What will be your first ARM MAC?

[macdogpro]

And having a dirty, oiled screen... I wash my iPad Pro once a day because it annoys me to read on a dirty screen. I take the pencil even more...

Yep, the current screen coating on iPad Pro really doesn‘t help with finger print oils. Looks really gross.
I hate glass screen protectors that messes with sensitivity, but naked oiled screen is worst.
Now I’m back with matt film screen protectors like I used to install on my older iPad. It reduces the screen’s sharpness and contrast. But much better for Pencil friction and avoiding excessive finger print oils.

I’m sure when it comes, Apple will have way better touch interface Mac OS in comparison to Windows’.
Finger friendly on-screen buttons and detailed UI are two contradictive things to solve on touch-able desktop OSes.

 

[Tafkaeken]

Whatever’s replacing the MPB, 13 inch.

I really hope that I don’t have to wait forever though.

 

[ruka.snow]

Ideally something beefy in the Mac Pro range. Perhaps a new iMac as a second machine.

 

[OldCorpse]

Honestly I’m not excited by a 12” Air. I’d love a 14” Air. And I don’t want a 14” MBP, I want something light. But a 12” screen is just too cramped.

 

[easy4lif]

Hopefully a MacBook Pro

 

[Benz63amg]

The first ARM based iMac, anyone know when we might see one get released?

 

[phillytim]

The first ARM based iMac, anyone know when we might see one get released?

I feel that it is more likely for Apple to announce Apple Silicon Mac hardware in October or even November, rather than this weeks' event, and delivery towards December - would be my best guess.

 

[enemy14123]

And the bigger IMac in Fall next year?

Greetings

 

[MrGunnyPT]

Honestly I’m not excited by a 12” Air. I’d love a 14” Air. And I don’t want a 14” MBP, I want something light. But a 12” screen is just too cramped.

I would be happy with a 12 as long it's very light and it's 90% screen like the XPS 13

 

[Juzo Fuwa]

Most likely it’ll be the second generation 27” AS iMac. Hopefully I’ll finally be able to order my new 27” 2020 iMac this Friday. Hopefully that’ll do well by me for about 3 years. Then we’ll see where the AS iMacs are.

 

[Benz63amg]

Most likely it’ll be the second generation 27” AS iMac. Hopefully I’ll finally be able to order my new 27” 2020 iMac this Friday. Hopefully that’ll do well by me for about 3 years. Then we’ll see where the AS iMacs are.

Don’t you think waiting till November is the wiser choice? They might announce a redesigned iMac, in in a similar boat, sold by 2019 iMac thinking if I should buy 2020 27 iMac or wait for arm imac

 

[cubbie5150]

I want my first ARM Mac to be a 15" - 16" MBP, definitely not 1st Gen though.

However, as someone who wants bigger screen but truly does not need TOTL performance, I'll likely have to make a tough decision to switch to Windows as I just can't justify spending > $2,000 just to get the screen size I want from Apple. I get that I am not part of a demographic important to Apple, so I accept that I'll either have to suck it up & pay for performance I don't need, or jump to Windows.

 

[jazz1]

What screen size do you need?

Have you considered a Mac-mini, or an Apple laptop driving a third party monitor? I do love my 2015 iMac, but recently I added another home workstation using an Apple laptop to a Dell monitor. Works great.

Note there is sort of a "hidden" cost with the Mac-Mini in that you've got to buy an mouse/trackpad and keyboard.

 

[nquinn]

16" MBP ARM and it can't get here fast enough

 

[Benz63amg]

16" MBP ARM and it can't get here fast enough

Do you think that will come before the ARM iMac? When do you think we should expect an ARM Mac to come out?

 

[markiv810]

For me I would be happy with arm based Mac mini or MacBook which ever one releases first to replace my almost 9 year old Mac mini which is virtually dead, works only in safe mode.

 

[Curtterp]

If Apple brings back the MacBook with Apple Silicon, I will get that. I am not a fan of the 12" screen, but it will be my testbed to make sure that everything I need to use will be running natively on Apple Silicon before I would replace my MacBook Pro 16" which is my workhorse machine.

 

[Benz63amg]

If Apple brings back the MacBook with Apple Silicon, I will get that. I am not a fan of the 12" screen, but it will be my testbed to make sure that everything I need to use will be running natively on Apple Silicon before I would replace my MacBook Pro 16" which is my workhorse machine.

A MacBook Pro 16 is rumored to be getting a refresh soon so perhaps that model might be included in one of the first ARM based macs

 

[Tagbert]

I don't understand people that want touchscreen laptops. How uncomfortable would it be constantly holding your arm up like that?

When using such a device in laptop mode, you don’t usually use the touch screen exclusively. You tend to us a multi-model input strategy switching between keyboard, trackpad/mouse, screen depending on the operation. Some operations such a touching a button or scrolling can be more direct with a touch screen. There is no “gorilla arm” problem.

 

[johngwheeler]

A MacBook Pro 16 is rumored to be getting a refresh soon so perhaps that model might be included in one of the first ARM based macs

I doubt this. THE MBP16 has dGPUs that are 2.5-4x more powerful than the best current Apple A-series SoC (A12Z). I think it will take Apple another year to match these AMD GPUs in Aplle Silicon

 

[StellarVixen]

Hoping for desktop that can fill the gap between Mac Mini and Mac Pro.

 

[Benz63amg]

I doubt this. THE MBP16 has dGPUs that are 2.5-4x more powerful than the best current Apple A-series SoC (A12Z). I think it will take Apple another year to match these AMD GPUs in Aplle Silicon

What evidence do you have to support that claim? Did you see what Apple was able to do with the A14 on the new iPad Air?

 

[DimaVR]

I’m waiti f till 2022 upgrade when my late 2015 5K will be old school

 

[johngwheeler]

What evidence do you have to support that claim? Did you see what Apple was able to do with the A14 on the new iPad Air?

My only basis for saying this is Geekbench results for the A12Z, Radeon Pro 5300M, 5500M and 5600M, and reports of A14 GPU increases compared to the A12. https://browser.geekbench.com/metal-benchmarks

As I understand, the A14 has only 4 GPU cores compared to A12Z's 8 cores. We don't have any real benchmarks yet, but some guesses have been made at:
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-apple_a14_bionic-1693-vs-apple_a12z_bionic-1651

Apple’s A14 Chipset Is The Most Radical iPhone 12 Upgrade

Apple’s stunning new iPhone 12 range has a radical upgrade everyone will love...

www.forbes.com

So I agree than an A14Z with 8 GPU cores would be quite a bit better than the A12Z - about 40% increase is quoted for the A12 vs A14 (non-Z versions) - and if we apply to an A14Z (from which we think the first ASi Mac will be derived) this still would give it a Geekbench Metal score of 14000-15000, vs the c. 25000 for the AMD 5300M, 29000 for the AMD 5500M and 40,000 for the 5600M.

My point was that going from A12Z to AMD 5600M levels is a 400% increase, which sounds like quite a challenge for Apple.

It's by no means impossible considering that a MBP16 SoC would probably be 50-80W TDP compared to the iPad Pros 15W (estimated), but I would be surprised (pleasantly!) if Apple were able to push the improvements in Apple Silicon this quickly. Their own estimate was for a 2-year transition, and they must have given this roadmap for a reason. The high-end iMac and Mac Pro will clearly be at the end of the 2 years, but I would expect the MBP16 to fall in the middle of the transition, i.e. in about a year's time.

I would be pleased if the first ASi Mac gets close to the AMD 5300M in GPU performance - that's pretty decent and very close to the entry-level MBP16. However, I don't think Apple will release a new MBP16 design that performs worse than the nearly one-year-old entry-level model.

 

[markiv810]

If Apple brings back the MacBook with Apple Silicon, I will get that. I am not a fan of the 12" screen, but it will be my testbed to make sure that everything I need to use will be running natively on Apple Silicon before I would replace my MacBook Pro 16" which is my workhorse machine.

I have hated the keyboard in MacBook, I am trying to type this on MacBook, and it's a task (humongous task). The work machine should be replaced the last, that's just me. I sincerely hope that Apple launches a new arm based Mac by mic October this year.