What to Expect at WWDC 2018: iOS 12, macOS 10.14, tvOS 12 and watchOS 5 But No Hardware

Here's an idea...how about changing the name to macOS 11
Shouldn't 14 versions in 20 years warrant a bump up to a new version?
Then again, except for fonts and icons, the desktop experience has looked pretty much the same the whole time.

I'm not whining. Just being a wisenheimer.

2009 iMac 27", 2017 MBP 13", iPhone 6 Plus.......are these OK for this thread, peoples?
 
If iOS 12 doesn't play the first song that I ever downloaded from iTunes every time I start my car, then it's a roaring success.

(I know every noise of Kayne West's "Can't Tell Me Nothing" by heart)
They use to sell a song on iTunes called “aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa” or something which was basically 10 mins of silence. It was very likely going to be the first song alphabetically in your list so that’s the one that would play when you started your car. Don’t know if it’s still available but it might be worth a buck to buy that and get some peace and quiet while you decide what to listen to.

Edit: yup it’s still available and it’s called “aaaaa quiet song”
 
All I want is expanded Services across all countries (at least make a push within the EU). No News/TV app, Apple Pay or even things like Siri support or Films/TV shows in iTunes in many, if not in some cases all European countries.
 
Dark theme is an obvious high priority feature however here is a feature I would also like to see in a future iOS, the ability to override the system volume per app. The reason is on average everything plays somewhat nicely with everything else systemwide but some apps are obnoxiously loud or selectively loud like Bejeweled Blitz which I have to turn the volume down on every time I play and then back up for after I leave it. I'm thinking it should really just remember the volume setting on a per app basis instead of globally since once you find the volume you prefer for an app you seldom need to change it.
 
During the summer HS and College students often replace their computers to be setup for the fall term, if there are no hardware updates, won't that put a damper on sales? Back to school computer buying used to be a big thing.....maybe not so much anymore.

Well, in 2016 there was nothing new that summer. I remember it vividly because it was the summer before I started college and my parents were offering to buy me a new computer. A lot of my friends bought 2015 models. I'm glad I didn't. I just used my iPad until the new models came out in October. But in that case they had a new design that was delayed because of issues with the Touch Bar (yeah that was worth the wait, alright). They could at least just have a spec bump this year.
 
Wait: you just confirmed my statement with your second sentence.

If Apple does a better job at listening to its customers, then bases their decisions off of customer opinions, then you want Apple to base its decisions off customer desires, which is what I said.

Otherwise, what’s the point of listening to customers?

Opening a channel and ONLY following customer desires is two very different things. Once again, I'm not saying to exclusively follow customer-driven suggestions. I AM saying put more channels in place to ALSO hear what customers want directly from those customers. Create channels to make it so decision-makers at the top can hear first hand (not third, fifth or fiftieth hand) what the market likes and doesn't like. Those DMs can then ignore everything that flows through that channel... or not... but if not, what's the harm in at least better hearing straight from those who have bought and may buy again soon?

The point of listening to customers is to have an opportunity to better match what you want to sell them with what they actually want from you. Listening doesn't BIND Apple to ONLY doing what consumers ask of them, but it does add to the innovation catalyst pot, such that they might pick up a few things they might otherwise miss. At Apple's massive size, even ONE better idea sourced this way would be far reaching.

Classic examples via the oft-used Ford metaphor slung around here...

Ford is often quoted as saying: "when we asked people what they want, they said 'faster horses'" Setting aside the offense of any one man basically calling his entire customer base ignorant- thus not worthy of even asking for their input- by listening, there was something to still be gained there: customers wanted a faster means to get from here to there. If customers as a group were indeed too ignorant to imagine a motor car, listening could help those that were developing a car to know that building one that could travel faster than a horse & buggy would likely be well received.

When we sling that phrase around here, we're usually poking fun at our fellow consumers- or perhaps ALL Apple customers- again implying we're too ignorant to have any sense of what we want from Apple: only Apple in some kind of closed bubble can innovate, then bring a relatively small group of mind's innovations to market so that us idiots can finally learn what we want to own. Do we really think so low of ourselves and our fellow consumers? Do we really believe there is as little as nothing to be picked up from more effectively asking for such input?

Back to Ford. Ford's innovation to show what the idiots really wanted was not a faster horse but an affordable motor car paid off huge. We could argue that IT was an iPhone-like innovation in that space. Ford quickly became King, dominating the auto industry.

Step a little forward in time. Ford has rapidly grown much larger than when it rolled out that first "iPhone." Infrastructure has significantly fattened up to handle all that business. Success has raged for years and years on the wave of goodwill forged with "next big thing" breakthroughs. Ford is King.

However, no lock on the top is automatically forever. Ford is later quoted on the subject of car colors. The market- them idiots again- was wanting cars in colors other than black. Ford famously flexed his "I know what my customers want better than they do" arrogance with a quote that went something like: "They can have any color Ford they want... as long as it is black." Ha, ha, ha. He's so clever. Genius!!!

What happened? Customers decided to go buy cars in colors other than black from Ford competitors. Did Ford cling to their "we know best" mentality there? Can you buy a Ford in any color other than black today? Nevertheless, that corporate arrogance devolved Ford from King to just one of many players... from thoroughly owning a market to losing much share to others that proved better at giving customers what they want.

Does Apple's story have to replicate Ford's story? Of course not. Is this some kind of "Apple is doomed" post? Nope, just as that is no "Ford is doomed" post. The analogy is more just one of countless others when a company rose up from smallish to become King of it's space, then lost it's hold on that spot by losing touch with what customers want. That's been done over and over and over again. No company is immune to mistakes of the past if they don't learn from those mistakes and "think different."

My suggestion here is to TRY HARDER to hear what customers want. That doesn't force Apple to do ANYTHING different than it does now. But it might help Apple do things even better than it does now. Else, "you can have any size iPhone screen, as long as it is 3.5'" and "you can Siri control ANY music service with HP as long as it is AM" and so on. Eventually, even the most passionate faithful might want a <product> in a different color. Can Apple hear that before its market might shift, or does Apple have to lose a bunch of customers- as Ford (and many others) did- to then bend on the "we know better than our customers" mentality?

Whether individuals here argue yes or no, history paints a pretty consistent picture of how that almost always plays out. As a consumer (owning almost everything Apple makes), I want better from them. That idea is one way to get some fresh input from those who actually give them the (future) money. There is no obligation to give that money to Apple. It's on Apple to continue to succeed at luring them to do so. My suggestion is one way to get desirable ideas- good or bad- from those with the money Apple will want in the future, not obligating Apple to do anything with any such ideas.
 
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I just realized that this is the first time, after decades of using the Mac, that I didn't upgrade the OS (to High Sierra). The new file system/Fusion drive fiasco prevented me, while the lack of noteworthy incentives squelched any regrets.
 
Me too. In some ways, "just works" has (d)evolved into "wait and see if it's OK"... and sometimes the wait can be upwards of a year+.

And you and I are not the only ones.
 
I just realized that this is the first time, after decades of using the Mac, that I didn't upgrade the OS (to High Sierra). The new file system/Fusion drive fiasco prevented me, while the lack of noteworthy incentives squelched any regrets.

Ditto. I usually am one of the first to upgrade. I'm still on Sierra on my home MBP. My work MBP is still on El Capitan. I have numerous coworkers having some issues with High Sierra. I know in High Sierra, they changed something in Safari which causes some very unique issues to happen when you code for native browser plugins.
 
During the summer HS and College students often replace their computers to be setup for the fall term, if there are no hardware updates, won't that put a damper on sales? Back to school computer buying used to be a big thing.....maybe not so much anymore.

People still buy laptops and computers?
 
This.

Why can't they just throw a Kaby Lake i7 in the Mini and call it a day? Why can't we get up-to-date CPUs without waiting four years for Jony to massage the chamfers to his satisfaction?
And a battery! Everyone seems to expect that the MacMini must be plugged in to 120V
 
And let’s not blame Apple and the supposed lack of innovation they have. Many of these products are simply at a point where they don’t require much refinement beyond minor upgrades.
Think different! Mac mini should be portable, with battery like a MacBook, but no screen or keyboard. But tons of USB ports, hdmi, desktop power cpu, ram and storage. Controlled from iPad or Air
 
You missed my point, which really isn't a surprise judging from your defensive posture. I realize he is a very successful CEO, and have never called into question his business acumen. I was pointing out he is appealing more to the masses, which is expected. But at some point you must realize you are alienating a portion of your customer base for no particular logical reason that I can fathom. They have gobs of money, facilities, unparalleled talent, any yet so many products languish.

As a stockholder myself, I also cheer him on. As a user of some of the product line however, I curse under my breath.


There's really only one answer. Bye.
 
Opening a channel and ONLY following customer desires is two very different things. Once again, I'm not saying to exclusively follow customer-driven suggestions. I AM saying put more channels in place to ALSO hear what customers want directly from those customers. Create channels to make it so decision-makers at the top can hear first hand (not third, fifth or fiftieth hand) what the market likes and doesn't like. Those DMs can then ignore everything that flows through that channel... or not... but if not, what's the harm in at least better hearing straight from those who have bought and may buy again soon?

The point of listening to customers is to have an opportunity to better match what you want to sell them with what they actually want from you. Listening doesn't BIND Apple to ONLY doing what consumers ask of them, but it does add to the innovation catalyst pot, such that they might pick up a few things they might otherwise miss. At Apple's massive size, even ONE better idea sourced this way would be far reaching.

Classic examples via the oft-used Ford metaphor slung around here...

Ford is often quoted as saying: "when we asked people what they want, they said 'faster horses'" Setting aside the offense of any one man basically calling his entire customer base ignorant- thus not worthy of even asking for their input- by listening, there was something to still be gained there: customers wanted a faster means to get from here to there. If customers as a group were indeed too ignorant to imagine a motor car, listening could help those that were developing a car to know that building one that could travel faster than a horse & buggy would likely be well received.

When we sling that phrase around here, we're usually poking fun at our fellow consumers- or perhaps ALL Apple customers- again implying we're too ignorant to have any sense of what we want from Apple: only Apple in some kind of closed bubble can innovate, then bring a relatively small group of mind's innovations to market so that us idiots can finally learn what we want to own. Do we really think so low of ourselves and our fellow consumers? Do we really believe there is as little as nothing to be picked up from more effectively asking for such input?

Back to Ford. Ford's innovation to show what the idiots really wanted was not a faster horse but an affordable motor car paid off huge. We could argue that IT was an iPhone-like innovation in that space. Ford quickly became King, dominating the auto industry.

Step a little forward in time. Ford has rapidly grown much larger than when it rolled out that first "iPhone." Infrastructure has significantly fattened up to handle all that business. Success has raged for years and years on the wave of goodwill forged with "next big thing" breakthroughs. Ford is King.

However, no lock on the top is automatically forever. Ford is later quoted on the subject of car colors. The market- them idiots again- was wanting cars in colors other than black. Ford famously flexed his "I know what my customers want better than they do" arrogance with a quote that went something like: "They can have any color Ford they want... as long as it is black." Ha, ha, ha. He's so clever. Genius!!!

What happened? Customers decided to go buy cars in colors other than black from Ford competitors. Did Ford cling to their "we know best" mentality there? Can you buy a Ford in any color other than black today? Nevertheless, that corporate arrogance devolved Ford from King to just one of many players... from thoroughly owning a market to losing much share to others that proved better at giving customers what they want.

Does Apple's story have to replicate Ford's story? Of course not. Is this some kind of "Apple is doomed" post? Nope, just as that is no "Ford is doomed" post. The analogy is more just one of countless others when a company rose up from smallish to become King of it's space, then lost it's hold on that spot by losing touch with what customers want. That's been done over and over and over again. No company is immune to mistakes of the past if they don't learn from those mistakes and "think different."

My suggestion here is to TRY HARDER to hear what customers want. That doesn't force Apple to do ANYTHING different than it does now. But it might help Apple do things even better than it does now. Else, "you can have any size iPhone screen, as long as it is 3.5'" and "you can Siri control ANY music service with HP as long as it is AM" and so on. Eventually, even the most passionate faithful might want a <product> in a different color. Can Apple hear that before its market might shift, or does Apple have to lose a bunch of customers- as Ford (and many others) did- to then bend on the "we know better than our customers" mentality?

Whether individuals here argue yes or no, history paints a pretty consistent picture of how that almost always plays out. As a consumer (owning almost everything Apple makes), I want better from them. That idea is one way to get some fresh input from those who actually give them the (future) money. There is no obligation to give that money to Apple. It's on Apple to continue to succeed at luring them to do so. My suggestion is one way to get desirable ideas- good or bad- from those with the money Apple will want in the future, not obligating Apple to do anything with any such ideas.
I totally agree that Apple should try harder to listen to what their customers want, with the caveat that they actually implement some ideas (your system seems well thought out); otherwise, is just patronizing. However, I also think that, given their past history, there is a very slim chance this will happen, short of a devistating circumstance (e.g., BatteryGate), because Apple’s interests are foremost about what Apple thinks is cool/innovative/forward-thinking.

Unrelatedly, though, I’d like to praise you for being a great conversationalist. Often within such relatively-anonymous online debates, people turn toward personal attacks, and you haven’t, only sticking to opinion and fact. Nice arguing with you!
 
To that "slim chance," note what I share in the original post- first line right after the hypothetical announcement...

I don't expect anything like that.

And thanks for the compliments. When it devolves into personal attacks, name-calling, moving goal posts, etc., it's disappointing for me too.
 
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I have a theory on why we aren't seeing new hardware (and it has nothing to do with that stupid ARM rumor). I believe, as many believe, the iMac Pro was supposed to be the next Mac Pro. When Apple finally opened up the blinds to see what the public was looking for, they realized that the iMac Pro/Mac Pro wasn't going to cut the mustard, but were too far into it to stop development. I believe Tim's pipeline was full of soon-to-be announced missed marks and Apple had to go back to the drawing board on quite a few of them.

Just my opinion. Just a vibe. For now, enjoy your bug-fixes and animoji implementations.

and watch bands.
 
So no actual professional gear, just toys and unicorn images then.
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I can't wait to get a glimpse of the next versions of each OS, specially macOS 10.14. and iOS 12. Bringing News to the Mac is a no brainer. I think it has gotten better since it first launched on iOS. I used to exclusively visit Google News and have notifications from different newspapers but now I just get them from News alone. Hopefully it'll sync liked and saved articles with iOS.
 
Apple Music redesign, significant Siri improvements, more HomeKit compatible devices, stable iOS 12.

I would hope we do NOT see a MacBook Line refresh before Whiskey Lake is released due to the significant improvements expected. However, a Mac Mini is way overdue. Likewise, this could be a good time to release that MacBook Air replacement.
 
A near trillion dollar company can’t hire a team to make Siri worth a damn. Still baffles me.
This WWDC better be about making Siri relevant again. And not just getting it on par with Google Assistant and Amazon's Echo in terms of accuracy and usability, but making it a platform for developers to tie into as well (like Alexa's Skills.)

With the introduction of the HomePod, and the availability of Siri across all their hardware, now is the time to show everybody that they're serious about Siri, especially in a year where mostly bug-fixes are expected in iOS and macOS. Anything less than an all-out effort will show they either don't care or aren't paying attention.
 
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