General What would reduce piracy?

[bandofbrothers]

Look on the flip side.


If you invested your time and knowledge into writing and marketing a book, CD, Film or jailbreak Tweak etc to share and earn how would you feel if someone else helped themselves to that material without parting with payment.

 

[thehustleman]

Look on the flip side.


If you invested your time and knowledge into writing and marketing a book, CD, Film or jailbreak Tweak etc to share and earn how would you feel if someone else helped themselves to that material without parting with payment.

If i already am making a decent amount of money I wouldn't focus on that, I'd focus on the people that bought it

 

[T5BRICK]

Giving you samplers will do it.

Amazon gives you 20 second audio samplers, is cool.

iTunes does 90 seconds on most music now. That's half of an average length song.

 

[T5BRICK]

1. It isn't stealing. If a friend says "make a copy of this CD, you need to hear this" and you do it, you aren't stealing but you are making a copy. It is NOT stealing. You have to take something that isn't offered to you for free in order to steal it.

The copyright owner isn't offering their content for free. It's stealing.

2. Can't play YouTube in the car...

Yes you can. Use your smartphone. I've been able to do this for years.

3. Actually if you don't like something at McDonald's they will give you a refund, can't get that from a CD.

Cheeseburgers are not the same thing as media. When you take the CD/DVD back to the store, there is no way for them to know if you copied it.

4. I'm sure Eminem, 50-cent, Jay-Z, twista, nas, Anthony Hamilton, mystikal, queen, dmx, Dr. Dre, outkast, and many many more are happy I downloaded their albums, I wouldn't have bought them if I didn't download them first.


I own over 500 CD's and like 90% of them were downloaded first, then purchased. Take away my ability to download and those albums wouldn't have been purchased.

You're right, a lot of those artists don't care about pirating. I'm pretty sure Eminem has spoken about it before. I'm not too worried about those people. They're popular enough that they're not really depending on album sales for any meaningful income. That still doesn't make pirating RIGHT.

I'm more concerned about the artists who aren't popular. Some people actually rely on income from their album sales. A lot of these folks sell their content directly from their website along with iTunes, amazon, and physical CD sales. Given that choice, I'll usually buy direct from an artist that I like.

Anyway, easy access certainly goes a long ways towards preventing piracy. I pay $7.99 a month for Google Music All Access and I stream everything. It ends up being cheaper than buying an album or two every month, so it works out for me.

 

[thehustleman]

The copyright owner isn't offering their content for free. It's stealing.



Yes you can. Use your smartphone. I've been able to do this for years.



Cheeseburgers are not the same thing as media. When you take the CD/DVD back to the store, there is no way for them to know if you copied it.



You're right, a lot of those artists don't care about pirating. I'm pretty sure Eminem has spoken about it before. I'm not too worried about those people. They're popular enough that they're not really depending on album sales for any meaningful income. That still doesn't make pirating RIGHT.

I'm more concerned about the artists who aren't popular. Some people actually rely on income from their album sales. A lot of these folks sell their content directly from their website along with iTunes, amazon, and physical CD sales. Given that choice, I'll usually buy direct from an artist that I like.

Anyway, easy access certainly goes a long ways towards preventing piracy. I pay $7.99 a month for Google Music All Access and I stream everything. It ends up being cheaper than buying an album or two every month, so it works out for me.

Smaller artists REALLY benefit from me downloading because I would have never bought a tech n9ne CD if I didn't hear it all first. Same with the Arabic assassin, little brother, and the cunnin linguists

 

[danielowenuk]

Stealing or theft involves the removal of property from one person.

Whilst piracy is breaching someones Intellectual Propery rights, it doesn't take the rights from them (it's still their IP).

If you went into a bookstore and took the book that's stealing. If you went into the bookstore and took photos of every page, that's copying, the shop owner can still sell the book as it hasn't been stolen.

Piracy can and often does provide a better service than paid alternatives. To say that quality is not as high is plain wrong, there are places where identical copies can be found.

To say all piracy sites contain malware, again wrong, there are sites that don't even have advertisements (unlike their paid alternatives).

To reduce piracy they need to provide a better service, simple.

 

[alkalifly]

Stealing or theft involves the removal of property from one person.

Whilst piracy is breaching someones Intellectual Propery rights, it doesn't take the rights from them (it's still their IP).

If you went into a bookstore and took the book that's stealing. If you went into the bookstore and took photos of every page, that's copying, the shop owner can still sell the book as it hasn't been stolen.

I appreciate what you are saying, but it is actually much more complicated than that, and it depends on what source you look to.

I am neither defending nor condemning piracy, but the semantics of whether or not it is "stealing" is not easily reducible to simple analogies about bookstores or cheeseburgers.

"Stealing" as a legal concept refers to larceny, conversion, or other forms of unlawfully obtaining objects or money. What we are calling "piracy" here (presumably not maritime piracy) is properly called "copyright infringement" and it may or may not be proper to refer to it as "theft".

The Supreme Court of the United States seems to have ruled that copyright infringement should not be called theft (see Dowling v. US), and this has been upheld in subsequent cases in which copyright infringement prosecutors have been prohibited from using the words "theft" or "stealing" in court. However, these semantic distinctions do not make copyright infringement any less illegal.

Meanwhile, the FBI has an informational page at http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/white_collar/ipr/ipr that they call "Intellectual Property Theft" and indicates that copyright infringement is "robbing people of their ideas, inventions, and creative expressions".

So, long story short, it depends on who you ask, and there is no cut and dry answer as to whether "piracy" (copyright infringement) is or isn't "theft"

 

[Bl0ckHe1d]

Streaming services are responsible for this.

Streaming out with the likes of Hulu / Netflix / etc in Europe is currently under review, not sure how this affect those across the Pond and non porn viewers!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25492267

 

[danielowenuk]

I appreciate what you are saying, but it is actually much more complicated than that, and it depends on what source you look to.

I am neither defending nor condemning piracy, but the semantics of whether or not it is "stealing" is not easily reducible to simple analogies about bookstores or cheeseburgers.

"Stealing" as a legal concept refers to larceny, conversion, or other forms of unlawfully obtaining objects or money. What we are calling "piracy" here (presumably not maritime piracy) is properly called "copyright infringement" and it may or may not be proper to refer to it as "theft".

The Supreme Court of the United States seems to have ruled that copyright infringement should not be called theft (see Dowling v. US), and this has been upheld in subsequent cases in which copyright infringement prosecutors have been prohibited from using the words "theft" or "stealing" in court. However, these semantic distinctions do not make copyright infringement any less illegal.

Meanwhile, the FBI has an informational page at http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/white_collar/ipr/ipr that they call "Intellectual Property Theft" and indicates that copyright infringement is "robbing people of their ideas, inventions, and creative expressions".

So, long story short, it depends on who you ask, and there is no cut and dry answer as to whether "piracy" (copyright infringement) is or isn't "theft"

Of course if we are talking legal terms it also depends where you reside ;-)

 

[alkalifly]

Of course if we are talking legal terms it also depends where you reside ;-)

Yes, very good point. One jurisdiction's theft could be another's fair use.

 

[itjw]

The fundamental problem will always be the people who refuse to believe piracy IS stealing.

You can prove it nine ways sideways and they'll still just say (in a whiny voice) "no it's not".

It is. Legally. Morally. Whatever you say. Sorry.

That won't change. People are inherently ignorant to things that counter what they want to believe (see religion, just as an aside...).

Piracy is NEVER going away. Just like believing a virgin gave birth to that Jeebus guy, enough people out there believe it isn't stealing and you'll NEVER convince them otherwise.

Unless we aggressively prosecute and imprison people for doing so... Every developers dream

 

[thehustleman]

The fundamental problem will always be the people who refuse to believe piracy IS stealing.

You can prove it nine ways sideways and they'll still just say (in a whiny voice) "no it's not".

It is. Legally. Morally. Whatever you say. Sorry.

That won't change. People are inherently ignorant to things that counter what they want to believe (see religion, just as an aside...).

Piracy is NEVER going away. Just like believing a virgin gave birth to that Jeebus guy, enough people out there believe it isn't stealing and you'll NEVER convince them otherwise.

Unless we aggressively prosecute and imprison people for doing so... Every developers dream

Um no, it is not stealing.

That isn't opinion, it's fact, the supreme court already ruled that it isn't stealing.

And no it ain't going nowhere but it can be reduced

 

[T5BRICK]

Um no, it is not stealing.

That isn't opinion, it's fact, the supreme court already ruled that it isn't stealing.

You're arguing about semantics. Piracy may not be "legally" the same as stealing(in the US at least...there are other countries out there who define pirating differently), but they're essentially the same thing.

 

[thehustleman]

You're arguing about semantics. Piracy may not be "legally" the same as stealing(in the US at least...there are other countries out there who define pirating differently), but they're essentially the same thing.

No it isn't.

When something is stolen from you, you no longer have it.

Go in a music store and steal a CD, the store owner no longer has that CD to sell. THAT is stealing.

Download an album, the record label still has it, nothing tangible was lost, they still own it, nothing was stolen.

See the difference?


Unfortunately piracy IS still a crime (although it shouldn't be) but stealing is NOT what it is.

 

[T5BRICK]

No it isn't.

When something is stolen from you, you no longer have it.

Go in a music store and steal a CD, the store owner no longer has that CD to sell. THAT is stealing.

Download an album, the record label still has it, nothing tangible was lost, they still own it, nothing was stolen.

See the difference?

You're reaching and making excuses. I'm pretty sure the problem with piracy is a total misunderstanding of copyright law and intellectual property.

Stealing: Taking something without permission.

Pirating: Copying something without permission.

Unfortunately piracy IS still a crime (although it shouldn't be) but stealing is NOT what it is.

It is a crime, it should be a crime. You're taking/copying something without permission. There are flaws in the copyright system, just like there are flaws in the patent system, but they are both in place to protect peoples ideas.