a keyboard accessory too.

For my household, for example.

Weekly trip to speech therapy - student doesn't need to take a keyboard for that hour doing odd work while waiting for her sister in therapy.

Trip to grandparents house for day/weekend - student probably would want the keyboard for bigger projects.

All related to what i see this product doing for us in our house.


Right again, which I think is a big issue for those dreaming up this wonder device. I read a lot of these posts like people are seeing this thing priced just a little more than an iPod Touch... and some posts dreaming that all this non-Apple content will now be super cheap when they are no longer printed on paper. Neither seems likely.
Some people aren't worried as much about the content being free - more about the "less to carry around". THAT is what i need, other than novels, i see most content being generated by me (as it currently is for the Touch & iBook being used now). But less to gather up and cart around and leave behind.

I do hope for a price point between the 64gb Touch and the edu Macbook.

time will tell.
 
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I still don't understand why everyone is so convinced this will be a tablet as we know it and are therefore arguing relentlessly about how they are going to use it. Truth be told we know NOTHING about this device and therefore bitching back and fourth about it is entirely pointless. Calling it iSlate as people everyone seems to have adopted as "the name" is also rather annoying, Apple patented it years ago and its almost certainly NOT going to be called that.

This is also my first post so please, turn down the flame thrower settings.
 
I still don't understand why everyone is so convinced this will be a tablet as we know it and are therefore arguing relentlessly about how they are going to use it. Truth be told we know NOTHING about this device and therefore bitching back and fourth about it is entirely pointless. Calling it iSlate as people everyone seems to have adopted as "the name" is also rather annoying, Apple patented it years ago and its almost certainly NOT going to be called that.

This is also my first post so please, turn down the flame thrower settings.

Because it's more fun that talking about the Pystar t-shirt?

Welcome to MR - and this kinda stuff is what makes a fun & frustrating read! LOL!!
 
I still don't understand why everyone is so convinced this will be a tablet as we know it and are therefore arguing relentlessly about how they are going to use it. Truth be told we know NOTHING about this device and therefore bitching back and fourth about it is entirely pointless. Calling it iSlate as people everyone seems to have adopted as "the name" is also rather annoying, Apple patented it years ago and its almost certainly NOT going to be called that.

This is also my first post so please, turn down the flame thrower settings.

This website is called MacRumors. Welcome. But after you look around a bit, you should notice that it is pretty much all speculation about what is coming, then gripes after it arrives and doesn't live up to all the imagination wonder within the community. Over and over. Rinse & repeat.

The fun(?) is watching the dream/hype get bigger and bigger- perhaps this tablet will be able to raise the dead, time travel, etc?- and then crash down when it comes out and is a upsized iPod Touch with a few interesting new features... for only $799 or so. Some will love it: "I'm the first buyer!". Some will hate it. And the rest will rebegin the hype buildup for version 2, or the new MacBook Pros, or the next iMac, and so on.

Sometimes the guesses are pretty great. But often we collectively design a product that can't be built in 2010 (or 2020), then are disappointed when a product comes out that "wows" lots of the people not in here hyping it up with us.
 
This website is called MacRumors. Welcome. But after you look around a bit, you should notice that it is pretty much all speculation about what is coming, then gripes after it arrives and doesn't live up to all the imagination wonder within the community. Over and over. Rinse & repeat.

The fun(?) is watching the dream/hype get bigger and bigger- perhaps this tablet will be able to raise the dead, time travel, etc?- and then crash down when it comes out and is a upsized iPod Touch with a few interesting new features... for only $799 or so. Some will love it: "I'm the first buyer!". Some will hate it. And the rest will rebegin the hype buildup for version 2, or the new MacBook Pros, or the next iMac, and so on.

Sometimes the guesses are pretty great. But often we collectively design a product that can't be built in 2010 (or 2020), then are disappointed when a product comes out that "wows" lots of the people not in here hyping it up with us.

Beats any soap opera, any day. :D:D:p:apple:
 
Thanks

This website is called MacRumors. Welcome. But after you look around a bit, you should notice that it is pretty much all speculation about what is coming, then gripes after it arrives and doesn't live up to all the imagination wonder within the community. Over and over. Rinse & repeat.

The fun(?) is watching the dream/hype get bigger and bigger- perhaps this tablet will be able to raise the dead, time travel, etc?- and then crash down when it comes out and is a upsized iPod Touch with a few interesting new features... for only $799 or so. Some will love it: "I'm the first buyer!". Some will hate it. And the rest will rebegin the hype buildup for version 2, or the new MacBook Pros, or the next iMac, and so on.

Sometimes the guesses are pretty great. But often we collectively design a product that can't be built in 2010 (or 2020), then are disappointed when a product comes out that "wows" lots of the people not in here hyping it up with us.

Thank you for the reasonable response, although I must confess I have been an (obsessive) follower of this site and many of the Apple Rumour sites for several years and for some reason that I'm sure few of us can explain genuinely enjoy repetitive, constantly forward looking cycle.

Do you really think this product will just be a larger iPod touch? I have heard it rumoured several times that we will be surprised by it (how we interact, pricepoint, etc.), and I vaguely remember someones twitter saying they met some drunk apple employee that scoffed at him calling it a "tablet". I know that is probably the WORSE source of information but still, rather intriguing I think.
 
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