I was using an analogy, I didn't say he wanted four hard disks in his iPod.
I KNOW it was an analogy. And BECAUSE of that, I thought it was ridiculous to compare it to someone asking for a Mac pro in an iMac. A volume button, microphone and speaker. It's something that is well within technical and financial reach. Heck, many other small(er) players have those "features".
Yeah, it's an iPod not a PDA. Sure it can be used as one, but Apple isn't selling it as one so there isn't a lot of reason to add that. Remember IT'S AN IPOD
Funny. Because when speaking of it's poor audio quality, people always defend it by saying it does a lot more. Hell, some people even buy it for other things than playing music. A "clean" ipod is for music/audio only, yet you think asking for a small speaker, a small mic, and most importantly: a volume button(!!) is unreasonable?
You seem to not being able to make your mind up.
What's wrong with the quality now? Define better.
Less distortion, less hiss, more powerful (in order to drive harder headphones), more accuracy, more separation, more clarity, lower noisefloor.
Not going to happen until Apple starts marketing the OS the same way as its computer OS. Like you buy it for $129 and it's meant to be a computer replacement.
I am not in this thread to claim any of these things might happen. We were asked what it would take to make us buy one of these.
Is your argument that a computer company cannot sell hardware with a more open set-up, unless it's supposed to be a computer replacement?
Do some research on proper PDAs.
Why? Have you actually run into issues because of this or are you just saying that to sound smart/nerdy?
Well, two of my friends have a Touch. It seems slow at times, when it shouldn't be. Only one of them have it jailbreaked. My guess is that the ram is about 32MB, comparing it to my Somo650 with 128MB ram. This, of course, assuming that with Apples locked down system, the Touch's OS uses as little resources as the Somo running Windows Mobile.
Extra slots that 95% of the population won't use or have any idea what it's for? Keep dreaming
Hmm, "what would it take", remember?
I'm not asking what run-of-the-hill sheep would want or use, I am stating what it would take.
But are you in all seriously saying that 95 percent of potential gadget buyers have no clues as to what a CF or SD slot is? That they have no clue they can put memory cards amongst other things in there?
Sorry, but that sounds rather much like something you made up on the spot, because you have no real argument.
Then get an iPhone, Apple's not going to want to cut into iPhone sales
As HH said: the same pseudo-argument was used before the Touch got the four apps. Go look at daps (digital audio players) and you notice that many have a microphone and a speaker. Not to mention each and every stand-alone PDA.
The very notion that you think that because someone wants a microphone and a speaker, they should get an iPhone is ridiculous at best, ignorant and a sign of you not knowing a thing about anything but what Apple is offering.
You really don't know Apple do you? That'd be ugly and isn't needed.
Are you thick? We were asked WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR US TO BUY ONE. It's NOT a question of knowing Apple or not.
And I, for one, do NOT buy gadgets without being able to swap the battery.
What the hell do you mean by "That'd be ugly and isn't needed"?
Some people would like to have an extra battery, be able to buy another one for along trip, be able to easily swap it if it break or if something bigger comes out.
If you think swappable batteries are "ugly", and THEREFORE not needed, you obviously need to get a life, because looks aren't everything, useability and convenience is. To some, at least.
Go take a look at the Samsung X820 phone. Is that "ugly" because of the swappable battery?
How would that be useful? Again, like in requests 3, 4, and 5 you're just trying to sound smart/nerdy.
LOL, just because someone knows more than you, or are "requesting" features already present on a slew of other handheld wi-fi-devices doesn't translate into "trying to sound smart/nerdy". Go do some research and a whole new world will open before your eyes.
Anyway, here are some examples:
Card reader, USB-stick, modem (be it 3G or 56K), a camera (for transferring files, or even just read them from there), a phone (to use as a modem, to transfer files to and from), a keyboard, and so on. Use your imagination, please.
Not needed, there's wifi that the devices can talk through.
Who the hell are you to decide what is needed and what isn't?
You think WiFi is everywhere, just because it's at your school, your home and your favourite café?
It reminds of the above: BT can be used for much the same, not to mention, if done properly, you could connect the device to, say, a stereo, and remote control the 'pod.
"Not needed"!? Pfft! That's like saying a USB connection isn't "needed", for anything but power supply. Get real.
I agree, that'd be awesome, but really isn't needed until there is a proper document editor.
You can say that to most of what I have said. It's utterly irrelevant and superfluous to say that. I thought that it was OBVIOUS that there would need to be a possibility to EDIT files, in order to make use of it. Just as it would take a rewrite of the OS to open it up, wriiting drivers, and ADD the functionality I "hint" at.
Yes, that's what it would take for me to buy one. I don't buy overpriced, locked down, crippled hardware that add nothing other than a "ooh, that looks neat" in the shop.
Are you serious? The iPod touch already has a large screen and has one of the best screen size to total size ratio.
Hmm, I'll talk to you when you have tried editing a photo or a sound sample on that thing. Oh, wait.
It'd be nice, but is unlikely.
We are NOT talking "likelyhood" here, unless you haven't noticed.
Not until they open the OS a little more.
Well, they had it on every other iPod. All the competitors have it. This isn't a question of opening the os, this is a question of de-crippling the things. But until people stop defending everything, even less functionality, a re-introduction of disk mode is non-happening. But as I've said numerous times: It's what it would take for us to be swayed.
Not going to happen, however you can already play music and video files from web pages.
Sigh
As I said: This is not a question of whether it will happen or not, this is a question of what it would take
Of course (well, not when we're talking of Apple) you can play audio files from the web. But are you in all seriousness thinking that that is the same as putting in a card with a recording or another audio file, or transferring a single file from another computer than your own to hearing audio on the web? Do you expect me to upload it from some random computer in order to listen to it, say, on the way home from a friend or from work?
You cannot possibly think that's a workaround, let alone a "solution". If you do, it's worse than I thought.
Yeah, right. An iPod with a built in FM tuner...
As I said
(I'll spare you this time). The thing is, many other DAPs have FM tuners. Just because people buy them anyway, doesn't mean it doesn't matter.
and with all of your other ridiculous requests? hahaha
Before your stomach hurts, you ought to do some research on what, say, the iPaq 200 series (210/211/212/213/214) costs. Then, when you're done laughing, perhaps you will notice how little functionality you get for what you pay for the Touch.
Agreed a speaker would add bulk, have terrible sound quality and would be next to useless.
Agreed. Digital SLR or nothing.
LOL, at least we can agree to something
Agreed, although the current one is more than enough to play back 256mb/s AAC and lossless files through standard headphones with minimal distortion and great clarity.
I don't know what you mean by "standard" headphones, but if you mean the ones that comes with it, there's plenty of distortion and a very pronounced lack of clarity, precision and so on.
Also, I don't do lossy formats. However, it's some awfully big ones you have. No wonder it sounds good. I mean 256
mb/s!! Usually those "256s" only hit 256
kb/s!!
Just wait for a few more updates. In a few years when OS 11 is launched I hope it'll come out at the same time as OS Mobile 3 (or whatever) and be as open as Mac OS.
As long as people buy into hype and buy whatever comes out, no matter the functionality, it won't happen at all. Apple has in the recent years been acting more and more like Microsoft when it was worst. Hell, they even superceded them at times. I'm serious. They lock down their hardware with their software "solutions" more than MS ever did.
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