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What is the Ultimate Role of the Apple Tablet?
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Judging by the level of discussions at that dumpster that is engadget, it could well be that he just realized there's a thing known as consensual sex. If that would entail him taking a break from engadget to engage in it for a change in his virginal life, and engadget taking an extended break from cyberspace, that would be a very, very happy outcome indeed. There are few web sites that have that level of rampant idiocy that engadget has.
Being drunk and letting things slip is possibly the best source of infomation.
I would bet anything that this is priced between the 64gb touch and the macbook. I am almost 100% sure of this.
Question...do you feel *really* stupid when you make a statement such as that? Are you implying that you can't edit a Word document with iPhone OS? LMAO Dude...do your homework *before* you make strong statements.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Beware of the I know someone who knows someone sources. Or you will be planning to time travel with the Tablet when it comes out.
Unfortunately, yes, I think this Tablet is going to be a bigger screen iPod Touch, probably with an option for cell phone service, and probably with a few features that capitalize on something designed to be bigger than the iPod Touch/iPhone (but I'm thinking things like it will run multiple apps at the same time, not make us walk on water). I think it will be much more about consuming content produced by others, rather than much of any kind of laptop replacement. But I hope Apple will surprise me.
One thing which I hope Apple has taken into consideration is that while speech recognition features and the use of BT earpieces may be wonderful for most people, there is a community of users out there who cannot take advantage of these: the hearing-impaired and the speech-impaired. Someone who cannot hear isn't going to need or be able to benefit from a device which depends heavily on the use of a BT earpiece, and someone who does not speak at all or who has difficulty in making himself/herself understood is sure not going to benefit from a device which emphasizes speech recognition technology! For many in the deaf and hearing-impaired community this whole computer revolution has been a genuine blessing, as communication is so much easier when one can type words and email them or text them to others, and can read the emailed/texted messages coming in from others.....
I really, really hope that Apple provides options in the way one interacts with this new device and does not limit it in some way (ie, only voice recognition).......
I really, really hope that Apple provides options in the way one interacts with this new device and does not limit it in some way (ie, only voice recognition).......
Well I guess the Nexus One:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/02/exclusive-google-nexus-one-hands-on-video-and-first-impressio/
For whatever it's worth, I'd be willing to bet my house that this device will *not* rely on speech recognition for input. Just doesn't make sense.
Same OS as iphone = no buy
Tied to built in 3g wireless that i have to pay for monthly = no buy
Over $750 = no buy
No fancy new functionality other than things the iphone can do = no buy
No revolutionary new way of solving a problem, increasing productivity, or completing some task = no buy
It HAS to do something new and do it in a way no one else as thought of, or as everyone else has said, it would just be a scaled up ipod touch and they would have released it years ago.
If it is just a bigger ipod touch and jobs is happy with it, that means he is a moron.
Tied to built in 3g wireless that i have to pay for monthly = no buy
Over $750 = no buy
No fancy new functionality other than things the iphone can do = no buy
No revolutionary new way of solving a problem, increasing productivity, or completing some task = no buy
It HAS to do something new and do it in a way no one else as thought of, or as everyone else has said, it would just be a scaled up ipod touch and they would have released it years ago.
If it is just a bigger ipod touch and jobs is happy with it, that means he is a moron.
What engadget harping on enthusiastically about a sub par "iphone killer"? Who would have thunk it...
Last time I made a mistake and read their review on the nexus one, they were going on about how missing the multi touch feature is inconsequential. Sure....you can just speech control the thing to larger fonts...
Btw, this has got to be one of the fugliest phones on the market, the shape the colours (ugh that deathly gold silver tinge), the icons, for crying out loud, I ve seen people painting with their feet draw better images....tshshshsh...what a dreary thing this is....
But of course google has plenty of $$$ to through around to websites to hype up their stuff.
And while I am at it, let me just say what a losing proposition speech control when applied indiscriminately is. For the simple reason that the vast majority of people feel like idiots talking to inanimate objects, and rightly so. If speech control had been so hot it would have been implemented on the desktops a long long time ago on a wide scale, not the marginal one it has right now. But on the contrary people feel even irritated, and rightly so again, for even speaking to an automated ticket service, preferring instead to just use their fingers to type the options they want.
I think that perhaps you are probably right on both counts, and this makes me sad. But I, like you hope Apple will surprise us and wouldn't be surprised if they do surprise us. (What a paradox!)
The veil of secrecy around this product is so, so tight my usual sources of information (being fairly high ranking Apple employees and a close relative of a certain Mr J. Ive) say there is nothing leaking out about this.
I for one hope this will be a bottom end MacBook replacement, along with the iMac bezel slot in/stand.
They are not leaking anything out because this is (contrary to what most pundits who don't get it say) really a computing revolution, and any inkling of what apple is doing will have other companies on their trail.
And let's face it they have spent a couple of decades to perfect this what with the newton and all. No one has gotten it sufficiently right so far in the tablets/readers arena, and apple are not willing to let any one get a hint of their prized r&d and go on an equal footing with them out of reverse engineering or plain old copying, they have been burned before with this.
It will all depend on getting it just right first time around and being there first with the most complete product in this category, which will hopefully become an other iphone success and three years later people will still be struggling to follow apple's coattails after they have well established themselves.
This is not just a talbet, this is a whole new computing device category that apple are establishing, in a few years time everyone would think how they ever got along without one, as with the ipods, as with the iphone. It will be in most executives leather brief case, in most kids back pack, in most mom's work and kitchen, it will be huge for sure.
I'm with you. Apple wants a few things with this iSlate device.
- The e-reader market (think much bigger than books, but full color magazines, etc...)
- The netbook market
- Keep device tied to the app store (Apple loves that 30% cut they are getting!)
Because of the above reasons I think it is going to be a fancier/larger version of the Touch. The problem with making it a full OSX install is that people will go nuts if they try to lock it to the app store, and locking it to the app store is something Apple wants to do above all else (and I'm sure they are sitting in Apple HQ trying to figure out how to lock all Macs to the app store w/o getting huge backlash). There is just too much money involved.
I think it'll end up being a media consuming device that is NOT an MB replacement (unless you only used your MB as a netbook). I'm thinking apps from the app store, music, movies, e-reader (books, newspaper subscriptions, *magazine* subscriptions, etc...).
If you believe Apple want to do these things with this device, wont it have to be more than a larger iPod touch? Mainly the netbook market as you said. I know many people who do work on their netbooks, albeit uncomfortably, yet this requires some kind of word processing and reasonably workable keyboard.
Realistically I can't see it storming the netbook market as just a large iPod touch.
A full os x is irrelevant and not suitable to such a device. Actually full os x is a misnomer, it should be desktop/notebook os x or os x snow leopard. Of course it will not be a notebook replacement, a notebook can only be replaced by another notebook. To say the slate will be replacing a notebook makes as much sense as to say the iphone will replace a notebook, they are just different devices sharing some functionality.
It's not the issue of money, apple isn't making that much money from the app store contrary to what you might think. It's an issue about control and security as witnessed by the numerous attacks on unlocked iphones. How many attacks have you read of in non unlocked iphones? Exactly, none. There was that proof of concept sms attack that was quickly patched. This is what an app store guarantees, control and security. It's also a ui paradigm in that you dont have to go out and buy boxes of software or hunt an app down on the browser to download, the ui is within it's own application sorting, categorizing, allowing reviews, proposing applications. This is a mobile device and should like the iphone be easy, intuitive, safe and secure to download content for it, instead of inputing credit card data over 3g everytime to any developer around the globe just to get an app.
It's all very well thought out.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Even though I'm a bit pessimistic on how world-changing this thing will be, I don't know if I would go that far. I think a bigger screen iPod Touch would certainly have appeal- even if ALL it was was a bigger screen. For example, I'm a tall guy, and in my big hands the iPhone and iPod Touch is just too small. I have the room to use one just like many use them now, even if that one was 1.5X or so bigger... maybe even 2X bigger.
And let's face it, if you own an iPod Touch for a lot of video watching, and game playing, it is an awfully small screen for those kinds of applications. So, if I was shopping for an iPod Touch- or maybe an iPhone- right about now, I'd probably stand by and see if a bigger thing called a Tablet would be a better fit. I am intrigued by the mid-sized rumor... the one with a screen around 7".
Also, if they build in cell phone capabilities, but leave it open to any cell phone carrier, they still honor their exclusive arrangement with AT&T, while opening up the iPhone experience to other carriers all over the world. That would be pretty hot from a marketing perspective.
If anything, I would love to see wimax built in, and a best-in-class VOIP application from Apple. That wimax piece is definitely possible, but who knows about the software.
As others have said, it's all part of the fun. Remember, we still have over three weeks to go until the announcement - plenty of time for the usual suspects to pipe up with tips from unnamed sources.
Personally, I'm hoping that this will be a device with similar impact to the iPhone and iPod. It's interesting to read what was being speculated just before the latter's release in 2001, which was covered in this thread. I suspect that despite Apple's tight lid, we'll pretty much know many of the details of the "tablet" before the 26th - there are just too many sources and pathways for leaks these days.
Problem here is that some of us expect a computer or at least a netbook. We sort of understand a tablet probably won't run Mac OS X, but there's a hole in Apple's line up where the netbook should go, unless we realise the Air is Apple's netbook, just not a netbook price.
A device for all other media is a very big deal, as noted earlier in this discussion, it will put Steve in the history books along side Gutenberg and the printing press. And that's a fitting legacy, if Scoble is correct and this is Steve's last project. I'd rather he stuck around for the iCar, so we knew we were getting a good one, but Apple could easily do better than any current car manufacturer. So, best wishes Steve & thanks for everything you've done.
What's wrong with having a better device for bathroomreading? Get rid of the magazine rack and make a toilet roll holder/tablet dock. Fact is, iPhone gets a lot of bathroom use and something more suited to all other media would change the game once again and create a market that no one thought existed, but now can't live without.
That said, I'd dearly love something more portable than a notebook or netbook that could do serious text editing, blog posting, etc. It wouldn't need to do audio/video editing, but slightly better than iPhone would be nice. But I'm not seriously expecting any of these, I just wish.
Seriously expect an excellent bathroom reader/viewer/surfer, and just hope Apple squeeze better than iPhone functionality in for good measure. Maybe that's what the fireball is saying, it's so hard to read his vague-quote punctuated drivel.
A device for all other media is a very big deal, as noted earlier in this discussion, it will put Steve in the history books along side Gutenberg and the printing press. And that's a fitting legacy, if Scoble is correct and this is Steve's last project. I'd rather he stuck around for the iCar, so we knew we were getting a good one, but Apple could easily do better than any current car manufacturer. So, best wishes Steve & thanks for everything you've done.
What's wrong with having a better device for bathroomreading? Get rid of the magazine rack and make a toilet roll holder/tablet dock. Fact is, iPhone gets a lot of bathroom use and something more suited to all other media would change the game once again and create a market that no one thought existed, but now can't live without.
That said, I'd dearly love something more portable than a notebook or netbook that could do serious text editing, blog posting, etc. It wouldn't need to do audio/video editing, but slightly better than iPhone would be nice. But I'm not seriously expecting any of these, I just wish.
Seriously expect an excellent bathroom reader/viewer/surfer, and just hope Apple squeeze better than iPhone functionality in for good measure. Maybe that's what the fireball is saying, it's so hard to read his vague-quote punctuated drivel.
Pen-like gesture
I'm sure I'm not the first one to think of this -- I'm new to the forum, so it's possible it's been discussed at length -- but I can't see Apple shipping this with a pen. It's too clunky, too easy to lose.
But I can see a pen-like gesture: you pinch your thumb and index finger together like you're holding a pen, and the tablet senses you want to do handwriting input.
Additionally, the tablet would sense when you wanted to type: both hands on tablet with fingers on "home row."
That could be elegant and Apple-like.
I'm sure I'm not the first one to think of this -- I'm new to the forum, so it's possible it's been discussed at length -- but I can't see Apple shipping this with a pen. It's too clunky, too easy to lose.
But I can see a pen-like gesture: you pinch your thumb and index finger together like you're holding a pen, and the tablet senses you want to do handwriting input.
Additionally, the tablet would sense when you wanted to type: both hands on tablet with fingers on "home row."
That could be elegant and Apple-like.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Really? You know it's been a few years since I was in college, but back then that's how we captured our notes- pens handwriting (on paper though). I haven't been on a campus in several years, but I would imagine that 2010 would have many (most?) students using laptops for their notetaking... it seems it would be so much easier then handwriting. I know that if I was zapped back into a 20-year old tonight and had to be in college on Monday, I would be carrying a laptop... not some kind of handwriting tool- paper or electronic. Would I be in the minority though... in 2010?
I guess if it had a built in microphone for skype usage that would also be a benefit over the ipod touch. I think the surprise will be a new interface/gesture system that will make it actually practical to use for things over than light web browse and writing 1 sentence emails.
I need to rephrase my old post. If it is just a big ipod touch with a few extra things like usb ports, build in microphone/web cam, faster processor/more ram, more storage, ANd most importantly a brand new way to interface that makes it actually useful and efficient, then it may be worth something. I would love if it had some sort of stylus input so I could use it for taking notes in lectures and possibly for chemdraw. Drawing chemical structures for chemdraw/scifinder or for lectures with a fast hand input like that would be my wet dream. Drawing lots of structures with a mouse can be annoying, and impossible with a touch pad.
True, but now we have e-book readers with Kindle and Nook selling-out with each batch so there must be something to the market. It may be a very limited market once the hype settles and it the players can execute on making them simple in design, easy to use, and powerful enough for exceptable performance. The Nook appears to have some shortcomings in the performance part.
Many people keep saying they want something to replace their MB. I was more addressing them
Really? This says that the app store market is 2.4B/year (and I would assume growing as more iphones/touches are sold). 30% of 2.4B is is 720M. Divide that into quarters and you're seeing 180M/quarter that isn't exactly chump change when you're posting profits about about 1.6B each quarter. Now you start adding in new content like magazines subscriptions, etc... and that number can grow further. Don't be confused, it is ALWAYS about money.
What's funny is that MS has tried this a few times and has been ridiculed every time. It wasn't long ago that they suggested all apps simply be signed by MS and they were blasted for it.