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Just curious as to what career/job/salary you have know vs. what you would rather be doing or making.
(Some people may love what they are doing now)
Also feel free to list the pros/cons of the career/job as well.
This is an interesting question because I basically had my dream job, chosing a vocational profession being a glorified bus driver, an airline pilot. ;) My pay was good ranging from $150-200k per year, but some pilots could make double that, half that or even a quarter of that based on circumstances.

But when I intellectually imagine what my dream job should be, something like inventor, designer, or existing on the edge of scientific research pops into my head. Seeking to understand our reality should be a thrilling job but mostly it places us in the position of looking at our existence abstractly through a fish bowl, where I am mechanically inclined, more of a doer, than a thinker. Besides I’m average, not that creative or brilliant.
[doublepost=1531572678][/doublepost]As part of the discussion, what is your opinion and perception of what the ideal salary is to live a comfortable fulfilling life? I’m referencing physical security, comfort and opportunity, not necessarily intellectual comfort, someplace where you feel your hands are not excessively tied financially. Some of this calculation would depend on the amount that is sucked away in taxes, the amount of work hours required per week, if the job comes home with you, and the mental requirements of the individual. Some people seem to be workaholics.

I realize this might be a considered a sensitive subject by some. My goal is not to compare salaries and not asking for that, but based on my experience, I would say the ideal comfort range would be in the $150-200k annual range, with free travel. ;) During the time I was in that salary range, I was paying about $35k per year in taxes, not counting sales tax, and I had approximately 2 weeks of vacation per month, and never brought my job home, unless it was to study for an upcoming evaluation. It was a dream job.
 
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I'm happy that I'm currently in my dream job. As for my dream salary, I'm quite far off, but it is what it is. Since I really enjoy what I'm doing, I'm willing to do it for less money, and the fact that many times it doesn't even feel like work is a big reason for that. I make enough to live comfortably, but that has much to do with my standard of living, which for many people could perhaps be considered low. And that's fine. I get to see new places and spend time with interesting people, both of which I enjoy, and I get paid to do it.

It's mostly physical labor, which sometimes makes me think how long I'll be able to do it, but as long as I can, I'm happy as a clam. It's a good thing the required skills are mostly transferable to other, similar jobs with less emphasis on the physicality if, and when that time comes.
 
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I'm happy that I'm currently in my dream job. As for my dream salary, I'm quite far off, but it is what it is. Since I really enjoy what I'm doing, I'm willing to do it for less money, and the fact that many times it doesn't even feel like work is a big reason for that. I make enough to live comfortably, but that has much to do with my standard of living, which for many people could perhaps be considered low. And that's fine. I get to see new places and spend time with interesting people, both of which I enjoy, and I get paid to do it.

It's mostly physical labor, which sometimes makes me think how long I'll be able to do it, but as long as I can, I'm happy as a clam. It's a good thing the required skills are mostly transferable to other, similar jobs with less emphasis on the physicality if, and when that time comes.
What do you do?
 
What do you do?

Strange, I could've sworn I wrote that somewhere. Oh well.

Construction (events, buildings etc.), driving (gear and/or people), general "Jack of all trades"-type stuff in the entertainment industry. Some tours with bands when there's time and that sort of stuff. I'm trying to lay off on the touring, but it's a slow process.
 
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Being that it’s a great big world and my job will let me see most of it I’ll continue doing it.

If I didn’t do what I do now I’d want to be a park ranger at a federal park in someplace like Alaska, Utah, Montana, or Wyoming.
 
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I don't have, nor have I ever had, a 'dream job' per se. Where I'm at today, is a place I never thought I'd end up. Hell, I didn't even know it was a thing in my younger years.

Life takes us all on strange and interesting journey's, often down paths we'd least expect and we end up in places never before dreamed. That's kind of how my life has unfolded, and at 40, I still have a lot of life to go and new journey's and paths to traverse. Who can know where I'll end up when my days come to an end? No one, not even me. But I look forward to the ride.

As for a dream salary, I have no magic number. All I care about in that regard is that I have enough money to live comfortably, reasonably and to be able to do the things I like and want to do.

If there is anything that I actually 'dream' for, that I can ever recall when prompted to, is that I would love to own a Ferrari.
 
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I don't have, nor have I ever had, a 'dream job' per se. Where I'm at today, is a place I never thought I'd end up. Hell, I didn't even know it was a thing in my younger years.

Life takes us all on strange and interesting journey's, often down paths we'd least expect and we end up in places never before dreamed. That's kind of how my life has unfolded, and at 40, I still have a lot of life to go and new journey's and paths to traverse. Who can know where I'll end up when my days come to an end? No one, not even me. But I look forward to the ride.

As for a dream salary, I have no magic number. All I care about in that regard is that I have enough money to live comfortably, reasonably and to be able to do the things I like and want to do.

If there is anything that I actually 'dream' for, that I can ever recall when prompted to, is that I would love to own a Ferrari.

Excellent and thoughtful post.


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If there is anything that I actually 'dream' for, that I can ever recall when prompted to, is that I would love to own a Ferrari.

Agreed, Ferraris are very nice (and everyone is allowed at least one fantasy car in their lives) but mine are the E-Type Jaguar and the classic Citroen DS.
 
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Agreed, Ferraris are very nice (and everyone is allowed at least one fantasy car in their lives) but mine are the E-Type Jaguar and the classic Citroen DS.

I can’t say I’m a huge Ferrari fan, at least new ones- they’re a bit much. Classic ones are nice. If I were ever to buy a new exotic car I’d probably have to go with Aston Martin. That said, buying a car like that is a collossal waste of money and something I couldn’t see myself doing even if I had the money to comfortably afford such an extravagant purchase.

Speaking of cost, the car I’m looking to purchase in the near future (Volvo XC60) is just around $60,000 with the options I want. I feel I can comfortably afford it without financing, but I keep questioning if I’m crazy to spend that much on a car, especially when my round trip commute is about 12 miles. $60k is a lot for a car, but in terms of new luxury cars it’s kind at the lower end of price bracket... cars have become so expensive in general. You can spend $50k+ now on some minivans and “family” cars like the Toyota Highlander.

I could easily replace my 2009 BMW 535 with a well optioned certified pre-owned BMW 3-Series for say $35,000- with more features than my existing car (and I believe the new 3 series is roughly the same size as my old 5). Aside from my current BMW being old and a ticking time bomb, it’s in excellent condition and I’m more than content with it. A few years ago I spent almost $8,000 on maintanence on it and seriously started looking for a new car. Ever since then however I’ve had zero major issues... so I’m basically waiting for the next big problem to dump it and buy a new car. Funny how that works.

My father for many years has been a bit of a classic British car hobbiest. In the past he had a MGB, Land Rover Series IIa, an MGA, and within the past year or so sold his Triumph GT6. Right now he only has his fully restored and rebuilt 1973 Land Rover Series III 88”, but eventually wants to get a Jaguar E-type (or maybe an Austin Healey 3000) as his next project when decides to retire. Personally, I’d love to restore a Range Rover Classic, but living in the city, even with a garage, is not really conducive to such hobbies. One thing is for sure, the British as a whole have made the best looking cars.

Anyways, getting back to the topic at hand, I guess I have a couple other thoughts. I mentioned I love my job at the hospital and the people I work with (well, most ;)). That said, I’d love to own my own business. As I also mentioned, I’m a minority partner (of 4) in a private business as well, but I’d love to have my own company outright. I’m not exactly sure what I’d want that to be. I wouldn’t want to do the same thing as my current company, nor would I want to own my own retail pharmacy (there’s basically no money in it any more and retail can be pretty boring). Something to ponder. As I said, I enjoy my jobs, but I tire of the bureaucracy of the hospital network I work for and get frustrated with some of the divergent philosophies of my business partners.

Or maybe once my girlfriend finishes her residency in medicine, we get married, and have kids, perhaps I’ll just be a stay at home dad :p. While I’m sure it’s great to devote all your time to raising your kids, I don’t think I could handle not working.
 
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Anyways, getting back to the topic at hand, I guess I have a couple other thoughts. I mentioned I love my job at the hospital and the people I work with (well, most ;)). That said, I’d love to own my own business. As I also mentioned, I’m a minority partner (of 4) in a private business as well, but I’d love to have my own company outright. I’m not exactly sure what I’d want that to be. I wouldn’t want to do the same thing as my current company, nor would I want to own my own retail pharmacy (there’s basically no money in it any more and retail can be pretty boring). Something to ponder. As I said, I enjoy my jobs, but I tire of the bureaucracy of the hospital network I work for and get frustrated with some of the divergent philosophies of my business partners.

Or maybe once my girlfriend finishes her residency in medicine, we get married, and have kids, perhaps I’ll just be a stay at home dad :p. While I’m sure it’s great to devote all your time to raising your kids, I don’t think I could handle not working.

You know, when I was teaching, I have to say that I loved teaching, loved research, loved writing, loved mentoring the students, but the bureaucracy (and, in some cases, office politics) tired me, drained me, and I loathed it.

In fact, as one climbed the academic ladder, there was less by way of research and teaching - the two elements that I found most intellectually stimulating and personally, professionally, and psychologically rewarding - and more by way of needing to interact with the university bureaucracy and network to raise outside funding.

Raising funding and having to deal with bureaucracies held no attraction whatsoever for me, whereas being in a classroom, or seminar, or lost in archives, did.

And divergent philosophies: Well, yes, I taught history and politics, so, yes, there were indeed divergent philosophies.

Suffice to say, I understand where you are coming from on this subject matter.

And, nothing wrong with a trim BMW.
 
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I can’t say I’m a huge Ferrari fan, at least new ones- they’re a bit much. Classic ones are nice. If I were ever to buy a new exotic car I’d probably have to go with Aston Martin. That said, buying a car like that is a collossal waste of money and something I couldn’t see myself doing even if I had the money to comfortably afford such an extravagant purchase.

Speaking of cost, the car I’m looking to purchase in the near future (Volvo XC60) is just around $60,000 with the options I want. I feel I can comfortably afford it without financing, but I keep questioning if I’m crazy to spend that much on a car, especially when my round trip commute is about 12 miles. $60k is a lot for a car, but in terms of new luxury cars it’s kind at the lower end of price bracket... cars have become so expensive in general. You can spend $50k+ now on some minivans and “family” cars like the Toyota Highlander.

I could easily replace my 2009 BMW 535 with a well optioned certified pre-owned BMW 3-Series for say $35,000- with more features than my existing car (and I believe the new 3 series is roughly the same size as my old 5). Aside from my current BMW being old and a ticking time bomb, it’s in excellent condition and I’m more than content with it. A few years ago I spent almost $8,000 on maintanence on it and seriously started looking for a new car. Ever since then however I’ve had zero major issues... so I’m basically waiting for the next big problem to dump it and buy a new car. Funny how that works.

My father for many years has been a bit of a classic British car hobbiest. In the past he had a MGB, Land Rover Series IIa, an MGA, and within the past year or so sold his Triumph GT6. Right now he only has his fully restored and rebuilt 1973 Land Rover Series III 88”, but eventually wants to get a Jaguar E-type (or maybe an Austin Healey 3000) as his next project when decides to retire. Personally, I’d love to restore a Range Rover Classic, but living in the city, even with a garage, is not really conducive to such hobbies. One thing is for sure, the British as a whole have made the best looking cars.

Anyways, getting back to the topic at hand, I guess I have a couple other thoughts. I mentioned I love my job at the hospital and the people I work with (well, most ;)). That said, I’d love to own my own business. As I also mentioned, I’m a minority partner (of 4) in a private business as well, but I’d love to have my own company outright. I’m not exactly sure what I’d want that to be. I wouldn’t want to do the same thing as my current company, nor would I want to own my own retail pharmacy (there’s basically no money in it any more and retail can be pretty boring). Something to ponder. As I said, I enjoy my jobs, but I tire of the bureaucracy of the hospital network I work for and get frustrated with some of the divergent philosophies of my business partners.

Or maybe once my girlfriend finishes her residency in medicine, we get married, and have kids, perhaps I’ll just be a stay at home dad :p. While I’m sure it’s great to devote all your time to raising your kids, I don’t think I could handle not working.


Wow! 8 grand in repairs that does not sound found. Probably would've purchased a different car.
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This is an interesting question because I basically had my dream job, chosing a vocational profession being a glorified bus driver, an airline pilot. ;) My pay was good ranging from $150-200k per year, but some pilots could make double that, half that or even a quarter of that based on circumstances.

But when I intellectually imagine what my dream job should be, something like inventor, designer, or existing on the edge of scientific research pops into my head. Seeking to understand our reality should be a thrilling job but mostly it places us in the position of looking at our existence abstractly through a fish bowl, where I am mechanically inclined, more of a doer, than a thinker. Besides I’m average, not that creative or brilliant.
[doublepost=1531572678][/doublepost]As part of the discussion, what is your opinion and perception of what the ideal salary is to live a comfortable fulfilling life? I’m referencing physical security, comfort and opportunity, not necessarily intellectual comfort, someplace where you feel your hands are not excessively tied financially. Some of this calculation would depend on the amount that is sucked away in taxes, the amount of work hours required per week, if the job comes home with you, and the mental requirements of the individual. Some people seem to be workaholics.

I realize this might be a considered a sensitive subject by some. My goal is not to compare salaries and not asking for that, but based on my experience, I would say the ideal comfort range would be in the $150-200k annual range, with free travel. ;) During the time I was in that salary range, I was paying about $35k per year in taxes, not counting sales tax, and I had approximately 2 weeks of vacation per month, and never brought my job home, unless it was to study for an upcoming evaluation. It was a dream job.

I am actually glad you made this post.
Is there any oh crap moments you have had during flying?
That was your dream job huh as you got paid to travel. Did you miss being going from home so long? Plus at that salary rang if you are making 150k and to take 35k away from that would be kind of tough. Still got none the less but some pilot flying for a quarter of 150k to 200k would be just 40 to 50k I would assume they are rookies or maybe don't do a lot of trips.
 
Wow! 8 grand in repairs that does not sound found. Probably would've purchased a different car.
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It’s just part of the German car experience :eek:

I thought it was a fairly stupid decision at the time, but it actually kinda paid off considering the extra life I’ve gained from the car. If I remember correctly that included a starter, CV joints, and some suspension parts (control arms?).
 
A list super hero movie star with a salary of up to $450 million a year plus royalties for later movie viewing worldwide. 4 A list movie stars already have broken the $500 million a year figure.
 
A list super hero movie star with a salary of up to $450 million a year plus royalties for later movie viewing worldwide. 4 A list movie stars already have broken the $500 million a year figure.

Do you actually like acting? Not everyone does.

Or do you just fancy the perks of having become successful - as a movie star - in this profession?
 
Wow! 8 grand in repairs that does not sound found. Probably would've purchased a different car.
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I am actually glad you made this post.
Is there any oh crap moments you have had during flying?
That was your dream job huh as you got paid to travel. Did you miss being going from home so long? Plus at that salary rang if you are making 150k and to take 35k away from that would be kind of tough. Still got none the less but some pilot flying for a quarter of 150k to 200k would be just 40 to 50k I would assume they are rookies or maybe don't do a lot of trips.

Of all of the mechanicals that occurred infrequently, that required diversion to land, some were serious enough, but fell within the range of my training, most significant was loss of an engine, loss of a hydraulic system requiring manual extension of the landing gear, electrical fire, asymmetrical flaps, a pressurization issue, or having half the circuit breakers in the flight deck pop like pop corn along with cargo fire warnings. Fortunately, the last one happened on the ground and involved the APU (auxiliary power unit) dropping an electrical phase. Did one emergency descent, but no emergency evacuations. :)

As far as taxes, approx 20k was Federal Income Tax, 10k was State income tax, and 5k was property tax. I don’t know what your lifestyle is, but I’ve had a comfortable life in the $150-200k income bracket.

Pay in the industry can vary widely. I was lucky coming out of the Navy directly into a major airline, where the biggest salaries are. Regional airlines have the lowest pay that used to top out at about $75k. My first year pay in 1986 was in the teens, my second year pay was $75k. My Captain pay was $175- 200k (narrow body aircraft) but was slashed when my company experienced a contrived bankruptcy (my opinion), to rob their employees, which dropped me back towards $150 but then rose again. At that point I was close enough to retirement, that although my pension was frozen, I had most of it earned and maintained. Pensions have since been eradicated for 401ks. Loss of a pension for employees was a drastic blow. No matter what they say, it was a huge windfall for corporations and a loss for employees.

Overpaid airline pilots? I used to hear this on occasion. :) When I was being paid $150 per hour, that cost applied to a ticket of a passenger was $1 per hour of flight time, so two pilots was costing a hefty $1.60 per hour and included the responsibility for 160 lives, although there were other employee related expenses which might push the cost up to $10 per hour. Still sounds like a bargain. ;)

Note: This job requires a union for both pay and quality of life issues. We only got paid from the time we pushed off to the time we returned to the gate. This is only part of the time commitment for doing this job.

Gone half the time, but being completely off the other half the time was a great deal. Yes, it involves family separation, but I know people today as a matter of routine, who are not pilots, but are gone M-F almost every week and just get home for the weekends. Then I have a friend who worked 6 days a week and was always on call, so even though he was home, I saw more of my family then he did. When I flew international, I could be gone for 13 days, off for 17-34 days, but domestically a typical schedule would be on 2-5 days on, 3- 7 off.
 
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Of all of the mechanicals that occurred infrequently, that required diversion to land, some were serious enough, but fell within the range of my training, most significant was loss of an engine, loss of a hydraulic system requiring manual extension of the landing gear, electrical fire, asymmetrical flaps, a pressurization issue, or having half the circuit breakers in the flight deck pop like pop corn along with cargo fire warnings. Fortunately, the last one happened on the ground and involved the APU (auxiliary power unit) dropping an electrical phase. Did one emergency descent, but no emergency evacuations. :)

As far as taxes, approx 20k was Federal Income Tax, 10k was State income tax, and 5k was property tax. I don’t know what your lifestyle is, but I’ve had a comfortable life in the $150-200k income bracket.

Pay in the industry can vary widely. I was lucky coming out of the Navy directly into a major airline, where the biggest salaries are. Regional airlines have the lowest pay that used to top out at about $75k. My first year pay in 1986 was in the teens, my second year pay was $75k. My Captain pay was $175- 200k (narrow body aircraft) but was slashed when my company experienced a contrived bankruptcy (my opinion), to rob their employees, which dropped me back towards $150 but then rose again. At that point I was close enough to retirement, that although my pension was frozen, I had most of it earned and maintained. Pensions have since been eradicated for 401ks. Loss of a pension for employees was a drastic blow. No matter what they say, it was a huge windfall for corporations and a loss for employees.

Overpaid airline pilots? I used to hear this on occasion. :) When I was being paid $150 per hour, that cost applied to a ticket of a passenger was $1 per hour of flight time, so two pilots was costing a hefty $1.60 per hour and included the responsibility for 160 lives, although there were other employee related expenses which might push the cost up to $10 per hour. Still sounds like a bargain. ;)

Note: This job requires a union for both pay and quality of life issues. We only got paid from the time we pushed off to the time we returned to the gate. This is only part of the time commitment for doing this job.

Gone half the time, but being completely off the other half the time was a great deal. Yes, it involves family separation, but I know people today as a matter of routine, who are not pilots, but are gone M-F almost every week and just get home for the weekends. Then I have a friend who worked 6 days a week and was always on call, so even though he was home, I saw more of my family then he did. When I flew international, I could be gone for 13 days, off for 17-34 days, but domestically a typical schedule would be on 2-5 days on, 3- 7 off.

Great post.

Agreed entirely on pensions and unions.

How long were you in the Navy - and which of the two, commercial airline pilot or Navy pilot ranked more as a 'dream job', or was the latter a young man's dream?

I remember a most interesting post you wrote a few years ago about - when you were a child - seeing someone pilot a plane, sporting a white shirt and black tie and how you decided there and then that this was what you wanted to do.
 
Great post.

Agreed entirely on pensions and unions.

How long were you in the Navy - and which of the two, commercial airline pilot or Navy pilot ranked more as a 'dream job', or was the latter a young man's dream?

I remember a most interesting post you wrote a few years ago about - when you were a child - seeing someone pilot a plane, sporting a white shirt and black tie and how you decided there and then that this was what you wanted to do.
Thank you, you have a great memory. :) A career in military service was a means to and end. My wife and I have many fond memories we cherish, while acknowledging it was hard, at times needs of the service was brutally hard on marriages, especially if it was during a war. My timing has always been good, and I served for 10 years between the Vietnam War and the first Gulf War. I can’t imagine doing that job for 20 years in an ongoing wartime environment and expecting to stay married.

You can stop here, unless you want to read more about ME. :p
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I decided I wanted to be a pilot at about 9 years old, but the odds were large that I would not accomplish this goal.

First off I was plagued with motion sickness in my first rides in small airplanes to such a degree I think this would have turned off many people.

Secondly when I was in college on a USAF scholarship (1971-75), at US Air Force summer camp, I went on a required T-37 ride, got sick, threw up and was sick for the rest of the day. Yet, I still wanted to be a pilot.

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Thirdly, I was lined up for the top spot in my ROTC unit, yet I declined that because of the time commitment, due to a change in major, which resulted in me having 40 hrs of class room time per week. This decision affected my position on the list to go on active duty. The USAF was winding down from the Vietnam War and instead of going directly into active duty, I was sent home for a year. Then I got a letter saying sorry, it would be another year. At the time, the airlines only hired pilots who were at most 30 years old so I saw my goal passing me by, to get trained and gather enough experience in time. The second letter also said if I could find another branch of the military, they would release me from my 4 year obligation.

So I ran down to the US Navy recruiting office, yet they had no pilot spots just RIO (Radar Intercept Officer) spots a back seat, non pilot crew position. Inexplicably, I took this job, even though the USAF had no officer transfer program, and I had to pass a 16 week AOC (Aviation Officer Candidate) program. Think of the movie Officer and a Gentleman. ;)

Fourthly, fate seemed to be on my side, as while I was in the AOC program, We were advised that the US Navy was short of pilots and they needed volunteers. I was back in a pilot slot! Looking for orders to flight training, one of the options was Texas. I asked my friends from Texas, if Corpus Christi had trees, they assured me it did. Yet I remember driving from Northeast Texas in a southern direction and watching the real trees slowly go away to be replaced by scrubby bushes that some people called trees. ;) NAS Chorpus Christi struck me as going to the moon, the landscape felt barren.

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My first flight at Corpus Christi NAS was in a T-28, under the hood flying instruments in the back seat of an un-air conditioned WWII-1950s era trainer in 90 degree weather. The Navy statistically knew candidates had the most problems with this stage of learning to fly so threw it at you first to get rid of the weak ones. Base on susceptibility to air sickness, it took a force of will on my part to get through this. In the process my air sickness receded.

During the T-28 program, I was drafted into jets, although if I had a choice, I would have picked turbo props because as a rule they get many more hours of flight time, important for post military pilot hiring jobs. I trained in T-2s and TA-4s at NAS Kingsville where I met my future wife. I qualified for carrier landings in the Gulf of Mexico twice on these aircraft.

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Then I was drafted as a Surgrad, supposedly the best students picked to be turned into instructors to teach the next wave of students, but it could screw up your career, because teaching slots were not as valuable, fitness report wise as was functioning out on the line in the real Navy.

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Coming out of that, I got orders for F-14s (think Top Gun), the most beautiful fighter aircraft ever designed... needs of the Navy.

Fifthly, I went through the entire program (West Coast, San Diego) no problem until I got to carrier quals. I did not pass. I have no idea exactly what the problem was, except this airplane challenged me more than the other two I had carrier qualified in. I was devastated, but hoped the Navy in it’s wisdom would allow me to transfer back into the turbo prop program I originally had planned on.

They could have said no, and my pilot/airlines plans would have been severely challenged but traveling to a board hearing at the Pentagon, I made my best case, they said sure, why not?! ;)

I went back to the Turbo Prop program at NAS Corpus Chusti, then got orders to Guam to fly spy planes (EP-3s) in the South China Sea, Indian Ocean, Sea of O, and NW Pacific. That was a lot of fun, although not fun was being separated from my wife and young child 85% of the time for 3 years. In the Navy when doing a sea tour, that was the norm if not worse than when based on a Carrier task force, training, workups, and then deployments. That sucked, but the flying was great, no not as good as an F-14, but still. ;)

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Due to career turbulence, landing in a new community that was territorial as most work related groups can be, and what I attribute to not being as socialable enough as I needed to be with my superior officers, I failed to be promoted to Lt.Commander.

Part of it has to due with limited slots and too many people, but it’s important to acknowledge my short comings. Fortunately this did not hinder my ability to pass two days of psychological testing and make a favorable impression on Northwest Airlines hiring personnel. The airline job was perfect, a seniority list, a small crew, work stays at work, and no office or career politics. Thirty years in the airline, a bankruptcy, a merger, and now retired, and kind of bored. :p
 
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Thank you, you have a great memory. :) A career in military service was a means to and end. My wife and I have many fond memories we cherish, while acknowledging it was hard, at times needs of the service was brutally hard on marriages, especially if it was during a war. My timing has always been good, and I served for 10 years between the Vietnam War and the first Gulf War. I can’t imagine doing that job for 20 years in an ongoing wartime environment and expecting to stay married.

You can stop here, unless you want to read more about ME. :p
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I decided I wanted to be a pilot at about 9 years old, but the odds were large that I would not accomplish this goal.

First off I was plagued with motion sickness in my first rides in small airplanes to such a degree I think this would have turned off many people.

Secondly when I was in college on a USAF scholarship (1971-75), at US Air Force summer camp, I went on a required T-37 ride, got sick, threw up and was sick for the rest of the day. Yet, I still wanted to be a pilot.


Thirdly, I was lined up for the top spot in my ROTC unit, yet I declined that because of the time commitment, due to a change in major, which resulted in me having 40 hrs of class room time per week. This decision affected my position on the list to go on active duty. The USAF was winding down from the Vietnam War and instead of going directly into active duty, I was sent home for a year. Then I got a letter saying sorry, it would be another year. At the time, the airlines only hired pilots who were at most 30 years old so I saw my goal passing me by, to get trained and gather enough experience in time. The second letter also said if I could find another branch of the military, they would release me from my 4 year obligation.

So I ran down to the US Navy recruiting office, yet they had no pilot spots just RIO (Radar Intercept Officer) spots a back seat, non pilot crew position. Inexplicably, I took this job, even though the USAF had no officer transfer program, and I had to pass a 16 week AOC (Aviation Officer Candidate) program. Think of the movie Officer and a Gentleman. ;)

Fourthly, fate seemed to be on my side, as while I was in the AOC program, We were advised that the US Navy was short of pilots and they needed volunteers. I was back in a pilot slot! Looking for orders to flight training, one of the options was Texas. I asked my friends from Texas, if Corpus Christi had trees, they assured me it did. Yet I remember driving from Northeast Texas in a southern direction and watching the real trees slowly go away to be replaced by scrubby bushes that some people called trees. ;) NAS Chorpus Christi struck me as going to the moon, the landscape felt barren.

My first flight at Corpus Christi NAS was in a T-28, under the hood flying instruments in the back seat of an un-air conditioned WWII-1950s era trainer in 90 degree weather. The Navy statistically knew candidates had the most problems with this stage of learning to fly so threw it at you first to get rid of the weak ones. Base on susceptibility to air sickness, it took a force of will on my part to get through this. In the process my air sickness receded.

During the T-28 program, I was drafted into jets, although if I had a choice, I would have picked turbo props because as a rule they get many more hours of flight time, important for post military pilot hiring jobs. I trained in T-2s and TA-4s at NAS Kingsville where I met my future wife. I qualified for carrier landings in the Gulf of Mexico twice on these aircraft.


Then I was drafted as a Surgrad, supposedly the best students picked to be turned into instructors to teach the next wave of students, but it could screw up your career, because teaching slots were not as valuable, fitness report wise as was functioning out on the line in the real Navy.


Coming out of that, I got orders for F-14s (think Top Gun), the most beautiful fighter aircraft ever designed... needs of the Navy.

Fufthky, I went through the entire program (West Coast, San Diego) no problem until I got to carrier quals. I did not pass. I have no idea exactly what the problem was, except this airplane challenged me more than the other two I had carrier qualified in. I was devastated, but hoped the Navy in it’s wisdom would allow me to transfer back into the turbo prop program I originally had planned on.

They could have said no, and my pilot/airlines plans would have been severely challenged but traveling to a board hearing at the Pentagon, I made my best case, they said sure, why not?! ;) I went back to the Turbo Prop program at NAS Corpus Chusti, then got orders to Guam to fly spy planes (EP-3s) in the South China Sea, Indian Ocean, Sea of O, and NW Pacific. That was a lot of fun, although not fun was being separated from my wife and young child 85% of the time for 3 years. In the Navy when doing a sea tour, that was the norm if not worse than that when base on a Carruer task force, training, workups, and then deployments. That sucked, but the flying was great, no not as good as an F-14, but still. ;)


Due to career turbulence, landing in a new community that was territorial as most work related groups can be, and what I attribute to not being as socialable enough as I needed to be with my superior officers, I failed to be promoted to Lt.Commander.

Part of it has to due with limited slots and too many people, but it’s important to acknowledge my short comings. Fortunately this did not hinder my ability to pass two days of psychological testing and make a favorable impression on Northwest Airlines hiring personnel. The airline job was perfect, a seniority list, a small crew, and no office or career politics. Thirty years in the airline, a bankruptcy, a merger, and now retired, and kind of bored. :p

I must say that I enjoyed reading this post; thanks for sharing.
 
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