What to expect in the second Gen Retina MacBook (Merged)

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  1. Fuzzball84 macrumors 6502

    Apr 19, 2015
    What are your thoughts on changes and additions to a second gen MB?

    I think...

    at least another USB-C port (although I don't know where it could be placed)

    Touch ID

    Improved camera

    Skylake components (should be a given)

    Return of a light up apple logo? I really missed that
  2. TheNotoriousMAZ macrumors newbie

    May 26, 2009
    Phoenixville, PA
    I expect it to be a capable enough machine to allow Apple to phase out the MacBook Air line.

    In its current state, that MacBook is just far too expensive for what it delivers.
  3. Fuzzball84 thread starter macrumors 6502

    Apr 19, 2015
    I have to admit I bought the new MB but actually returned it. The primary reason for returning was the quality of the webcam and it didn't feel as comfortable to use as my MB air (keyboard, and weight). The webcam a technical thing and I guess the other points more of a personal thing.

    I have a MBP, MBA and instead of the MB I now have the new surface 3.

    I am really looking forward to the second gen.. but in the meantime I am amazed how much I like my surface 3.
  4. Michael Goff Suspended

    Michael Goff

    Jul 5, 2012
    Here's what I honestly expect:
    > Improved internals (Skylake)
    > Second USB-C (it'd go on the opposite side of the current one)
    > Price cut (maybe 200 cut max)
    > 720p camera

    I wouldn't expect a return of the Apple logo. If anything, that might be phased out of everything else.
  5. shenan1982 macrumors 68040


    Nov 23, 2011
    I am amused how many people keep predicting touch ID in upcoming computer releases. It's not a technology for laptops, it's a technology for mobile phones. Phones are stolen out of hands 1000 to 1 over laptops off people's laps. The market doesn't demand a security apparatus like touch ID for a laptop.

    IBM\Lenovo has done fingerprint scanners on laptops for 15 years, and it's never really caught on beyond their respective brands. I've been issued several of these computers for work, and never even enabled it, no reason too, that's what a password is for. You're going to have to type, so it's not like a password is asking more than you're prepared to do. A mobile touch device is completely different.
  6. MyopicPaideia macrumors 68000


    Mar 19, 2011
    Trollhättan, Sweden
    Can't see Apple adding another USB-C port, not on a 12" model in any case. They've put their stake in the sand regarding that I think.

    Also, don't see TouchID coming soon, even though I would like it, unless they can somehow seamlessly integrate it into the trackpad, or one of the function keys that doesn't already have an alt function. I also think they would have to decide exactly how this would work, and if it would even make things easier/better in a laptop scenario. Would it only be used to log in and in the MAS? It actually doesn't make sense to use it to access your keychain to log into internet accounts like FB, Twitter, Gmail, etc. or enter credit card info because that is already a one step seamless process, adding TouchID wouldn't make things easier there.

    Improved 720p camera is probably the only given there is here, along with an upgraded Skylake Y processor and all the incremental improvements that go along with that. I would also expect USB 3.1 Gen 2 (10Gb bandwidth) to be a given with the next generation.

    I wouldn't call this "rev 2" though as it will be the same design. More like "early 2016" MB.

    Glowing Apple logo isn't coming back anytime soon IMHO ;)

    One thing worth discussing is the possibility of introducing a 14" model alongside a redesign of the MBP line. This is PURE speculation, but would possibly be something logical on the assumption that Apple would at the same time discontinue the MBA line completely. They could then add an additional USB-C to the right side of the 14" model, creating a differentiation between it an the 12" model, in the same way they give more ports to the 13" MBA currently over the 11". This would probably result in the MBP line going to a 14" and 16" line-up as well.
  7. Fuzzball84 thread starter macrumors 6502

    Apr 19, 2015
    Tough ID is already on Tablet devices... I think if incorporated in a discrete way, it could work on a laptop. like if it is incorporated into the trackpad.

    I find its really convenient on my Ipad Air 2 and would be cool on my laptops
  8. SSD-GUY macrumors 6502a

    Sep 20, 2012
    London, UK
    I held off due to not preferring the keyboard (however hopefully with some time with it, I may like it, only spent 30mins with it at the store. However, I also need a 2nd USB-C port and the webcam definitely needs to be upped to 720p.

    I'm pretty sure it'll have sky lake, and with that we'll see even better battery life and a boost in performance, most notably the GPU side of things.

    If however somehow, just somehow, they made a MBA with Retina Screen, I'd be all over that.
  9. CausticSoda macrumors 6502


    Feb 14, 2014
    Abu Dhabi


    No chance!
  10. iMacmatician macrumors 601

    Jul 20, 2008
    My thoughts are as follows:
    • Skylake
    • Price drop of $100-$200 probably allowing Apple to phase out the 13" MacBook Air at least
    • 8 GB RAM and 256 GB SSD on the base model
    That's essentially what I'm speculating as well. I'm not entirely sure on what processor Apple would use for a 14" MacBook, but my guess is a Core M cTDP up to 6 W (the 12" MacBook is 5 W) and probably longer battery life.
  11. iSheep5S macrumors 6502a


    Jun 4, 2013
    2 pieces of paper that when opened reveals a laptop.

    Solar panels and no ports.

    Three times the price of a rMB and a 500MHz Processor with 512MB RAM cause you don't need a powerhouse rMB. :D

  12. Kiwi 99 macrumors regular

    Kiwi 99

    Apr 4, 2011
    And where would the headphone port go? Apple won't be dropping that.
  13. Elise macrumors 6502

    Sep 22, 2007
    I would laugh if Apple didn't put another port on the device. The amount of people expecting it as standard on v.2....... well I hope they won't be disappointed if the worst happens! :D
  14. mattopotamus macrumors G5


    Jun 12, 2012
    fingerprint scanners were also on phones before apple, but no one did it right. I am sure touchID will make its way to laptops. It would make login and payments easier and could be built into the trackpad.
  15. gooser macrumors 6502a

    Jul 4, 2013
    don't we need to see how well the first version sells before we find out if there will even be a second version? it is encouraging that so far there hasn't been any reports of widespread problems. complaints have been overpriced, underpowered, lack of expandability which all translates into limited appeal. does any of this remind anyone of the cube? it does have style however. personally i would like to see a replaceable battery.
  16. deleder macrumors member

    Jun 11, 2014

    Replaceable battery? I am not sure Apple is for you my friend. It will never happen.
  17. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

    T'hain Esh Kelch

    Aug 5, 2001
    • Faster M processor.
    • Skylake, so they can boost battery time. This wil be the major sell point.
    • Improved Facetime camera.

    - Mayhaps a 14" model.

    And for sure not more USB-C ports. Not yet. They know Skylake will push enough models as it is. Rev. C is way more likely for another port.
  18. Jacoblee23 macrumors 65816

    Nov 10, 2011
    Did you get the base version of the surface 3 or the $599 one?
  19. Cloudsurfer macrumors 65816


    Apr 12, 2007
    I hope inductive charging. I could very well do without any ports whatsoever.
  20. Michael Goff Suspended

    Michael Goff

    Jul 5, 2012
    Beside it?
  21. Freyqq macrumors 601

    Dec 13, 2004
    Better webcam and skylake (including full-version USB 3.1) are a given. I wouldn't expect much else. Apple seems committed to the 1 USB port model. No one would mind if the $79 adapter was included for free, so maybe it will drop in price eventually or cheaper third-party options will be available.
  22. ThoseBackPages macrumors regular

    Apr 9, 2010
    New York
    Price drop, no more lag and add 3 more ports

    ::eye roll::
  23. RUGGLES99 macrumors 6502

    Feb 9, 2015
    $1199 for top end. $999 for middle. $799 for entry. one more port.


    well, see this trollhattanite knows it all. he's the next apple ceo.

  24. KPOM macrumors G5

    Oct 23, 2010
    Not necessarily. This reminds me a lot of the original MacBook Air. That has one USB port and a port for an external display. By the time it went mainstream they added a second USB port. Skylake will bring Thunderbolt support native to the chipset, and Thunderbolt can operate over a USB-C port, so conceivably it could sport a single Thunderbolt/USB-C port, or perhaps one of each. That said, I would not be surprised if Skylake is the only update in the second generation. It might not be until the third or fourth generation that Apple makes it their mainstream notebook.
  25. MyopicPaideia macrumors 68000


    Mar 19, 2011
    Trollhättan, Sweden
    Thanks for the vote of confidence, much appreciated. :p

    Tell you though, and I'm fully aware I've said it before, so apologies if you've already discarded this as irrelevant, but if Apple had offered the new MB in an entry level 4GB RAM and a 128GB SSD, it would have started at $999, which is $100 more than the similar base model 11" MBA and the same price as the base model 13" MBA.

    So while I appreciate that you really, really, really think that the MB is not worth the money (and have this extremely mysterious and hell bent grudge against any screen with a higher than 1080p resolution) the only way the MB will go down in price is if they do actually reduce RAM and storage for the entry level model.

    And...if you look at it from this perspective, you are paying $100 more for these objective pros and cons comparing the 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD 11" MBA and the new entry level MB:

    • Larger physical screen size
    • Better screen quality (contrast, color gamut, viewing angles, resolution)
    • Larger screen real estate
    • Brand new, thinner, lighter design
    • Fan-less chassis
    • Force Touch, haptic feedback trackpad technology

    • Less built in wired connectivity
    • Lower performance processor

    About the same/subjective
    • Battery life
    • Keyboard
    • Footprint

    So depending on where your own personal priorities lie you make your decision, and you also let others make theirs.

    You obviously value price higher than any of the things listed here, so you base your decision upon that, and then want to defend that reasoning by saying everything in the pros list above is either irrelevant or a lie, triple emphasise the cons items, and then try to move the subjective items into the cons list to rationalise your purchasing decision.

    The reality is that everyone has different priorities. Were you aware that there are actually people that are not price sensitive at all in this segment? It actually doesn't really enter into their decision making process at all? This could be for various reasons, such as it will be a company issued/paid for machine, or perhaps they are early adopters by nature or computer/Apple enthusiasts. Indeed there are even some people who just have enough cash around that $800 vs $1300 isn't a big deal at all, and they don't care. Others may have a price sensitivity, but it ranks lower than some or all of the items on the pros list above. Just as you rationalise your purchasing decision based almost solely on price, others here base it solely on a combination of portability/high resolution, high quality display, and are willing to pay a premium for that alone.

    You shouldn't be so adamant that everyone should share your priorities and preferences that you deem them all idiots and treat them with disrespect.

    Back on topic, IMHO I don't think Apple with ever offer a MB model with less than 8GB RAM and/or 256GB SSD's. I think we're seeing what the new base models will come with on the upcoming redesigns of the MBP...and the eventual extinction of the MBA line.

    The more I think about it though, they might just keep the base model 13" MBA around, much as they do the 13" cMBP - just to have something at that $999 price.


    Really? Can the upcoming TB3 run through a USB-C port? I've not read or heard that before, it actually makes me a little bit excited. Do you have a source I can read to learn more?

    You do make a fair point regarding the original MBA and a second USB port - however, I have the exact same number of adapters for my MB as I do for my MBA (1 for HDMI and 1 for Ethernet + 3 USB-A ports), which says something about wired connectivity. I think consumers and the industry are now ready for one port, something that just wasn't the case 7 years ago.

    However, I could be totally wrong! :eek: :D
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