General What would reduce piracy?

[powerstrokin]

Yes it is stealing. Your fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

A person duplicating a book or song is breaking the owner (publisher / artists) copyright and that illegal copy means that the person with the copy will not purchase the item thereby stealing a potential sale from the copyright holder. It therefore steals the compensation for that copyright holders work.

I haven't bought a cd/movie in ages. The ones I do acquire, though I may slightly enjoy them, I wouldn't pay for them even if the option to acquire them online wasn't there.

The music I listen to could be heard on the radio for free.
The movies I watch could be seen on the tv for free.

I don't care what you say, I'll stick with this till the day I die- I'm not paying for music or movies except on rare occasions. Hollywood can burn in hell for being greedy. [EDIT]

"Intellectual Property" ? Please. "Potential Sales" ? [EDIT] If someone wants to buy your product, they'll buy it. If they don't want to buy it, they won't. Anything beyond that is irrelevant in my opinion.

You're conditioned to buy into this corporate madness put forth by those who run the movie/music industry and you're playing right into their hands.

Good day.

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One more thing-

I think there should be more laws against murder and drug use. That should help reduce those activities for sure.

Absolutely.

 

[Bartender4]

To prevent piracy they should legalize it and stop calling it piracy, instead call it better choice. And for the copyrights authors should stop being greed and instead do make their product free and something GOOD for humanity.

 

[oplix]

Stopping piracy involves complete overhaul of digital copyright laws and a modern business model which would include alternatives to payment.

Google is a good example of this. Look at how many free services they offer you. Yet Google is a publicly traded tech giant with $1100 shares. Their business model is 90% (exaggerated?) marketing.

 

[rapicell]

Yes it is stealing. Your fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

A person duplicating a book or song is breaking the owner (publisher / artists) copyright and that illegal copy means that the person with the copy will not purchase the item thereby stealing a potential sale from the copyright holder. It therefore steals the compensation for that copyright holders work.

Stealing or not, it's been happening for a **** ton of a long time. Mixed tapes/cds, playlist transfers, recorded movies via dvd or VHS, ect...
Also, don't bother with the crap of "potential sales" as there is no 100% way of knowing said person would EVER have bought that product regardless of having a pirated copy.

 

[oplix]

Stealing or not, it's been happening for a **** ton of a long time. Mixed tapes/cds, playlist transfers, recorded movies via dvd or VHS, ect...
Also, don't bother with the crap of "potential sales" as there is no 100% way of knowing said person would EVER have bought that product regardless of having a pirated copy.

The other issue here is that countries like Sweden have much different laws regarding copyright and intellectual property. In those countries much of what we consider "piracy" isn't (by law) piracy. Since we live in a global inter-connected world, these moral "gray areas" will always be tripped over. However, whether you feel one way or another you will never be 100% right on this issue.

 

[MRU]

I haven't bought a cd/movie in ages. The ones I do acquire, though I may slightly enjoy them, I wouldn't pay for them even if the option to acquire them online wasn't there.

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One more thing-

I think there should be more laws against murder and drug use. That should help reduce those activities for sure.

Absolutely.

Stealing or not, it's been happening for a **** ton of a long time. Mixed tapes/cds, playlist transfers, recorded movies via dvd or VHS, ect...
Also, don't bother with the crap of "potential sales" as there is no 100% way of knowing said person would EVER have bought that product regardless of having a pirated copy.

I merely stated the fact, there is no need to attack or flame me for it. You may dislike the truth, it doesn't stop it from being.

Amazing how some folks revert to nastiness when a poster has made none towards them.

This attitude of acting like the world owes you something - that you gave a universal right to others hard work. And that is also the reason why despite falling piracy rates, there will always be those who will pirate.

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To prevent piracy they should legalize it and stop calling it piracy, instead call it better choice. And for the copyrights authors should stop being greed and instead do make their product free and something GOOD for humanity.

You clearly are very young, immature and do not work for a living. If you did, would you be happy to work for nothing, for 'the good of humanity'.....

 

[Bartender4]

I merely stated the fact, there is no need to attack or flame me for it. You may dislike the truth, it doesn't stop it from being.

Amazing how some folks revert to nastiness when a poster has made none towards them.

This attitude of acting like the world owes you something - that you gave a universal right to others hard work. And that is also the reason why despite falling piracy rates, there will always be those who will pirate.

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You clearly are very young, immature and do not work for a living. If you did, would you be happy to work for nothing, for 'the good of humanity'.....

You could at least try to understand it's not for "nothing" today on Christmas day. If u can't understand it even for one day that doing something good is NOT for "nothing" than I'm affraid there's no hope for you, money probably ate your soul already. And just thought you should know I'm far from "young, immature" and without work, I have for many years my business that's devloping well (you need alot of years for that...)
Giving feels better than getting...

 

[powerstrokin]

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I apologize for being nasty or rude. It wasn't my intention. I tend to get a little carried away and my social skills are a bit lacking to say the least.

 

[MacDevil7334]

You could at least try to understand it's not for "nothing" today on Christmas day. If u can't understand it even for one day that doing something good is NOT for "nothing" than I'm affraid there's no hope for you, money probably ate your soul already. And just thought you should know I'm far from "young, immature" and without work, I have for many years my business that's devloping well (you need alot of years for that...)
Giving feels better than getting...

Do you give your work away in your business? If your answer is anything other than "yes I give all my work away for free" then you need to shut up.

 

[XboxMySocks]

Convenience is great, but it's harder to pirate than buy lol.

Good luck trying to find a GOOD piracy site that isn't malware filled.

I think that does help reduce it sometimes definitely but other instances it's about knowing if it's worth buying.

Plus Netflix and Hulu gives you tons of things!

I am part of several websites which are INCREDIBLY good to get anything I want off.

Generally, the 'illegal' websites will let me download the files faster than legitimate sources will.

(iTunes: ~2-3 MB/s = Website: ~6-7MB/s)
(Steam: ~1-2 MB/s = Website: ~4-5 MB/s)

Still, the piracy is much bigger in areas like gaming where getting the legitimate version filled with DRM and GARBAGE is much more difficult, slower, and cumbersome than just downloading the thing and installing it right away from a random website is much much easier.

 

[linds15]

its also about the public perception, people don't feel bad about piracy when they see rappers drop 50k at a strip club or that some tom cruise makes almost 20M a movie. takes away the sense of people's work

 

[XboxMySocks]

>thereby stealing a potential sale from the copyright holder. It therefore steals the compensation for that copyright holders work.

You are assuming someone who copies a song ever intended paying for it. It doesn't count as a lost sale if they were never going to buy it in the first place.

Not excusing piracy, now. But just adding some logic

 

[Bartender4]

Do you give your work away in your business? If your answer is anything other than "yes I give all my work away for free" then you need to shut up.

For those that can't afford I do give it and not just in this times but always. It's sad that people will probably think I'm just saying bullsh/t, because they can't or don't want to believe it.

 

[MRU]

You are assuming someone who copies a song ever intended paying for it. It doesn't count as a lost sale if they were never going to buy it in the first place.

Not excusing piracy, now. But just adding some logic

No I am not assuming they were going to ever pay for it definitively, I said 'potential sale' that is the way copyright law is structured and, it's still doesn't change the fact that once someone's work is copied, the duplicate is theft from the copyright holder whether they ever were potentially intending to pay or not.

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its also about the public perception, people don't feel bad about piracy when they see rappers drop 50k at a strip club or that some tom cruise makes almost 20M a movie. takes away the sense of people's work

Other than major celebrities, there are plenty (if not majority of musicians and writers/authors and artists) who make music or write books that only just bring them home a basic living.

Copyright law is there to protect them too.

 

[XboxMySocks]

No I am not assuming they were going to ever pay for it definitively, I said 'potential sale' that is the way copyright law is structured and, it's still doesn't change the fact that once someone's work is copied, the duplicate is theft from the copyright holder whether they ever were potentially intending to pay or not.

Yeah, the law is structured that way yet I think it is wrong. What I said is correct - if there was no intent to buy, it wasn't even a potential sale.

You're right though, it's still theft and rightfully illegal

 

[Apple fanboy]

Let's face facts, piracy isn't going anywhere and all these efforts to stop it are simply a waste of money.

But it can be slowed down quite a bit IMO.


How though?


I think a huge thing is a refund policy across digital media (CD's, downloads, apps, movies, video games).

For a while I refused to buy music because I was tired of getting a tape (yes I'm an 80's baby) and the majority of songs may or may not be good and the no refund policy really irritated me. I felt cheated on more than one occasion.

CD's came out and the same thing continued.

That prompted me to start pirating them. I actually bought more music AFTER piracy (and I know I'm not the only person like this) due to the fact that I knew the music was great.

Why buy you might ask?

Because the sound quality is way better on a CD than any other digital media and the fact that an artist and label has to turn a profit. If they do, they crapify their music so I feel like it's my duty to pay for it if it's good.

If i could buy the CD, and if it's bad, I can return it, same with apps, games, movies.

How can you really be mad at people about piracy when you're essentially forcing them into it with terrible policies?

I think if we had some better consumer laws about this we wouldn't have as big of a piracy problem.

So you would go out and buy a CD, but when it turned out to be rubbish be made you couldn't return it?

That's bonkers. I hear music I like on the radio or whatever then go and buy the album. Back in the physical age I might buy an album because I liked one song, but found I only liked that one. These days I hardly ever buy albums as I just download (iTunes) the songs I like.

The only way we can stop piracy is for people to realise its a crime like shoplifting. Do you shoplift as well?

 

[thehustleman]

So you would go out and buy a CD, but when it turned out to be rubbish be made you couldn't return it?

That's bonkers. I hear music I like on the radio or whatever then go and buy the album. Back in the physical age I might buy an album because I liked one song, but found I only liked that one. These days I hardly ever buy albums as I just download (iTunes) the songs I like.

The only way we can stop piracy is for people to realise its a crime like shoplifting. Do you shoplift as well?

1. No artist puts their whole album on the radio plus the radio ruins songs
2. Why wouldn't I be mad I can't return a bad CD? There's no logical reason I SHOULDN'T be able to return a bad CD. I hear what the artist puts on the radio, thinking "hey they make some great music" only to find out the album is trash and those are the only good songs on it. I should definitely receive a refund.
3. If I only buy the song I like, I could be missing out on some great music.

I wouldn't have to download first or borrow a friend's CD to hear it.

Plus compact disc is still the best form of digital music.
4. Of course I don't shoplift, I'm not a thief

 

[ValtermcPires]

I'm being total honest, i have the JB but is not for DL games/apps, i have it for themes and tweals nothing more.

I don't DL games for my PS3 or PC, i buy them all especially on steam where games are super cheap.

Now yes i do DL movies but that is the only thing i do, and why? Well i don't know very well, in 1 year i should DL maybe 10 movies or so, is not a huge crime but movies here i live are super expensive so yeah.

About piracy, people always say is expeinve and what not (sometimes is true) but they prefer to spend their money on others things so them save by DL stuff.

 

[Apple fanboy]

1. No artist puts their whole album on the radio plus the radio ruins songs
2. Why wouldn't I be mad I can't return a bad CD? There's no logical reason I SHOULDN'T be able to return a bad CD. I hear what the artist puts on the radio, thinking "hey they make some great music" only to find out the album is trash and those are the only good songs on it. I should definitely receive a refund.
3. If I only buy the song I like, I could be missing out on some great music.

I wouldn't have to download first or borrow a friend's CD to hear it.

Plus compact disc is still the best form of digital music.
4. Of course I don't shoplift, I'm not a thief

If you steal online music you are a thief. Call it piracy if you like but taking something without paying is theft.

If you hear a song you like, you can check out the artists other music online without downloading it (YouTube etc). The fact that you say if you like it you will buy it later really doesn't wash. Try doing the same next time McDonalds bring out a new burger. Go and help yourself to one and tell them you will pay for it if you like it.

 

[Bartender4]

If you steal online music you are a thief. Call it piracy if you like but taking something without paying is theft.

If you hear a song you like, you can check out the artists other music online without downloading it (YouTube etc). The fact that you say if you like it you will buy it later really doesn't wash. Try doing the same next time McDonalds bring out a new burger. Go and help yourself to one and tell them you will pay for it if you like it.

Do u think that u should pay, if u took a burger put it in duplicating machine (if one would exist) return original burger and take the duplicate/copy of burger and eat it? I wouldn't, I would maybe tip the guy who gave the burger to but not the full price.

 

[thehustleman]

If you steal online music you are a thief. Call it piracy if you like but taking something without paying is theft.

If you hear a song you like, you can check out the artists other music online without downloading it (YouTube etc). The fact that you say if you like it you will buy it later really doesn't wash. Try doing the same next time McDonalds bring out a new burger. Go and help yourself to one and tell them you will pay for it if you like it.

1. It isn't stealing. If a friend says "make a copy of this CD, you need to hear this" and you do it, you aren't stealing but you are making a copy. It is NOT stealing. You have to take something that isn't offered to you for free in order to steal it.

2. Can't play YouTube in the car...

3. Actually if you don't like something at McDonald's they will give you a refund, can't get that from a CD.

4. I'm sure Eminem, 50-cent, Jay-Z, twista, nas, Anthony Hamilton, mystikal, queen, dmx, Dr. Dre, outkast, and many many more are happy I downloaded their albums, I wouldn't have bought them if I didn't download them first.


I own over 500 CD's and like 90% of them were downloaded first, then purchased. Take away my ability to download and those albums wouldn't have been purchased.

 

[linds15]

Other than major celebrities, there are plenty (if not majority of musicians and writers/authors and artists) who make music or write books that only just bring them home a basic living.

Copyright law is there to protect them too.

completely agree, thats why i said perception, the guy holding the boon is making a modest salary, but when people see the **** the celebs pull, which is all over the news constantly, they don't consider the background, its the stars in the foreground who they have no problem stealing or whatever term best applies

 

[cclloyd]

I 100% always pirate a song first. If I like it and still listen to it 2 weeks later, I buy it. Simple as that.

Movies I don't buy though cause they're way overpriced and too inconvenient. I can put the DRM free movie on my server and watch it from anywhere, not just products I bought it on.

 

[j4zb41]

People who pirate always know that it was stealing .... They simply didn't care because the physical repercussions of the act are so remote as opposed to going into a shop and physically stealing an item.

Many people do not realize that... I explained this to a few of my friends and people I know who used to just download free songs... I had to explain it isn't free... And how you are takin an artists work without paying him any remuneration for his/her work with many a analogies... I am thankful I managed to convert a couple of them...

 

[stroked]

No what I meant was it's a lot more convenient to walk to a store and buy a CD than it is to scour the Web and find a place to download without causing problems.







No it isn't, it's copying.

If i have a book, and a friend copies every page in it on a copier, but I still have my book, I can't call and report that as stolen, because I still have my book.

Your friend stole from whoever owned the copyright of that book.