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No surprises here. When you only refresh one computer in the last year (more likely in the last >365 days!), when you raise the price of the iPad just by adding a "pro" to the name and by adding the compatibility with accessories which also have to be bought separately, when you leave people uncertain about some product lines (iPad mini, Mac Pro, Mac Mini), then numbers wink go down... Give us great products and we will buy them, it is sooooo easy !

Yup! Not rocket science. Miss the drive Apple had under Steve Jobs. Don't get me wrong. I love the Apple products I have now but there just isn't the push we used to have.
 
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Apple is in a bit of weird spot lately.

Personally, I think the problem is that computers have reached their logical end. You can only invent email so many times, before your innovations just become pointless/waste of money.

Point in case, I use a low end 11" MacBook Air from 2011/12. With the exception of the battery, which I plan on replacing tomorrow, I don't see the need to upgrade. The computer is by no means slow and it does everything I want it to. I don't anticipate having to buy a new Macbook for another 2-3 years. The computer will be pushing 6-8 years by that point. I suspect this is true for most people -- there just aren't enough die hard Mac fans who replace their laptops every year to warrant spending billions of dollars reinventing a box that essentially will do the same thing for most people. It can't get much smaller, or simpler, and while it can get faster, few people realistically need the added power. Most people don't care about i5,i7, Haswell or how many cores a computer has.

I want to note that 10-15 years ago, it was normal to upgrade a computer every 2 years because the differences were that noticeable. Today not so much. 95% of those who own macs use them to email, surf the net, look at Facebook and write the Reports/essays etc.

The same thing is happening in the cellphone market. There's very little innovation happening anymore, on both the android side and iOS side. Most new things coming out are just gimmicks (things like samsung's curved edges). People aren't upgrading as much.

So what does that leave?

I think apple is quite right to go in the services area. People are still going to buy their devices (albeit at a slower rate, because they aren't replacing them as often). But at least with services, they'll continue to be making money off a hardware purchase that's 3-4 years old.

The problem is that apple's history of providing compelling services is spotty at best. And does it really make sense to make your services exclusive to your proprietary platform? You're services need to be very compelling for that to work.

And thats the catch 22. Apple has developed a business model that depends on a reputation for innovating. If Apple is releasing fewer "amazing" products, will people lose interest and look elsewhere... negatively impacting the demand for their services?

It's a question of finding the right balance.. I think that's what we're seeing right now...
 
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Tim Cook seems to be a delegator. So look t the people he put in charge of those groups.[/QUOTE]

What do you mean how? You sound as if you have no business / corporate / organizational experience. The CEO is where the buck stops. If Cook put those people in charge and they failed - he owns it.
 
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[doublepost=1469556690][/doublepost]These are always my favorite threads on MR. Armchair Analysts, Assemble!

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Not sure what that's supposed to mean, but I do know that compared to Cook, Steve was practically a blabbermouth. Cook has nailed the lid on tighter than Steve ever could or did. The rumors sites are gasping for O2, leaving some to assume that nothing is happening at Apple. I have no doubt that this is completely not the case. Apple's new product development cycles are about the same as they've always been (long). Nothing has changed except that we are hearing less and less of substance about what they are developing. Confusing a lack of knowledge for knowing something is alway going to be a mistake. I see a lot of people making it.

It's fairly obvious what I mean. Steve Jobs was more hands on than most CEO out there.

What do you mean how? You sound as if you have no business / corporate / organizational experience. The CEO is where the buck stops. If Cook put those people in charge and they failed - he owns it.

And you sound like you just want to blame Cook for the mistakes of others.
 
Wow, people have really lost the ability to think critically, or all but the trolls have fled this echo chamber. Tim Cook doing a bad job? Seriously? "Social Justice Warrior" nonsense gets the most upvotes? Really? Frightened straight white males even here? And nobody calls them on it?
 
Wow, people have really lost the ability to think critically, or all but the trolls have fled this echo chamber. Tim Cook doing a bad job? Seriously? "Social Justice Warrior" nonsense gets the most upvotes? Really? Frightened straight white males even here? And nobody calls them on it?

Racist
 
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It's fairly obvious what I mean. Steve Jobs was more hands on than most CEO out there.

A statement like that can mean almost anything. Steve Jobs was a walking, talking set of personal quirks. He was not like other people in any number of ways, so it was an honest question about why you thought that was important to say. BTW from all reports I've heard, Cook is just as down in the weeds as Steve ever was, he just doesn't have the rock star personality to convince you that it's true.
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Because I have worked with a lot of Fortune 500 CEO's and its their job.

No I am talking about your advertised inside knowledge of what is happening at Apple.
 
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It seems like all designers of Apple are decorating the shops and new campus. They are too busy with deciding what color carpet they should use, having meetings about the furniture. No time for designing or updating the products they're making or even adjusting the prices of aging technologies. The case of the MacPro will be used for flowers. Just kidding of course, but I can't name any tech company that is so sllllooooooowww as Aplle has been lately. I'm still confident they're writing black numbers later but I do hope that they're well aware that in the technology business you'll have to keep investing to stay on top. They're lagging for so long on all fronts hard-and software that it's only justified they decrease in every catogory they're in. For getting more out your services you have to sell more. Not squeeze and alienate your most loyal customers.
 
maybe they will take this to heart and better their hardware and software....doubtful thoughts
 
A statement like that can mean almost anything. Steve Jobs was a walking, talking set of personal quirks. He was not like other people in any number of ways, so it was an honest question about why you thought that was important to say. BTW from all reports I've heard, Cook is just as down in the weeds as Steve ever was, he just doesn't have the rock star personality to convince you that it's true.
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No I am talking about your advertised inside knowledge of what is happening at Apple.

So do you think Tim Cook is the type that would call a developer on Sunday because the font doesn't look just right?
 
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It seems like all designers of Apple are decorating the shops and new campus. They are too busy with deciding what color carpet they should use, having meetings about the furniture. No time for designing or updating the products they're making or even adjusting the prices of aging technologies. The case of the MacPro will be used for flowers. Just kidding of course, but I can't name any tech company that is so sllllooooooowww as Aplle has been lately. I'm still confident they're writing black numbers later but I do hope that they're well aware that in the technology business you'll have to keep investing to stay on top. They're lagging for so long on all fronts hard-and software that it's only justified they decrease in every catogory they're in. For getting more out your services you have to sell more. Not squeeze and alienate your most loyal customers.

You actually bring up an important point -- even if you're half joking. A lot of us are forgetting that the entire company is preparing to move into a new building. The logistics of that must be mind boggling -- and doing that without disrupting your business would be, I imagine, next to impossible. At best it would have to be disruptive.
 
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I'm very bullish on AAPL moving forward. We're looking at a massive product refresh in the next few months, and there is huge anticipation and demand for updates to the Mac line, iPhone, Apple Watch and maybe even iPad.

Apple's best days are still ahead.

It's so nice of you to join us, Tim. :)

I hope someone will hold Tim's feet to the fire and ask him why the Mac line has been so neglected for so long.
With the expected reply being "great products in the pipeline, yada yada yada"
 
So do you think Tim Cook is the type that would call a developer on Sunday because the font doesn't look just right?

Beats me, but either way, it seems like you are assuming that the very specific type of obsessional behavior that Steve Jobs exhibited is the magic sauce for running a successful company.
 
I'm very bullish on AAPL moving forward. We're looking at a massive product refresh in the next few months, and there is huge anticipation and demand for updates to the Mac line, iPhone, Apple Watch and maybe even iPad.

Apple's best days are still ahead.
Been hearing that for a couple of years now and back when they introduced the new Mac Pro (aka trash bin) supposedly "can't innovate anymore my ass" proved me wrong, or so they say... (let's not get into the details how limited the nMP is. Let's just assume it was a great pro machine)

So... 3 years later the same damn model is still around with no refresh.

So... even when Apple drops a bomb these days, I'm never sure anymore how serious they are about it and how the sneaky little details screw me over this time.

Did you know about all the work they invest to make independent repair harder and harder?
Mind you, nothing that makes the product nicer to look at, this is before considering the idiocy of claiming to be a "green company" and glueing in batteries.
I'm talking about Apple Hardware test basically beginning to only tell you to take it to Apple. Period.
**** you and your nosiness trying to find out what's wrong with the machine yourself.

I hope Apple gets the bill for their shady practices sooner than later, because I still love their products to some degree, even though they are doing an amazing job at removing all the emotional attachment I've been having for them for so long.
That attachment is one of the biggest competitive advantages a company can have.
If you screw with your legacy too much however...

I'm not loving Apple for their logo and their brand names, but for the quality, fit and finish and UX I seem to be getting less and less from.

I don't see any indicators for a turn around under Cook's leadership, because he's been sailing that way for quite some time now.

It's so nice of you to join us, Tim. :)

I hope someone will hold Tim's feet to the fire and ask him why the Mac line has been so neglected for so long.
With the expected reply being "great products in the pipeline, yada yada yada"
The reason you see so few tough questions being asked is because Apple controls very wisely who is talking to whom in their company and when and about what.
They leave nothing to chance and if there is any one guy getting close to asking uncomfortable questions it's Walt Mossberg.
Why? Because he's always been very sympathetic to Apple and was friends I think you could say with Steve Jobs and that obviously carried over.
Even HIM though is beginning to see Apple slack left and right.

Glassed Silver:mac
 
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It seems like all designers of Apple are decorating the shops and new campus. They are too busy with deciding what color carpet they should use, having meetings about the furniture. No time for designing or updating the products they're making or even adjusting the prices of aging technologies. The case of the MacPro will be used for flowers. Just kidding of course, but I can't name any tech company that is so sllllooooooowww as Aplle has been lately. I'm still confident they're writing black numbers later but I do hope that they're well aware that in the technology business you'll have to keep investing to stay on top. They're lagging for so long on all fronts hard-and software that it's only justified they decrease in every catogory they're in. For getting more out your services you have to sell more. Not squeeze and alienate your most loyal customers.
Apple is very slow lately.
They are lazy and complacent, fat on a 230 billion dollar bank account.
I like them so much more when they were the underdog, TBH.
They used to put customer experience number one. Now the priority seems to be how to scape every last dime off the counter.
 
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Hardware and software are a tough comparison considering one's physical while the other is not. I'm willing to bet that the rumors are fairly accurate considering the amount of leaks we've seen thus far. If you account for most iPhone releases (with the exception of the iPhone 5), these leaks have been fairly indicative of the final product.
Nothing we've seen is indicative of any product.

This site and others have spent weeks reposting the same picture of the back of the phone.
How often do you look at the back of your iPhone?

They are desperate to know anything substantial and so far have squat.
 
Nothing we've seen is indicative of any product.

This site and others have spent weeks reposting the same picture of the back of the phone.
How often do you look at the back of your iPhone?

They are desperate to know anything substantial and so far have squat.
So you're doubling down on the whole "the new iPhone won't be anything like what's rumored" thing? Impressive.
 
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