General What would reduce piracy?

thehustleman

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Let's face facts, piracy isn't going anywhere and all these efforts to stop it are simply a waste of money.

But it can be slowed down quite a bit IMO.


How though?


I think a huge thing is a refund policy across digital media (CD's, downloads, apps, movies, video games).

For a while I refused to buy music because I was tired of getting a tape (yes I'm an 80's baby) and the majority of songs may or may not be good and the no refund policy really irritated me. I felt cheated on more than one occasion.

CD's came out and the same thing continued.

That prompted me to start pirating them. I actually bought more music AFTER piracy (and I know I'm not the only person like this) due to the fact that I knew the music was great.

Why buy you might ask?

Because the sound quality is way better on a CD than any other digital media and the fact that an artist and label has to turn a profit. If they do, they crapify their music so I feel like it's my duty to pay for it if it's good.

If i could buy the CD, and if it's bad, I can return it, same with apps, games, movies.

How can you really be mad at people about piracy when you're essentially forcing them into it with terrible policies?

I think if we had some better consumer laws about this we wouldn't have as big of a piracy problem.
 

XboxMySocks

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Convenience.

Many, many studies have shown that if there is a way to access it that is as easy as piracy, people will buy it instead.

Hulu, Netflix, Pandora, etc are HUGE examples of this.
 

thehustleman

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Convenience.

Many, many studies have shown that if there is a way to access it that is as easy as piracy, people will buy it instead.

Hulu, Netflix, Pandora, etc are HUGE examples of this.
Convenience is great, but it's harder to pirate than buy lol.

Good luck trying to find a GOOD piracy site that isn't malware filled.

I think that does help reduce it sometimes definitely but other instances it's about knowing if it's worth buying.

Plus Netflix and Hulu gives you tons of things!
 

Menneisyys2

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Both convenience and price.

For example, the entire three-season original Star Trek series, with some 20 Blue ray discs, each with 4 episodes & several extras on each disc, only cost me some 75 US$ with s&h to Europe. I didn't need to do anything than just grab them with MakeMKV and HB to reduce their size for iPad playback - this all only takes about 2-3 minutes/disc. No need to waste time on Torrent sites or Usenet looking for missing archives (and to wait for the entire thing to download, of course), if I can find the original Blu-ray discs at all.

I'd much rather shell out $75 than waste a LOT of time tracking down all the episodes one-by-one, struggle with the missing RAR's, CRC errors etc. My time is much more expensive.
 

thehustleman

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Both convenience and price.

For example, the entire three-season original Star Trek series, with some 20 Blue ray discs, each with 4 episodes & several extras on each disc, only cost me some 75 US$ with s&h to Europe. I didn't need to do anything than just grab them with MakeMKV and HB to reduce their size for iPad playback - this all only takes about 2-3 minutes/disc. No need to waste time on Torrent sites or Usenet looking for missing archives (and to wait for the entire thing to download, of course), if I can find the original Blu-ray discs at all.

I'd much rather shell out $75 than waste a LOT of time tracking down all the episodes one-by-one, struggle with the missing RAR's, CRC errors etc. My time is much more expensive.
Only 4 episodes per disc?

But I agree with your point, price plays a huge part for some, but I ain't reallygot as concerned with price as I am with quality.
 

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For the first time in years music and movie piracy is down. Quite dramatically.

Streaming services are responsible for this.

Therefore it's clear that 'owning' something outright is less important to those that traditionally pirated, than simply having continued easy access to it.

Choose what you want, pay a flat fee and if you don't like it remove it from your library / collection and add something else instead.

That simple balance of convenience and a flat fee is the solution for most folks.

For those that remain, wanting and seemingly expecting or having a right to something for nothing despite any ramifications or repercussions will always be a pull to pirate ....
 

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Public understanding that piracy is stealing.
People who pirate always know that it was stealing .... They simply didn't care because the physical repercussions of the act are so remote as opposed to going into a shop and physically stealing an item.
 

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Apple needs to adopt Google's app return policy. That is a good way to start. Unfortunately any system with file system write access is infinitely susceptible to piracy.
 

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Apple needs to adopt Google's app return policy. That is a good way to start. Unfortunately any system with file system write access is infinitely susceptible to piracy.
Meh even without a jailbreak its possible to jailbreak
 

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Apple needs to adopt Google's app return policy. That is a good way to start. Unfortunately any system with file system write access is infinitely susceptible to piracy.
Most people are seemingly unaware that it's very simple to return apps and get a refund through iTunes and can be done after the 15 minutes that Google allow.

Simply go into your iTunes account, choose purchase history and then hit the report purchase to the ones you want to return.

A simple "app is not what I was expecting and I have sought alternative" as reason for report/return and Apple will invariably refund your purchase. This can be done days after buying something, not just within a 15 minute window too.
 

thehustleman

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That's the same thing guy.
No what I meant was it's a lot more convenient to walk to a store and buy a CD than it is to scour the Web and find a place to download without causing problems.






Public understanding that piracy is stealing.
No it isn't, it's copying.

If i have a book, and a friend copies every page in it on a copier, but I still have my book, I can't call and report that as stolen, because I still have my book.
 

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For me is the ability to try before buying. If I buy an app I cannot try it to see if it's worth
Pay and try, if it's not what you expected return it. (See above)

It's the same process as buying anything physically in a shop.

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No it isn't, it's copying.

If i have a book, and a friend copies every page in it on a copier, but I still have my book, I can't call and report that as stolen, because I still have my book.

It's stealing...


It's stealing the intellectual property of the copyright holder. YOU are not the copyright holder. Unauthorised duplication is theft of the copyright. You may have not had your item stolen, but the book publisher / writer has had their work stolen.
 

thehustleman

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Pay and try, if it's not what you expected return it. (See above)

It's the same process as buying anything physically in a shop.

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It's stealing...


It's stealing the intellectual property of the copyright holder. YOU are not the copyright holder. Unauthorised duplication is theft of the copyright. You may have not had your item stolen, but the book publisher / writer has had their work stolen.

Isn't stealing. When the copyright holder still has it


Theft takes something away from them without compensation.
 

MRU

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Isn't stealing. When the copyright holder still has it


Theft takes something away from them without compensation.
Yes it is stealing. Your fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

A person duplicating a book or song is breaking the owner (publisher / artists) copyright and that illegal copy means that the person with the copy will not purchase the item thereby stealing a potential sale from the copyright holder. It therefore steals the compensation for that copyright holders work.
 

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Most people are seemingly unaware that it's very simple to return apps and get a refund through iTunes and can be done after the 15 minutes that Google allow.

Simply go into your iTunes account, choose purchase history and then hit the report purchase to the ones you want to return.

A simple "app is not what I was expecting and I have sought alternative" as reason for report/return and Apple will invariably refund your purchase. This can be done days after buying something, not just within a 15 minute window too.
Good to know. I think that Google's implementation is much more transparent though. You don't have to look anywhere for a refund, the button is simply there.
 

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Good to know. I think that Google's implementation is much more transparent though. You don't have to look anywhere for a refund, the button is simply there.
Yep apple need to make the process much more transparent and in doing so would serve customers better. Like I say most folks are unaware they can return apps they have purchased which doesn't serve the customer well.
 

oplix

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Yep apple need to make the process much more transparent and in doing so would serve customers better. Like I say most folks are unaware they can return apps they have purchased which doesn't serve the customer well.
Ya I think this leads to people using the "I pirate to try things out" excuse.
 

Gmerdude

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What would reduce piracy?

Funny as if no one here has downloaded a song or watched a movie free online or anything else
 
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