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Don't forget, we'll get MORE emoji, and LESS ports.
But everything will be thinner and lighter.
I don't care about emoji. I welcome the transition to a single standard port. Not less of them, necessarily, but fewer kinds. I remember the bad old days when you had a keyboard port, a mouse port, a monitor port, a printer port, a modem port, a headphone jack, a microphone jack, a power port, an ethernet port, and they were all different!

I'd like to see the USB-C port become the only kind of port on Apple devices, including the iPhone. I'd like it even more if it became the standard (physical) port for all new computing devices. If I need to hook up an old Centronics printer, I'll need an adapter, of course, but just until the peripheral makers fall in line.
 
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But laptops are also "all in one" computers, and they make up a far larger % of the market. The iMac is barely a blip on the radar compared to the millions of laptops with "non upgradable" screens... Now that we have the TB 3 / Displayport display tech, the best Apple can do is return (and improve) Target Display Mode to the next round of iMacs.
Laptops the way Apple makes them NOW are also an affront to the earth. Laptops the way Apple used to make them, were much less so, in that they are upgradeable, user serviceable, and still in use 6-10 years after going into service.
 
I guess because of all those who seem to hate Apple these days and are "turning" to Windows and Android I have to qualify that I came to Apple because of its device integration and general stability. However, I did not come to the Apple world because of its price. Frankly Apple has always been a premium priced product and since I wanted those traits I bought in.

Now the only comment I have about this thread and 2017 expectations is this, I think they're too high.

All I can see for the next 12 months is Mac Rumors being filled with writers who will bash even the slightest scratch or blemish in Apple's product lines. And yet I wonder how many of these writers will actually put down the green backs (or whatever the color of your funds are), even if they met every expectation out there?

Me thinks some of the loudest complainers couldn't afford a cup of coffee from 7-11 let alone the latest Mac Pro.

I'm staying with Apple for awhile longer and if the new iPhone does not improve significantly over my 6 (not 6s) I'll wait another cycle.
 
Take this for what it is worth, but I have it on good authority that the Mac Pro will be killed off by Apple. There will not be any more updates.
As one whose career is heavily dependant on workstation level computing power, it saddens me greatly, but I believe this prognosis to be true. Still hope it is wrong. :(
 
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I don't have expectations anymore.
Having them deceived me in 2016. Not having them will surely impress me most in 2017.
 
Has anybody condensed this down to a manageable time? Or at least a synopsis? 2+hours for a podcast is way to much time to sit and listen to folks banter about any topic, and I'm retired, you would think I would have the time.

I listen to them while driving to work some days, or making dinner. But don't think there's a condensed summary written out.
 
2017? Hmm lets see what can we reasonably expect.

New product releases comprising of updated Mac lines, a complete redesign of the iPhone (and probably one thats not so far from what we have now.) A new Apple TV, updates to the iPad Pro line and the death of the current iPad mini (Mini Pro?) New iOS and macOS. We'll lets face it, basically everything we would expect given the past few years, quite a bit of incremental updates and not a vast amount of true out of nowhere innovation that we weren't really expecting thanks to leaks spoiling the surprise.

Constant, and I do mean constant, whinging, moaning, sour faced depressive oh my god it's the end of Apple I've had enough of this arse gravy and instead I'm going to spend just as much as a new MacBook Pro costs on a Microsoft Surface Book instead, that's the future man Apple haven't got a clue anymore Steve must be rolling in his grave, Tim is running Apple into the ground, he should be replaced immediately with a supercomputer hosting the brain of Steve, it's the only way I tells ya, the only way. And so on and so on :rolleyes:

Oh, and a teeny weeny, ickle little bit of, actually I rather like the new <insert Apple product here> it's better than it's predecessor, just about managing to break through the thousands of threads comprised of the previous paragraph.


Is that it? That's what's happening next year isn't it, basically this year but with a 7 instead of a 6 at the end? What do I win :p
 
just realized I have not upgraded any of my apple products this year.
I've upgraded two Macs -- in the sense of adding SSD. Because I bought them both before Apple decided that the consumer had no right to such a sacrilege. The only actual Apple hardware purchase was a new battery for a white unibody one month before they end-of-lifed the model.
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I don't work on the internals of my car, doesn't mean I don't want them to be repairable or upgradeable at a reasonable cost. I'd be mighty pissed if I had to buy a new car if my battery packed up and the battery was only available for 5 years.
If Jony Ive designed a car, its tires would be welded in place. Tires run out of tread? Sorry, you have to buy a whole new car.
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But laptops are also "all in one" computers, and they make up a far larger % of the market.
Yes -- but they also don't have any feasible way to be passed on from one machine to the next. With an external monitor, all you have to do is unplug the old machine and put the new machine in. Laptops have had built-in screens from the beginning. The desktop Mac started with one, then abandoned it, and now has gone back to it for no defensible reason.
 
I would like to see more manufacturing come to the U.S. by Apple in 2017 :)
I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's something really hard to make happen.
I'm sorry to say this but the manufacturing expertise is mainly in Asia as of today. And of course, cheap labour and crazy schedules won't help the case either.
One of the only ways I can see manufacturing come back to American territory is to automate whole assembly lines. So not a lot of jobs will be created, if this is what you're aiming for.
 
I feel that Apple is doing the best they can given their current structure and given the resources at their disposal. It's not a question that can be answered with a simple yes or no.

What I feel is that people look at one aspect of Apple on its own, form their own opinions and then conclude that Apple is either winning or losing the plot because of it. The iPhone garnered 90+% of the phone profits! Airpods delayed! MBP delayed! Mac Pro possibly canceled! Apple is _______ because ________! None of us are wrong, but Apple too has its own long term plans and doesn't exist to serve any one of us in a vacuum either.

When I look at what Apple is doing in its entirety, I see a company who is slowly but surely gravitating towards what they believe will be the next big thing. The things we are criticizing Apple for, I feel they are simply growing pains as Apple prepares to leave older markets behind and enter new ones. And I feel we need to be understanding in this area.

Apple is rapidly growing its ecosystem (within such a short period of time, we have a new Apple TV, Apple Watch, airpods, Apple Music, revamped Siri, iMessage and iCloud photos). And the price to be paid for this is that Apple clearly has had to neglect the development of the Mac. One person might be willing to give this all up in exchange for a better Mac Pro. Others may not be so accommodating.

This doesn't mean that Apple is incompetent for neglecting the Mac, it just means that they made a conscious decision to prioritize the development of other aspects of the Apple ecosystem (such as iOS) which they felt were still in their infancy and so needed the attention more, over macOS and the Mac (which are, imo, pretty much mature and complete). In short, it's an informed decision, not one necessarily borne out of incompetence or hubris.

On a tangent regarding your point on bad decisions,

If it's one thing Steve Jobs brought to the organization, it was a healthy dose of "common sense". He somehow had a knack for being able to see what a product ought to look like at the end and guide people accordingly.

It's like someone coaching you on how to ride a bicycle vs you figuring it out yourself. Sure, without a coach, you probably might take longer, and maybe suffer more falls and injuries in the process, but in the end, you will still learn how to ride a bicycle, instructor or no instructor. So falling down and scrapping your knee might be a bad thing at that particular period in time, but when you consider that constitutes part of the whole learning process, maybe it's not such a bad thing after all when you look back at it in hindsight.

I don't think Apple is that much worse off with Steve. Yes, without a man like Steve Jobs telling Apple engineers what to do next, Apple will (and has) make more mistakes. And Apple will learn from those mistakes and become wiser for it. There are things that even a simpleton can teach a scholar, after all.

For example, watchOS 3 was essentially Apple rebooting the Apple Watch project after numerous false starts. Under Steve Jobs, the Apple Watch would probably have launched with the equivalent of watchOS 3 right from the start, saving Apple the hassle of having to redesign their software from scratch (which I am sure entailed no small amount of resources and manpower).

So in a sense, yes, it was a bad decision to release the original Apple Watch as is, but it's also part of the learning process. And ultimately, I feel that Apple will still end up at the same destination, with or without Steve Jobs. It might take longer without him, but Apple will still get there eventually.

I hope I am not babbling, but I find I can't really answer your question with a simple sentence.
I haven't had time yet to read through this thread and any responses to this post. But I wanted to say I find it to be well reasoned and well written. Some haters are going to hate what you wrote because many of us have had our share of disappointments and frustrations with Apple for the past few years. However, if we step back and try to analyze logically and put our emotions and expectations aside, it's not that hard to see the merit in your thoughts on the subject.

People want Tim Cook's head on a platter. I've been frustrated with him myself. But he's pulled off something of a personal and professional miracle in not only keeping Apple going in the wake of the loss of its founder and visionary, but also transforming it from a computer company from California to a global presence, inserting itself into some extremely protectionist territories. I see signs that he is trying to establish a long range vision for Apple.

Anyway, time will tell.

I don't think very many people are around that can step into his position with the myriad of complex responsibilities and challenges he has faced and do that much better. What Steve had and what Steve was is simply irreplaceable. Any person trying to fill those shoes would need time and some trial and error to do things even half as well as Tim Cook has managed.

However, I do think a lot of the ill will Apple is garnering these days could be avoided if someone would just stuff a sock in Phil Schiller's mouth. Just sayin'. ;)
 
Just go ahead and say it: there will never be a new Mac Pro or Mac Mini.

Tearing off the band-aid is better than dragging things out.

It's really NOT ok for that to happen. iMacs are great desktops. They make really pitiful servers.

I could easily live without the Mac Pro if we got a new XServe, but there's no way to work around the mini for small servers.
 
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As an enterprise customer that has built their entire business on Apple products the past 30+ years, We do not have the luxury of being understanding in this area. Unfortunately, for us pro's, "the next best thing" doesn't put food on our plate. For the time being we must rely on those old things called computers.

The point of paying a premium for Apple products is the problem free (well less problem free lately) ecosystem between all products. From our iPhones and iPads, to our Mac mini servers and airport routers, right down to our work horse MacPro's. Allowing us to concentrate on our work rather than the technology more than makes up for the extra costs we pay Apple.

The problem is we've been waiting 6 years to update our aging and dying 12 core 2010 MacPro's. We purchased one 2013 MacPro to try out and there was virtually no improvement in rendering speeds, yet they were double the price of our 2010 models. So month by month we kept waiting for a speed bump. Both Dell and HP have updated their workstations twice since 2013 and currently offer 44 core systems. When Apple announced their Mac Event at the end of 2016, we were sure a Mac Pro update was imminent. Nope, not even a mention... That silence was deafening to us and triggered a stop order on all future purchases of any Apple product.

We use iPhones and iPads to automatically sync notes and photos to our pro machines. If we have to switch our Mac Pro's to Dell or HP workstations, we have no reason to buy Macbook Pros, iMacs, iPads or iPhones. We will be switching those to surface's and window phones for easier integration and lower cost. I know, windows sucks and we don't want to leave, but as other pointed out, Apple is pushing us out the door by neglecting us.

So I get that consumers who are okay with outdated tech and slow updates get upset at seeing all the negativity. Trust me, I use to be a die hard fan boy too. But when your PC using competition is blowing you out of the water because their tech is far far superior to yours and it starts costing you big dollars, you would show a little displeasure too.

2017 is the year that things better start popping out this long dragged out pipeline or I really won't care any more. More specifically, no Mac Pro by March and you can put a fork in it. Thanks Tim for ruining Apple.
That's a very well written response to @Abazigal

It's so good to see some thoughtful discussion on this forum again instead of knee jerk sniping.

There are definitely many good points to be made on all sides of this discussion.
 
I guess because of all those who seem to hate Apple these days and are "turning" to Windows and Android I have to qualify that I came to Apple because of its device integration and general stability. However, I did not come to the Apple world because of its price. Frankly Apple has always been a premium priced product and since I wanted those traits I bought in.

Now the only comment I have about this thread and 2017 expectations is this, I think they're too high.

All I can see for the next 12 months is Mac Rumors being filled with writers who will bash even the slightest scratch or blemish in Apple's product lines. And yet I wonder how many of these writers will actually put down the green backs (or whatever the color of your funds are), even if they met every expectation out there?

Me thinks some of the loudest complainers couldn't afford a cup of coffee from 7-11 let alone the latest Mac Pro.

I'm staying with Apple for awhile longer and if the new iPhone does not improve significantly over my 6 (not 6s) I'll wait another cycle.

Unfortunately, the assessment "Apple is expensive" isn't really true. Maybe you are looking at bargain PC computers to compare but if you compare workstation- or professional-class computer lines (mobile and desktop) from the big PC makers, Apple products look like bargains. My HP computer, as configured costs $6500. If you compare top-end boutique laptops from Clevo, MSI, Boxx etc that cost in the region of $4000-$7000 depending on options, well... Android flagship phones cost the same as an iPhone too.

The problem with Apple now is that consumers are waking up to the fact that Apple products seem too expensive for what you get. Certainly, what idiot buys a 2013 Mac Pro today for the same price it has been selling at since debut? That, and buy it after all the reports of the bugs and insufficient cooling with graphics cards burning out? Not me, and, I suspect, a whole lot of other people.
 
Don't care for iOS devices. Haven't paid much attention to smartphones in general. I WANT REAL DESKTOP COMPUTING! Not disposable stuff like another iPhone and another iPhone that milks the design for another three years anyway. Gets tiresome.

Please give me a "12 rMacBook with touchbar and much better battery life than the 2015/2016 and current MBP and charge it for $999.99. This is the real replacement for the "11 & "13 2015 MacBook Airs. I want another Mac and hope Sony finally offers us a $199 PS4 Slim which likely happens heading in its 4th birthday. For sure 2017 will be a much more memorable year in tech than 2016.
 
WHAT ... who can ever forget Phil Schiller strutting across the stage and uttering defiantly

"Can't innovate, my ass"
The best line ever, I loved it.
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Don't care for iOS devices. Haven't paid much attention to smartphones in general. I WANT REAL DESKTOP COMPUTING! Not disposable stuff like another iPhone and another iPhone that milks the design for another three years anyway. Gets tiresome.

Please give me a "12 rMacBook with touchbar and much better battery life than the 2015/2016 and current MBP and charge it for $999.99. This is the real replacement for the "11 & "13 2015 MacBook Airs. I want another Mac and hope Sony finally offers us a $199 PS4 Slim which likely happens heading in its 4th birthday. For sure 2017 will be a much more memorable year in tech than 2016.
these "disposable" devices are supported for 5 years, and from my circle I've seen people get a new phone every year to every 4 years.

My own benchmark for "real desktop computing" is an sp4. To each their own.
 
Hey Jony,

Is that you?
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Sir,

You get "it". Unfortunately, Tim either doesn't get "it" or does and simply doesn't care.

My instincts is that he's just marking time until all of his stock options are vested. On his worst day such as being fired for cause, he'll still win. Hence, he could work his ass off like Steve did or he can just drive the company into the ground and bail with a golden parachute. Either way, I just don't think it matters to him.

RIP Apple Inc.
The man offered to be an organ donor to Steve to try and help prolong his life. I think he cares. I think he's just taken on more than any one person can reasonably handle well. And he struggles with being "not Steve Jobs." He was a logistics specialist, not a visionary. Many people could do a helluva lot worse in his shoes.

You could very well be correct, but it seems there is more evidence that he cares about Apple and is passionate about Apple, but just has to undertake the most arduous on-the-job training a person could in stepping into the shoes of a legend.
 
- Not interested in AIOs
- Not interested in iPhone
- Not interested in ultrabooks
- Not interested in ridiculous desktops
- Not interested in M.2 drives without MVMe
- Not interested in 2.5" drives with less than 3TB
- Not interested in 3.5" drives with less than 8TB
- Not interested in desktop CPUs with less than 8 cores
- Not interested in tablets smaller than 12" or with Windows
- Not interested in TVs that are less than 70" 3D 4K HDR direct-lit quantum dot smart
- Not interested in monitors that are less than 40" 3D 8K HDR or bigger than 48" [TV will do]
- Not interested in routers with less than 2Gbps WAN, 12 ports (at least 4 10Gb), and ac [or with a fan]
- Not interested in laptops with less than 4x DDR4, 8 threads, TB3, DP 1.4, ethernet, LTE-A, 4K, 2x M.2 and 1x 2.5"
 
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I haven't had time yet to read through this thread and any responses to this post. But I wanted to say I find it to be well reasoned and well written. Some haters are going to hate what you wrote because many of us have had our share of disappointments and frustrations with Apple for the past few years. However, if we step back and try to analyze logically and put our emotions and expectations aside, it's not that hard to see the merit in your thoughts on the subject.

People want Tim Cook's head on a platter. I've been frustrated with him myself. But he's pulled off something of a personal and professional miracle in not only keeping Apple going in the wake of the loss of its founder and visionary, but also transforming it from a computer company from California to a global presence, inserting itself into some extremely protectionist territories. I see signs that he is trying to establish a long range vision for Apple.

Anyway, time will tell.

I don't think very many people are around that can step into his position with the myriad of complex responsibilities and challenges he has faced and do that much better. What Steve had and what Steve was is simply irreplaceable. Any person trying to fill those shoes would need time and some trial and error to do things even half as well as Tim Cook has managed.

However, I do think a lot of the ill will Apple is garnering these days could be avoided if someone would just stuff a sock in Phil Schiller's mouth. Just sayin'. ;)

I don't want Tim Cook's head on a platter.

I want Jony Ive's head on a platter.

Enough of the thin fetish. Every machine Apple makes has been made too thin or too small. We need power, not shrinkage.

And it's not Intel's fault. They make more powerful chips. You can't blame it on Nvidia or AMD either. The current laptops are irreparably compromised because Ive wanted to take away one more millimeter. The Mac "Pro" is a cruel joke, the cheese grater case was wonderful, the trash can is trash. Even the iMac is too thin, every other computer manufacturer knows how to install accessible RAM sockets and drive bays, Apple has forgotten how.

No, this is a rogue industrial designer gone bad, and he needs to be stopped.

It's not enough to have a vision. Your vision needs to not be something utterly stupid.
 
I've seen a lot of discussion on Apple adding a third iPhone "High End" option next year. I just don't think this will be in the cards. There are too many folks who are on the iPhone plan where they can trade in for a new one - being that the 7+ is the premier phone, Apple would further agitate customers who are expecting to be able to trade in for the newest + model, only to find out that they are not eligible for this.

Having just added two more + models in this manner, I would be a little disappointed.
 
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