What to Expect From the Next-Generation 14-Inch and 16-Inch MacBook Pro

Is this what we are expecting? Please Apple add the Midnight Color.

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Not happening. Apple seems to believe business customers are boring. Which probably means that they are, given that they have infinitely more data to base that on than you and me…

Windows PC’s are available in any colour, yet “9 out of 10” business people use a black plastic Lenovo.

(Figure of speech, I know that’s not actually their market share).
 
Here's how it will play out:
  1. Performance: Better than most of us are anticipating given that MacRumors has been trailing for months that it'll be a minor boost. This is how it'll be framed by reviewers, too–"Better than we thought and very good considering it's last-generation fab technology." I really think in recent months Apple's been furiously tweaking the chip power levels (and maybe even the microcode) to try and match AMD's 7000 x-less series performance levels. Apple had planned much less of a speed bump, and had anticipated a release last year based on this—but things are moving fast in the CPU world.
  2. Cost: Small price increases, and the shifting of the M1 Max/Pro to second tier offering at a slightly lower price. This might be because of chip shortages.
  3. Battery life: Poorer than old models because of the voltage increase for performance, and an adjusted fan curve to deal with extra heat, that means the fan's likely to activate more frequently. Apple will massage the figures to make it seem almost as good as the old models (e.g. the classic video playback figure). But absolutely no reviewers will note the poor battery life, or if they do they'll not consider it a big deal. People on forums like this will complain about it – but it will still be largely ignored. Plus, 90% of people keep their MBP plugged in 24/7 anyway. Apple knows this from its telemetry.
Would I buy one? No. If I'm right about the last minute chip voltage modifications and ensuing heat generation then that's a red flag. Plus, I do use the battery, and with Rosetta 2 banished from the system and only native Apple Silicon apps, battery life is pretty excellent on my M1 Max (despite showing just 94% manufactured battery capacity after just six months of use).
 
just saw the specs on UK apple page...pretty nice. still happy with my M1 MBA...really looking forward to the M2 Mini, though...hopefully in the next month or so.
 
One thing is for sure. There will be no hdmi 2.1 ports. Only the outdated hdmi 2.0.

How can one be sure? you might think. There is no support for hdmi 2.1 in Ventura till date.
 
No Face ID
No Dynamic Island

Currently, It’s a wasted space or it's just a design. Maybe Apple is saving space for Apple's unannounced AR/VR headsets?
hmmm I wonder if their goal is to bring dynamic island to the mac one day.

On the iPhone the screen space is so limited.. a few saved pixels here and there and extra functionality go a long way.

But on an iMac it's not so clear.

I'd love for there to be a Dynamic Island, but I think we are more likely to see a notch "shrinking in size" for a couple years atleast.
 
Have been waiting for M2 MAX for a while, as I never buy the 1st gen of any apple launches :)
I hope this one does not disappoint. Faster RAM, processor, wifi 6E, HDMI 2.1 will be good to have. I hope they do not increase the price too much.
 
Curious on the cooling and how the M2 will fare in these notebooks plus battery drain. Remember the heating on the m2 mba..
I have an MBA M2 and works like a dream, for not having a active cooling it doesn't get very warm even playing Resident Evil Village in 1080p max graphics.
 
What about HDMI 2.1? They have to at least add support for that, right?

Would be really strange to not have HDMI 2.1 on a product released 2023, but when I think about that 5400 RPM hard drive Apple had lingering in the iMacs for so long I'm also not too optimistic. But a little. :)

The current MacBook Pro is fully compliant with HDMI 2.1, because there are ZERO new requirements over HDMI 2.0 - only optional features.

It could only output 720p and that would still technically be HDMI 2.1 spec compliant. That is because HDMI is not a conformance suite of minimal required features - it is about vendor interoperability, so that another device that should be able to consume a 720p signal would do so.

If it can't do 4K@120 444 via the HDMI, that's a HARD PASS! DOA.

Yes, those are the actual questions people should be asking - whether it has specific HDMI features.

Alternatively you can look at certification marks, which require a certain set of features. AMD's FreeSync program has examples of three such marks. VESA's DisplayHDR program also contains a set of marks for displays, which are far more useful than just seeing a display advertise it has "HDR". I don't expect Apple to go for certification in most cases, although they do use the "thunderbolt" branding in some places which requires certification and a much larger minimal featureset over USB 3.x/USB4.
 
It’s a bit sad that Apple is at the point where their computers are so powerful and efficient, made with lasting materials, and priced competitively that changes and improvements they make annually are no longer exciting (to me at least).
Apple has always been a lot more slow/evolutionary than people want to admit. Most of their product design is on a 4-5 year cycle.

Likewise, they do not expect people to upgrade to every new iteration of any of their products.

My understanding is that during the Intel period of "is the Mac dead", the problem was that by the time they got new Intel parts into a computer (e.g. mapped Intel's roadmap to real availability and their claimed TDP to the actual thermals of the case design) they either missed their window or had a product which was no more compelling than what was already in the market.

Their schedule now would likely get boringly predictable, except that they may still get delays and cost surprises from being single-sourced for CPUs with TSMC.

The M1 really transformed their product lines and gave them enough headroom in processing power and efficiency to then focus on fixing some of the neglected components like the keyboard and screens. It seems like they’re going to need a few more years before there is anything ground-breaking done with the lineup, and we’ll see incremental improvements this year and next.
They'll tweak components in between design refreshes, but once we had butterfly keyboards we were basically stuck with them for five years. They got incrementally more reliable, but changing the keyboard depth basically required a full product redesign.

Same with screen tech. Once they put a panel in a laptop, they aren't going to happen upon a new panel that works. It will either be incremental improvements from the manufacturer, or an entirely new panel that Apple negotiated to be built. It's possible in the middle of a design run, but not common.

So it is a lot less that the M1 gave them headroom to focus on other things, and more that their design iterations were staged to happen during the Apple Silicon transition. Our late 2021 MacBook Pro was the from-scratch design refresh that took into account all the feedback and learning they had from the Touchbar/USB-C MacBook Pro, and incorporated new parts and tech like the notched screen.
 
I want it to come in Midnight like the Air most of all, but I doubt it will.

Just a spec bump from M1 to M2 would be a pass for me and likely a lot of others.
 
No.

Face ID components are twice as thick as the lid, and the DI wouldn’t work well with menu bar items you want to click on. Imagine trying to click on a menu bar item and it moves or disappears because the DI just got wider.
It could always lay over top the menu bar and not interrupt it.

Imagine if someone opened a drawer that was above a cabinet…
 
Good point, and I appreciate the tip about the sale. Thank you.

I did mention wanting the Pro, but to be honest I actually purchased a Windows laptop last year for less money than the MacBook Air and I upgraded the storage to 1TB for just $110 more. And it has a 90Hz OLED panel. I’d be hard pressed to go back to Apple any time soon when I can get this kind of value from another company. I hope to see Apple offer better value because that’d simply be great for everyone.
Value is subjective, maybe a 90hz display and upgradeable storage is top of your list. But ...

How many Nits is the display?
Did it have a unibody aluminum chassis?
Fanless?
Webcam?
Whats the weight ?
How's the battery life?
Speed?
Whats the trackpad like in comparison?

And of course ..Does it run MacOS?
 
The current MacBook Pro is fully compliant with HDMI 2.1, because there are ZERO new requirements over HDMI 2.0 - only optional features.

It could only output 720p and that would still technically be HDMI 2.1 spec compliant. That is because HDMI is not a conformance suite of minimal required features - it is about vendor interoperability, so that another device that should be able to consume a 720p signal would do so.

OK.
Apple at least said in their now revealed presentation that the M2 Max has ”more advanced HDMI”.

Edit:
  • Alongside new chips, the new MacBook Pros also include an updated HDMI port that now supports HDMI 2.1. HDMI 2.1 will allow the MacBook Pro to run a display up to 8K resolution at 60Hz.

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Value is subjective, maybe a 90hz display and upgradeable storage is top of your list. But ...

How many Nits is the display?
Did it have a unibody aluminum chassis?
Fanless?
Webcam?
Whats the weight ?
How's the battery life?
Speed?
Whats the trackpad like in comparison?

And of course ..Does it run MacOS?
Right. There’s subjective and objective aspects to a purchase like that. I would argue many manufactures offer objectively better value than Apple in a number of areas (i.e. - nobody in their right mind should try and defend Apple’s SSD and RAM prices for example). But some things are subjective.

I specifically wanted a Windows machine with a good design, non-obtrusive fan noise, a good screen for photo editing, upgradability/serviceability, and decent enough GPU for light/old games. The fact that I got all of that $540 open box at Best Buy has me smiling to this day.

My previous laptop was a MacBook Pro and it was my daily for twelve years. I could do everything on it. Work, video games, Boot Camp. I’ll likely never own a computer that good again. The fact of the matter is that the Apple of 2010 isn’t the Apple of 2022 and they aren’t making machines for me anymore. And their absurd pricing and inability to upgrade anything (which, mind you, is what helped my precious machine to last as long as it did) isn’t defendable in my opinion, no matter who you are. We should all call out companies for their bull crap. Even the ones we like. :)
 
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