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In all the discussion on the new Mac laptop it seems different things are being conflated. Yes Apple needs a lower cost entry level laptop option. Yes something needs to happen with the MBA (either it gets updated or Apple kills it). But it seems like Marco Arment and others are projecting onto this mythical new laptop all the things they don’t like about the current rMBPs. Marco wants this laptop to have lots of ports (read: USB-A and SD card slot), different keyboard (read: non-butterfly), no touchbar. If that’s what Marco and others are hoping for they’re just setting themselves up for disappointment. It’s not like Apple couldn’t have stuck a better display in the Air anytime they wanted to over the last 4 years. Either this is going to be a completely new device or they’re going to take the non-touchbar rMBP and spec it out to hit a $999 price point. But the likelihood of them bringing back USB-A, SD card slot and scissor keyboard to a new device is next to none. It’s almost like Marco is purposely wishcasting something he knows isn’t going to happen so then he can spend the next episode of ATP complaining about it.
 
And the Touchbar is functionally the same thing as the function key. Then again, a full size HD in a docking station is functionally the same thing as a Nifty Drive but no one would confuse the two use cases.

If you think that the TouchBar is the same thing as a Function Key, you haven't been paying attention.


I don't want to risk it; and either way it is not nearly as good a solution as a Nifty drive or low profile drive, for me; which is why I would like Apple to reintroduce a slot but don't expect them to do it.

So, you would rather sit around and b*** about something you CANNOT change, than adapt to a SLIGHTLY different solution? Got it!
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Well, you will almost certainly outrun a wireless setup under heavy shooting - if a fast and reliable network even exists on your shoot . And that's a big if .

Offsite cloud storage for fast, heavy duty file transfer is not even an option, for very obvious reasons .
Actually, I was thinking more of a small, ruggedized bus-powered external drive. Amazon sells a really nice 4TB one in a IP68-rated case with USB-C (and USB-A) for $107.

https://www.amazon.com/Silicon-Power-Military-grade-Shockproof-Waterproof/dp/B072BSQMGZ/
 
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if AirPower is dead in the water, or at least on hold until they figure it out - it makes no sense to wait with the Airpod refresh if it is ready. There will already be probably hundreds of thousands or even millions of people with existing wireless chargers they'd like to use with airpods.
 
Was removing tape cassette drives due to greed? Was removing floppy drives (both 3.5” and 5.25”) due to greed? Was removing cd and dvd drives due to greed? Removing SD reader slots is greed?
Or could it just be that technology advances, and people’s needs change. As someone pointed out earlier in this thread, students rely much less on portable storage like SD cards. They use the cloud. Apple recognizes this, and eliminates things it thinks don’t need to be included any more. Every example I gave above resulted in people complaining. I used them all, and I remember the discussions.

You're not correct here. Most companies remove things due to supply/demand, but Apple don't operate like that. When they removed the CD-ROM, I remember how prevalent it was to still use CD's. Other manufacturers followed suit later on, when it became far less used.

Even today, USB-A sticks are very common in all areas of life, including education. Look at modern 2018 laptops by others that aren't even out yet but due in a month or two, they could have completed removed the USB-A but most still include it because they know how useful it is for many (and consider, Apple removed them 2 years ago). One day, they may be obsolete, but we are far away from that now. The amount of things I have at home which are USB-A, just like the other day I bought a new dash cam and it came with a USB-A adapter to transfer things from the cam's microSD to the laptop.

Cloud has it's pro's and con's, but it isn't mainstream yet.

Apple purposely does things early, a bit too early imo.
 
No budget iPad Mini 5 Apple! Make my a flagship version better then the 12.9 iPad Pro!
 
If you think that the TouchBar is the same thing as a Function Key, you haven't been paying attention.

Thanks. Your reply proves my point - simply because an item provides the same functionality (Nifty Drive w/microSD vs much larger external USB stick or Touch Bar function keys vs real function keys) doesn't mean each will provide the same utility to different users. We all have our own needs, likes and wants.

So, you would rather sit around and b*** about something you CANNOT change, than adapt to a SLIGHTLY different solution? Got it!

Nah. Just pointing out what I'd like Apple to do, or for a 3rd party to provide a solution, to restore functionality I miss in my 2018 MBP that current solutions do not provide in a manner that is nearly as useful as what I had before on my 2015 MBP. I realize the aren't going to do that.

No matter what Apple does some users will be upset or not like the path they've chosen. I've come to find the touch bar way more useful than function keys, others can't stand it. The transition, for me, to USB C ports was relatively painless since I can by cables that meet my daily needs and not have to carry around extra dongles. For others it was more of a challenge or cause for upset. Each of us has our own needs and tradeoffs we are willing to make, and neither are right or wrong. Just different.

I am looking forward to the new large iPad Pro and Pencil. If they go to USB C and have no headphone jack, as rumored, I'm OK with that since I want a more powerful processor and memory in as small a form factor as possible. A more capable pencil, with erase functionality and a power saving off mode would be nice. Others will lament the changes if they happen. I've been at this game far to long to worry about what a company does, I just find a tool that works for me and if Apple ceases to do so I'll move on. So far, Macs have been the best tool for my own use case. To each his own. YMMV HAND
 
You're not correct here. Most companies remove things due to supply/demand, but Apple don't operate like that. When they removed the CD-ROM, I remember how prevalent it was to still use CD's. Other manufacturers followed suit later on, when it became far less used.

Even today, USB-A sticks are very common in all areas of life, including education. Look at modern 2018 laptops by others that aren't even out yet but due in a month or two, they could have completed removed the USB-A but most still include it because they know how useful it is for many (and consider, Apple removed them 2 years ago). One day, they may be obsolete, but we are far away from that now. The amount of things I have at home which are USB-A, just like the other day I bought a new dash cam and it came with a USB-A adapter to transfer things from the cam's microSD to the laptop.

Cloud has it's pro's and con's, but it isn't mainstream yet.

Apple purposely does things early, a bit too early imo.

You may think they do things too early, but that doesn’t mean they were wrong… Or that I was wrong. If they see the direction they think technology is going, and they want to be in the forefront… Then they have not been afraid to make choices that some people criticize. And in the short term the criticism is louder, and people might have fair arguments on why they think a technology should still be included in the device. But long-term, it’s hard to argue they’ve been wrong.
 
Apple purposely does things early, a bit too early imo.

I agree. The 30 Oct launch will no doubt showcase Apple doing more of that. One reason Apple can do that is there is essentially no option other than Apple if you want iOS and or OS X so you either live with Apple's vision of the how it should be or move on. Fortunately, they make a compelling enough product so a lot of people stick with them.
 
You may think they do things too early, but that doesn’t mean they were wrong… Or that I was wrong. If they see the direction they think technology is going, and they want to be in the forefront… Then they have not been afraid to make choices that some people criticize. And in the short term the criticism is louder, and people might have fair arguments on why they think a technology should still be included in the device. But long-term, it’s hard to argue they’ve been wrong.

You can argue then, that there is no such thing as "wrong" for any company on any decision.
 
Apple should challenge itself and the market by simultaneously releasing 2015 MacBook Pro with the newest internals, substituting the TB with USB-C and the 2018 MacBook Pro with equal internal specs. Let the market dictate what they want - heck even price the 2015-version a $100-200 more and see what happens.

Be brave, Apple.

Even better ... Be Best!
[doublepost=1540832097][/doublepost]Tomorrow we will see new iPads, Mac mini and MacBook Air replacement....NO NEW IMACS OR TOWER, RESERVED FOR JAN 2019, this is my prediction...yet another disappointing event for pro users
 
[doublepost=1540832097][/doublepost]Tomorrow we will see new iPads, Mac mini and MacBook Air replacement....NO NEW IMACS OR TOWER, RESERVED FOR JAN 2019, this is my prediction...yet another disappointing event for pro users

Trouble is Apple has followed Job's four quadrant model for Macs to this day - Desktop / Laptop Pro / Consumer. To that end, introducing a consumer Mini and a pro Mac Pro line (even if it is just teased) follows that model. In the laptop space a 13" MB Air replacement and the current MBP line makes sense. They've never had much variant in the model in each quadrant beyond the component (processor/memory/HD/Graphics) level and keeping the form factor case/ports/screen pretty much the same, with some exceptions such as when they started retina displays. Their philosophy is to streamline each product line rather than offer a wide variety of configurations.

I'd like to see slots return to the desktop but other than perhaps graphics and possibly processor daughter baords in a Pro line I don't see that happening in the Mini.
 
You can argue then, that there is no such thing as "wrong" for any company on any decision.

No... you could make lots of arguments that something is wrong. If a company removed something from their products, but after several years other people still use it and they decide they made a mistake and they bring that technology back to their product, then that would be an example of them being wrong. You could fairly make the argument that going to lightning cables was wrong. Lots of people didn’t like them, myself included. And now it looks like they potential are going to be changing and going to USBC. So it would be fair to make the argument that a lightning adapter was a mistake. Personally, I think Apple has made more mistakes in their choices of what proprietary connectors to use them they have made in their decisions on what technologies to include or not include in their devices. Each of the storage options that I referenced that have existed in the last 20 years that Apple removed, everyone else ended up removing them at the same time or pretty close to the same time as Apple. So my only point is that those weren’t wrong decisions. And my whole point in my original post was that the person I responded to said that the reason for removing it was to be greedy. Other people have made more valid reasons on why they think it was a bad idea to remove it, but just to go down the whole “greedy” route is just stupid.
 
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No... you could make lots of arguments that something is wrong. If a company removed something from their products, but after several years other people still use it and they decide they made a mistake and they bring that technology back to their product, then that would be an example of them being wrong.

This statement is wrong on so many levels. The idea it’s wrong only if they revert a decision...
 
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This statement is wrong on so many levels. The idea it’s wrong only if they revert a decision...

You make no sense whatsoever. I never said that was the only time they could be wrong. Notice the part where I said that that would be one example. You do know what the word example means correct?
The irony here is that I don’t even agree with the decision to not put SD cards in there. Personally I think they’re still useful and good to have ( another example LOL ). I only responded originally to the person saying that they’re only reason for removing it was because they’re greedy. That made no sense whatsoever.
 
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You make no sense whatsoever. I never said that was the only time they could be wrong. Notice the part where I said that that would be one example. You do know what the word example means correct?
The irony here is that I don’t even agree with the decision to not put SD cards in there. Personally I think they’re still useful and good to have ( another example LOL ). I only responded originally to the person saying that they’re only reason for removing it was because they’re greedy. That made no sense whatsoever.

That wasn't even an example, it was a nonsensical statement.
 
That wasn't even an example, it was a nonsensical statement.

There will be thunderbolt 3 for the Mac mini, hence your 'slots' or expansion you are looking for. If more and more apps took advantage of graphic cards no need to upgrade the processor.
 
In which case, prepare to be disappointed. Unless the new Mac Mini is some hybrid Mac Pro that can be paired to do parallel computing, there’s absolutely no chance whatsoever it would be modular. No chance. Not at all.

I’m saying this both honestly, but also half hoping Apple stick with their mentality of proving whatever I say wrong with literally every product, and the new Mac Mini is actually TOO modular. Just waaaay upgradable.

Seriously, check my posting history around this time. I’m ****ing hopeless.

I mean, xgrid still exists, they could resurrect dev work on it :p
 
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Mac Mini, and an iPad Pro is a must buy for me. I have a evga 1080 sitting here collecting dust, hopefully I'll be able to use it as an egpu.

I'm going for the new iMacs, hopefully. I could upgrade my 2nd gen iPad Pro 12.9 with my ISP but the dog decided to run over a few weeks ago putting some ugly scratches on it, so maybe they won't accept the trade in :-( ... other than that I'd love to get a Macbook Air ... and of course if the Mac Mini is upgradable it would be a pleasure to own one again. I gave up on them in 2014.
 
So, you would rather sit around and b*** about something you CANNOT change, than adapt to a SLIGHTLY different solution? Got it!

There is a HUGE difference between carrying with you a capable yet reasonably light and stylish laptop which can deal with most of the communication/data transfer options you normally encounter and, may be, a charger for it, and carrying a fashion accessory and a load of dongles and cables which get broken/lost/forgotten etc. This second option has nothing to do with the now obsolete "just works" mantra.

You can, of course, "think different", and lift the dropped pencil from a floor with your buttocks instead of your hands, heck, you can even carry an Apple-designed "arse small items lifting utensil" with you all the time or continue using a single-button mouse till now (remember - Apple was telling its lemmings they should "think different" for years, LOL).

I don't care for Apple "changing the industry". I still would like them to create convenient and reliable products which introduce some exciting new features or concepts without forcing the adopters to use their bottoms where they normally use their hands or, worse, their heads.

Inb4: "What are you doing on this forum?!?111"
I use Apple software and devices on a daily basis. I use other platforms (Lin, Win) as well. I can "think different" and I have no problems adapting to nearly anything in IT. I just hate when people produce crap and try to persuade me it's a new sort of candy, and the choir of zealots sings "Hallelujjjjjjaaaahhh!" in the background.
 
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If you think that the TouchBar is the same thing as a Function Key, you haven't been paying attention.




So, you would rather sit around and b*** about something you CANNOT change, than adapt to a SLIGHTLY different solution? Got it!
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Actually, I was thinking more of a small, ruggedized bus-powered external drive. Amazon sells a really nice 4TB one in a IP68-rated case with USB-C (and USB-A) for $107.

https://www.amazon.com/Silicon-Power-Military-grade-Shockproof-Waterproof/dp/B072BSQMGZ/
Have you ever thought of getting a NAS, the beauty of the QNAP NAS' is that all OS's can connect and share. It becomes the central hub of your network. I have 22TB of storage on mine, although 2 of the 6TB internals are in RAID1 so technically I only have 16TB of storage. You can use them for Time Machine as well which is handy if you've got multiple macs.
 
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Have you ever thought of getting a NAS, the beauty of the QNAP NAS' is that all OS's can connect and share. It becomes the central hub of your network. I have 22TB of storage on mine, although 2 of the 6TB internals are in RAID1 so technically I only have 16TB of storage. You can use them for Time Machine as well which is handy if you've got multiple macs.
[doublepost=1540837699][/doublepost]You will be disappointed, new new iMacs tomorrow, next year and possible spring 2019, they are in no rush, remember they have no competition !! and that has been the problem all these years
 
Thanks. Your reply proves my point - simply because an item provides the same functionality (Nifty Drive w/microSD vs much larger external USB stick or Touch Bar function keys vs real function keys) doesn't mean each will provide the same utility to different users. We all have our own needs, likes and wants.



Nah. Just pointing out what I'd like Apple to do, or for a 3rd party to provide a solution, to restore functionality I miss in my 2018 MBP that current solutions do not provide in a manner that is nearly as useful as what I had before on my 2015 MBP. I realize the aren't going to do that.

No matter what Apple does some users will be upset or not like the path they've chosen. I've come to find the touch bar way more useful than function keys, others can't stand it. The transition, for me, to USB C ports was relatively painless since I can by cables that meet my daily needs and not have to carry around extra dongles. For others it was more of a challenge or cause for upset. Each of us has our own needs and tradeoffs we are willing to make, and neither are right or wrong. Just different.

I am looking forward to the new large iPad Pro and Pencil. If they go to USB C and have no headphone jack, as rumored, I'm OK with that since I want a more powerful processor and memory in as small a form factor as possible. A more capable pencil, with erase functionality and a power saving off mode would be nice. Others will lament the changes if they happen. I've been at this game far to long to worry about what a company does, I just find a tool that works for me and if Apple ceases to do so I'll move on. So far, Macs have been the best tool for my own use case. To each his own. YMMV HAND
Oh, well that was a MUCH more reasoned reply, thank you! ;-)

I believe that "Donglegate" has been blown WAY out of proportion; but as you said (and I have also observed), no matter what Apple does, SOMEBODY(s) are going to be upset. Stock will drop because they didn't release an iPad with built-in Cesium power, mind-control pointing, and the ability to write its own Applications (without human help!).

I'm too poor to afford any new gear this time around (although my iPad 2 is slowly driving my bonkers, due to its ancient (by web standards) browser)... But I am VERY interested to see what they have in mind for the iPad and the Mac mini this go-around!
 
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Huh? I was addressing external storage to someone else. But I am hoping to get one of those new iMacs.
 
I can "think different" and I have no problems adapting to nearly anything in IT.
Boy, you sure couldn't tell it from the amount of memes-per-inch in your Post.

"Fashion Accessory"

"Load of Dongles"

"Just Works" (used in a sarcastic manner)

"Apple lemmings"

"Think Different" (used in a sarcastic manner)

Single-Button-Mouse (boy, you had to blow the dust off THAT one, didnja?)


Is that about it? SIX Apple-Hater-memes in a FOUR paragraph Post!

That has to be a RECORD!!!

I repeat: What ARE you doing here???
 
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