I’d like to say I’ll replace my 13” 2016 MacBook Pro with another MacBook Pro, but if they made a 12” MacBook and replacement gave it slimmer bezels, I don’t think I could resist. Throw in 5G and I’m sold.
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What will be your first ARM MAC?
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I will be getting the 14” MacBook and 24” imac [if the imac looks like the rumours].
it all depends on the design, speed and what apps are available really and am likely to wait 6 months to let the dust settle, unless it is all looking great. These will just be mainly for personal use, and no longer work tools.
it all depends on the design, speed and what apps are available really and am likely to wait 6 months to let the dust settle, unless it is all looking great. These will just be mainly for personal use, and no longer work tools.
Is that true compared to the lowest base MBP 16 w/ the AMD Radeon Pro 5300M?
The Radeon Pro 5300M scores about 2.5x more than the A12Z in Geekbench Metal test (approx 25000 vs 10,000).
I’d love to see a 150% improvement in GPU, but think it may be stretch for this year. Hopefully Apple will get close to doubling GPU performance this year.
I am not expecting huge increase in speed on the laptops and personally would like to see better battery, less heat, thinner chassis, improved screen etc. If they can get those and speed then amazing.
The desktops on the other hand I would like to see blasting intel / amd / Nvidia out the water - this is a different ballgame. If they can get something like the iMac pro cooling on the AS and new imac chassis and go for it, then it will be very interesting.
Ya that's pretty bad. I'm guessing their graphics may be closer to the integrated graphics on the 13" models, but Tiger Lake Xe graphics just got a pretty big jump.
Any idea how Apple graphics compare to those?
Here's closest I can find:
iPad Pro 11in metal: 10,448
Iris Plus (not sure which model?) 8,500
Intel Xe graphics: can't find a metal score, but supposed to be like 50-100% faster than iris plus, so maybe 12-15k?
Sounds like the Apple graphics might be 30% ish lower than Xe right now, but of course that's in a tablet form factor with thermal limits. If you have any metal benchmarks on Xe that would be helpful
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Will we ever have these? I assume Apple's going from 8/9/10th gen chips straight to ASi so no Xe-equipped Macs will exists. Can Metal benchmarks be run on non-Apple platforms?
I think you're right, not sure if you can run metal benchmarks on a pc to get an equivalent benchmark.
IMO since tiger lake is going to be so late for ~35-45w (Q1 2021), it's highly likely Apple will just move right to ARM on the 16" models, assuming they get reasonable GPU performance by then. Maybe if we're lucky we'll see it in a June apple event.
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The preliminary test results for Intel's Xe graphics place it above a three year old AMD iGPU (Vega 8) and an nVidia workstation card (MX350). Not even Intel will compare their own iGPUs to current dedicated gaming cards. We will probably have to wait for the new iPad Air and the first 11th gen Intel parts to actually hit the market to do any legitimate comparisons...
In all likelihood a 16" MBP.
On a separate note I really hope they start the announcements at the October event and don't wait for some separate November event.. I want to see what these puppies can do!
On a separate note I really hope they start the announcements at the October event and don't wait for some separate November event.. I want to see what these puppies can do!
I understand about the keyboard. I had the last MBP15 that had the funky keyboard and only had it for a year, before I traded it in on this MBP16 that I am currently working on. I have no plans on replacing this MBP for at least a couple of years since I got it with max RAM and 4T SSD. I was running vmware and could run 8 windows10 server vm's without a hiccup.
The reason why I am looking at the MacBook, it is small enough to carry around with my MBP16, and will be a decent test bed for application testing on Apple Silicon. I am also hoping it has a decent price point since I will not be loading it up with RAM and large SSD.
Yeah, I can be a little weird
My first ARM based Mac ? I'll have to see, because i never set anything in concrete.
I thing the main lead player, is i use VMWare and ESxi stuff on Mac.. If their not gonna go over to ARM, in the future, then I won' be neither,
I see this no different as PowerPC transition.. It was the same deal
- Apple introduced Rosetta
- PowerPC users made their apps working on Intel.
- Apple ended Rosetta.
The same will happen with Silicon, (abit ...no one would match is to the original name changes: (Rosetta >> Rosetta 2)
It probably will take longer... because their are more intel apps than there ever was PowerPC based ones.
I thing the main lead player, is i use VMWare and ESxi stuff on Mac.. If their not gonna go over to ARM, in the future, then I won' be neither,
I see this no different as PowerPC transition.. It was the same deal
- Apple introduced Rosetta
- PowerPC users made their apps working on Intel.
- Apple ended Rosetta.
The same will happen with Silicon, (abit ...no one would match is to the original name changes: (Rosetta >> Rosetta 2)
It probably will take longer... because their are more intel apps than there ever was PowerPC based ones.
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I understand about the keyboard. I had the last MBP15 that had the funky keyboard and only had it for a year, before I traded it in on this MBP16 that I am currently working on. I have no plans on replacing this MBP for at least a couple of years since I got it with max RAM and 4T SSD. I was running vmware and could run 8 windows10 server vm's without a hiccup.
The reason why I am looking at the MacBook, it is small enough to carry around with my MBP16, and will be a decent test bed for application testing on Apple Silicon. I am also hoping it has a decent price point since I will not be loading it up with RAM and large SSD.
Yeah, I can be a little weird
The funny thing is that I typed the previous message on MacBook, and the space button was misbehaving. MacBook is tremendously slow and the keyboard is a piece of junk. Hoping for some sort of affordable arm based Apple Hardware in October 2020. Fingers Crossed. 🤞
Mac mini providing they don't do something stupid like only having four or eight cores. I expect 16-64 cores /w 16-64Gb memory, hopefully a reasonable gpu with the option of an egpu
lol, in a Mac mini? Maybe the minimum at the higher end? But that'd be surprising still.
The smallest and most lightweight MacBook they‘ll be making.
Provided they don‘t mess up again with keyboard, number of USB-C ports and pricing.
As on the desktop, I plan on keeping my Mac mini 2018 for a couple of years, maybe forever, for my Virtual Machines (though I‘ve been using Windows less and less, it‘s more Linux and BSD today).
Provided they don‘t mess up again with keyboard, number of USB-C ports and pricing.
As on the desktop, I plan on keeping my Mac mini 2018 for a couple of years, maybe forever, for my Virtual Machines (though I‘ve been using Windows less and less, it‘s more Linux and BSD today).
Very unlikely to get more than 16 cores (big + little) in a Mac Mini. The DTK runs quite well in the (4 + 4 core / 8 GPU core) A12Z, and I doubt a production machine will be hugely better - maybe 50-70% faster is we're lucky? A 12 core (8 performance, 4 low-power) seems more likely.
Bear in mind that Apple assigns its products to market segments (& prices). Even if they could put a 24 core CPU into the Mini, they wouldn't, because that level of performance is reserved for high-end iMacs or the Mac Pro.
I guess apple being apple will not put the best specs in the mini, however with these tiny 5nm arm cores - I can't see why you wouldn't / couldn't. hell, make the pros hundred of cores like the arm servers you can rent in AWS.
I'd like to see what non-Apple entity will put a > 16-core A-Series calibre chip in a Mac mini-sized product at its price points. The Mac mini can't have "the best specs", it's not big or expensive enough. That's for the Pro anyway, and they will likely deliver on high core count on that (don't know about 64 or more cores though).
I am currently using 16" MacBook Pro, mostly for video editing, which my 2018 11" Pad Pro is noticeably better at (aside from having a more locked-down OS and smaller screen).
If my render/export time is 07:50 for MacBook Pro and 04:52 for iPad Pro which has A12X, then I would gladly go for a 14" MacBook Pro with Apple Silicon which will have A14X at the worst case scenario. This way, I will have a more compact device with better video editing performance as we know that there will be an Apple Silicon compatible Final Cut Pro from day-one.
Maybe quieter operation and better battery life will be icing on the cake.
If my render/export time is 07:50 for MacBook Pro and 04:52 for iPad Pro which has A12X, then I would gladly go for a 14" MacBook Pro with Apple Silicon which will have A14X at the worst case scenario. This way, I will have a more compact device with better video editing performance as we know that there will be an Apple Silicon compatible Final Cut Pro from day-one.
Maybe quieter operation and better battery life will be icing on the cake.
I gotta ask... why do you need to take a computer to the beach?
I understand iphone or ipad for reading, but even then I rarely, if ever, use my iPhone at the beach. I just find reading on a screen at the beach not worth the effort and I prefer a book in hand. I've also found that when I'm at the beach, nothing I often do on a computer or iphone really matters much to me.
oh and I'll be getting a 16inch. But I guess that's about 9 months to 1 year off.
The AWS Graviton2 CPU has 64 cores, not “hundreds”, but is very energy efficient (80-110W TDP), and offers better performance/$ than Intel & AMD for many workloads
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Currently putting some coin aside for an new ARM based Mac. I am desktop kind of guy so I will keep the coins stacking up until there is an Apple Silicon based iMac available.
I will be honest, I have also mulled over the idea of investing in a custom Windows based tower, in anticipation of Diablo IV.
I will be honest, I have also mulled over the idea of investing in a custom Windows based tower, in anticipation of Diablo IV.
