When you start considering yield problems, 10x is a real possibility. It's much harder to make a perfect 27" than a 15". Triple the surface area is triple the chance for error.
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What to expect from iMac 2012 - Discussion
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When you start considering yield problems, 10x is a real possibility. It's much harder to make a perfect 27" than a 15". Triple the surface area is triple the chance for error.
I've read that thing.
First, we're not talking about 50'' panels where risk of ruining a panel in production is high so price is high too. We're talking about 27'' panel.
Estimated prices of other panels pretty much give you an idea of how price of the panel rises as size of panel is getting bigger.
Edit: it's not me downvoting your comments.
9.7'' 2048x1536 display, total area: 45.19 square in. Estimated price: $87
15.4'' 2880x1800 display, total area 106.6 square in. Estimated price: $160
See?
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O.K. So realistically how much do you think that a retina display on a iMac 27inch (about 1/2 the size of a 50 inch tv) would cost and why?
Also do you agree that currently retina displays cost grows exponentially in relation to the screen size?
O.K. So realistically how much do you think that a retina display on a iMac 27inch (about 1/2 the size of a 50 inch tv) would cost and why?
Also do you agree that currently retina displays cost grows exponentially in relation to the screen size?
Its area is ~3 times smaller than 50'' 16:9 TV. 1067sq in. for TV vs. 311 sq in. for iMac.
I believe price should be something like ~$500 for panel itself. Shouldn't be more than $600 in any case. And it should be cheaper, because, hey - it's Apple. Buying literally tons of panels gets you one hell of a discount.
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Well thank you for clearing that up with me. I changed my thoughts on the original post. Your work here is done. Well thought out Randomoneh...well thought out
It's area is ~3 times smaller than 50'' 16:9 TV. 1067sq in. for TV vs. 311 sq in. for iMac.
I believe price should be something like ~$500 for panel itself. Shouldn't be more than $600 in any case. And it should be cheaper, because, hey - it's Apple. Buying literally tons of panels gets you one hell of a discount.
Well thank you for clearing that up with me. I changed my thoughts on the original post. Your work here is done. Well thought out Randomoneh...well thought out
Sure why notWell thank you for clearing that up with me. I changed my thoughts on the original post. Your work here is done. Well thought out Randomoneh...well thought out
'Find My iMac'
Now where did I put the damn thing? Will be a question of the past
My two USB 3 2TB externals turned up today
now for the Netgear N900 and then I'm ready. How about you Apple? Pweease be July...I can not imagine how will a HD video look in a 5k display, I guess it will look so blurry, nearly un watchable. Now imagine how all those DVD's (SD) you have will look like.. In order to actually enjoy such a resolution people will require 4k resolution which is absurd. Not even a Bluray can give you such resolution for a full length video.
So... people want 5k resolution, pay 600$~$1000 so that letters look more sharp?
So... people want 5k resolution, pay 600$~$1000 so that letters look more sharp?
Of course it will not look fantastic as it could if content was in higher resolution. But there is absolutely no reason why it should look horrible either. We're talking about video here. One pixel of content will be shown on several pixels on display and that's it.
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I would definitely like to see a retina display imac. I would also like to see a hdmi out as well as a thunderbolt port or two. I just wonder what tyoe of graphics card it would require to run all those pixels.
We are just at the begibning of the retina world, bit it does look promising.
We are just at the begibning of the retina world, bit it does look promising.
Whilst I would one day like to see a retina iMac, I can't see it being an ideal situation at the moment. If you look at how much strain the rMBP graphics card is put under, I can only see that a 21" or 27" iMac would simply not cope at the moment. That said, I think it will happen one day. As for the 2012, I just hope it comes out soon.
Even though this is software (as is Siri really), I'd be interested in being able to run iOS apps in the dashboard in place of widgets, but I know that won't happen as it would mean less hardware sales and also it's too similar to Metro/Windows 8 Classic. However, I think that this would be the way it should go... Launchpad is useless and Dashboard has been replaced by my iPhone.
Even though this is software (as is Siri really), I'd be interested in being able to run iOS apps in the dashboard in place of widgets, but I know that won't happen as it would mean less hardware sales and also it's too similar to Metro/Windows 8 Classic. However, I think that this would be the way it should go... Launchpad is useless and Dashboard has been replaced by my iPhone.
Yeah I could see that happening, and if it does I'll just wait until next year.
You'll be waiting till your old and grey
Its area is ~3 times smaller than 50'' 16:9 TV. 1067sq in. for TV vs. 311 sq in. for iMac.
I believe price should be something like ~$500 for panel itself. Shouldn't be more than $600 in any case. And it should be cheaper, because, hey - it's Apple. Buying literally tons of panels gets you one hell of a discount.
Very nice sir! I don't remember exactly, but I think the panel for the iMac when they moved to the 21.5 and 27 inch form factor was around $900 US correct?
Also, people are citing the rMBP and it's graphics issues as a reason why the iMac would not work... I've been reading other posts in the forums and saw mentioned that 3200x1800 (16:9 aspect ratio) could be a possibility. This would make sense and is not much higher in terms of pixel density from where we currently are. Also, we're not talking a 650m here... we're more likely looking at a 680m.
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We're looking at double the bus width, more memory, higher TDP... I think a 680m could handle a 3200x1800 resolution far better than a 650 can handle a 2880x1800.
And before anyone jumps on smaller "working" screen real estate... Resolution independence with apple is in it's infancy, we need to be patient and allow them to update their apps to take advantage of what their hardware will allow
I agree, I don't understand why people nay-say retina screens because they don't want to pay a little more for it. The truth is Apple will initially give it's customers an option to by a device with/without retina. Apple likes to initiate trends in markets and innovate technology. As more and more competitors begin to offer HiDPI the cost of screens will go down and, eventually, every developer will have to develop software to utilize the technology. I think people are really just upset about the fact that Apple is changing our lives with emerging technologies before everyone else jumps on the bandwagon, and therefore it appears as though Apple can't manufacture something worth the extra money.
No I think they are mad because they are making a lot of people wait when the rest of the system's tech is past due and actually kind of getting old. A smart buyer can follow the industry and recognize leaps in tech standards, not just optimizations, and can try to buy in after a jump. Even though things continue to optimize, you retain COMPATIBILITY for a longer period of time. Right now, I couldnt imagine buying without USB3. It's nonesense to me.
What's sad is that while we wait, perhaps for apple to make retina displays, the rest of Ivy Bridge is becoming less fresh. It may well be that we're well into the cycle before they release the iMac.
Although my same argument about compatibility and tech leaps can be applied to the imac... people who arent drawn in by the marketing are well aware of what they are "giving up" by wanting a non-retina. I'll take the better performing non-retina any day. The display looks great as is.
mojothemonkey, while I agree with a lot of what you say, I think this forum is generally frequented by informed consumers who love knowing what is happening currently in the tech world. There once was a day when Apple was mostly for the "creative" but that is no longer where the money is for them. It's sad but true. We often forget, Apple is a business and there's always a strategy they follow.
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Loose the chin?
Does anyone think that losing the chin could happen this year? Or if it is even a big deal?
Does anyone think that losing the chin could happen this year? Or if it is even a big deal?
first off there would have to be a redesign which i dont really see it happening unless they do hold off imacs until october. Even then the chance for a redesign is small. The chin i think looks fine on the imac, i don't know if it serves a purpose or just there for looks. It holds the logo nicely which defines it as imac just by looking at it once ahaha.
Anyone know what is behind the chin?
Personally i don't think its a big deal but they could make use of that space for expanding the screen or something?
I Personally would love it if they got rid of it and provided the same look as the thunder bolt display. In my opinion, I believe that the only thing stopping it is the removable RAM slot at the bottom.
I read somewhere on these forums that the chin helps balance the weight of the monitor. Also, there's some important stuff behind there. Just watch the ifixit tear down video and you'll see why. Removing the chin would need a major redesign, it's not like you can just move stuff around to get rid of it. There is a lot of maths and such for airflow to meet the necessary cooling requirements. Port positions are linked to motherboard position as well as the power plug running to the power supply unit... Getting the picture? It's not so easy to move it just for cosmetic purposes.
I have a gut feeling next year will see the iMac redesign for this years model most definitely Ivy Bridge and USB 3.0 maybe it might drop firewire and don't forget bluetooth 4.0 and mountain lion preinstalled.
If i my guess comes true next years model will get the retina display bump, and anti glare screen it will copy the macbook pro and drop the optical drive god help me lol, making it slimmer, and possible making everything flash but i doubt all flash will happen next year.
If i my guess comes true next years model will get the retina display bump, and anti glare screen it will copy the macbook pro and drop the optical drive god help me lol, making it slimmer, and possible making everything flash but i doubt all flash will happen next year.
This is why I'm waiting, I checked the scores and all but the top BTO 27" i7 is slower than the 15" MBP. Why would I pay the same money for an iMac that is slower, just for the bigger screen? Yes I know there is more but when I'm laying out more than $2k on and iMac I want something faster than the same cost MBP. The Ivy Bridge CPUs should do that.
ETA - I hope they don't drop FW in the 2012 update (they didn't on the MBP updates) and I'll need it to transfer from my G5.