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This is one of my DELL Precision 650 workstations. A few of my DELL PowerEdges have like this too. It's bad and you can trust me you don't want it. It's OK when new or if you keep it on a desktop but otherwise no thank you!
Not my favorite PSU format, and as you say, the location of it, and the system on the floor = vacuum cleaner. :eek: :p

Clean layout of the internals though. ;)

Also with a PSU in the bottom most systems seem to telescope more noise into whatever surface it's sitting on. If that's a thin-skinned desk then the desk will act a bit like a loud-speaker and amplify the noise.
Were you ever able to mitigate it with anything such as different feet or a foam sheet that's available?
 
Not my favorite PSU format, and as you say, the location of it, and the system on the floor = vacuum cleaner. :eek: :p

Clean layout of the internals though. ;)

Yup! DELL has a really nice layout besides the PSU. And perfectly silent too. :)


Were you ever able to mitigate it with anything such as different feet or a foam sheet that's available?

Nah, others may care about noise but I don't mind at all - just crank the tunes and it all goes away. :D I did end up suspending them from the ceiling for a few other reasons tho. Bouncy floor, vacuum thing, and needed desk space. That was at my office tho which I no longer have. Now there are six of those on the floor with a stretch of plywood on top all being used as a shelf for my microscope collection. :D
 
That's impressive! Super clean and elegant. I like it.
It is... even if the LCD display is over the top.

But then you see the top view of this thing...

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...and think OK, so let me get this straight -- the dust goes in through these huge slits at the top, and then it has nowhere to get out?
 
More HD space, could squeeze another row in IMO.

As for everything else, its perfect.

More FW800 over eSATA tho, eSATA is the worst connection design i've ever, EVER come across, its buggered up a number of times.

No thank you!

PSU at the bottom? Why? :/

PSU at the top TYVM, seeing as its the hottest part of the whole computer :rolleyes:
 
I'd like to see more USB ports on the rear, as well as matched pairs of FireWire ports - I have several ACDs, and can't plug in all the FW hubs on the monitors as there aren't the ports, and I'll be damned if I'm adding an external boxy hub.

I did like the power supply at the bottom of my G5 - was a bit annoyed when I bought the Mac Pro and found it at the top. It just means more dangling cables getting in the way. However, I understand it can cause dust problems...
 
Yup! DELL has a really nice layout besides the PSU. And perfectly silent too. :)
What more vendors should strive to do. Unfortunately, not likely. :p

Nah, others may care about noise but I don't mind at all - just crank the tunes and it all goes away. :D I did end up suspending them from the ceiling for a few other reasons tho. Bouncy floor, vacuum thing, and needed desk space. That was at my office tho which I no longer have.
That's one way to get creative for finding/utilizing available space. :D

Now there are six of those on the floor with a stretch of plywood on top all being used as a shelf for my microscope collection. :D
I thought everyone did stuff like that. :D :p
 
More HD space, could squeeze another row in IMO.

As for everything else, its perfect.

More FW800 over eSATA tho, eSATA is the worst connection design i've ever, EVER come across, its buggered up a number of times.

No thank you!

PSU at the bottom? Why? :/

PSU at the top TYVM, seeing as its the hottest part of the whole computer :rolleyes:

eSATA's connector might not be perfect, but it's significantly faster. Compromises are everywhere, unfortunately.

I'd say Mini DisplayPort is the worst connection I've ever seen, though. Not because the physical design is bad, but because its existence on anything other than the Air is pointless.
 
- no miniDisplayport (what a disaster - just look at the product reviews on Apple's own site for trying to get miniDisplayport to work with dual-link DVI based monitor using the Apple adapter)

- more ports for sure (FW800, USB 2.0, an eSATA would be nice)
 
You all really need more firewire ports? I can't imagine needing more than four FW800 ports. If only because there aren't enough FW800 devices yet. I feel like I could use more, but I have 2 FW400 and 2FW800 ports and can use most of them. But there aren't so many devices with an 800 port yet. Now, FW3200, would be as fast as eSATA and have the nicer connector to boot...
 
You all really need more firewire ports? I can't imagine needing more than four FW800 ports.
Four is plenty, but I wish they would concentrate them to the back instead of a near 50/50 split between front and back in terms of USB and FW ports. Having the same number of FW ports on the front as on the back seems kind of weird (who wants cable spaghetti on the front anyway?), and only 3 USB ports on the back is laughably weak, I mean any ol' consumer PC has 4-8 on the back and 2 on the front. Apple have this passive-aggressive relationship to cables, they pride themselves on offering some sort of cable-clutter-free universe, but then they put all the ports in really visible places (the side or the front rather than the back) and make white cables that can be seen from a mile away... no PC desk I've ever had looked as messy as any of my Mac desks...
 
I'm not asking about what you want to see in the new Mac Pro. I'm asking, what would you like to see in a new Mac Pro case/enclosure?

Me? I would like to see:

• Slot-loading drives
• Make the cheesegrader finer, like the uMBP speakers, as opposed to the classic MBP's
Something like this?

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:D At first I thought that was an old SGI workstation. Is the case really purple or is that just funky lighting?

I think it's too closely associated with Apple's dark years in the mid 90's... when they had a whole arsenal of beige pizza boxes that ranged from low end Performa to high-end PPCs with confusing model numbers. The horizontal design is jinxed as far as Apple is concerned. Mac Mini and the blob at the base of the lampshade iMac is the closest they'll ever get to horizontal layout...

You have a point there...nobody wants to be reminded of the "Dellpple" years. :D However let's not forget the yummy horizontal goodness of the Xserve. I mean, servers just sit bolted to a rack out of sight, yet Apple gave theirs the tasty brushed aluminum look anyway. A Mac Pro in the Xserve form factor would be pretty awesome I think, but of course they'll never do it. :(

:cool: Oh no not blue. That color is soo annoying on LED's. I think just a soft white glowing Apple Logo would be quite smart looking.

Yet another reason to schlep my Mac Pro with me to Starbucks. :D
 
:D At first I thought that was an old SGI workstation. Is the case really purple or is that just funky lighting?

Yeah, that's their color under a 5500 K (kelvins) colored light source - Typical camera flash.

But yes, they do remind me of the SGI Intel workstations or even the Intergraph workstations from about the same period.
 
Drool territory in their day. :D

I had 40 of the SGI NT Workstations in one classroom and 43 of the Intergraphs in another. I think the SGI model number was 540 IIRC and the Intergraphs were the Zx1 ViZual Workstations with the Intense3D Wildcat 4000 series display cards. Sweet stuff!

I think it was the SGIs that came with a TOTALLY KICK-ARSE virtual system tour all done in VRML that looked and interacted more like a top video game available in recent times. Those systems' responsiveness were far greater than the 2009 Mac Pro 2.93 GHz octads are today.

Those were good times! All pre-911. :p
 
I had 40 of the SGI NT Workstations in one classroom and 43 of the Intergraphs in another. I think the SGI model number was 540 IIRC and the Intergraphs were the Zx1 ViZual Workstations with the Intense3D Wildcat 4000 series display cards. Sweet stuff!

I think it was the SGIs that came with a TOTALLY KICK-ARSE virtual system tour all done in VRML that looked and interacted more like a top video game available in recent times. Those systems' responsiveness were far greater than the 2009 Mac Pro 2.93 GHz octads are today.

Those were good times! All pre-911. :p
I also have some fond memories of DEC's Alpha machines. ;) Faster than anything available in a desktop that I ever had access to at the time, IIRC.

It's a shame that DEC was swallowed up by Compaq, then by HP. :( They had some really talented designers in those days.
 
I also have some fond memories of DEC's Alpha machines. ;) Faster than anything available in a desktop that I ever had access to at the time, IIRC.

It's a shame that DEC was swallowed up by Compaq, then by HP. :( They had some really talented designers in those days.

Yep! My second render farm was based on Alphas. From 12 Amiga 4000s to 48 DEC Alpha 21164-LX 533s in my own kinda blade-like configuration. From there down to 24 DELL 410 precisions modded to dual 1GHz xeons and then from there to 12 DELL 650 Precisions @ dual 3.x GHz w/HT - of which I still have 6. But I barely do any CG work these days so they don't see much use. Besides, I'm playing with my mac now! :D
 
Yep! My second render farm was based on Alphas. From 12 Amiga 4000s to 48 DEC Alpha 21164-LX 533s in my own kinda blade-like configuration. From there down to 24 DELL 410 precisions modded to dual 1GHz xeons and then from there to 12 DELL 650 Precisions @ dual 3.x GHz w/HT - of which I still have 6. But I barely do any CG work these days so they don't see much use. Besides, I'm playing with my mac now! :D
Oh how the mighty have fallen. :D :p
 
Hehehe... But Macs ROCK! :D

For the render-farm revisions tho actually each time I doubled my speed and cut the number of machines in half at the same time. Nya-nya! :D
Via CPU improvements though. ;) Intel did the work. :D :p

BTW, farming = cheating! :D How dare you parallel machines. :p

Now when you can get the power of a 10-12 machine farm in a single chip, then we'll have something. :eek: And we'll lose it with interest since software will end up with exponential bloat. :p
 
Hehehe, yeah. While my rendering power doubled my frame rates stayed relatively the same. With more power I could turn on more and more realistic rending attributes. Better quality lighting, micro-bump mapped surfacing, etc. etc. so while I averaged 5 to 8 min. a frame back on the Amigas I still average 5 to 8 min. on Mac 8-core or the Precision 650 4-cores. The difference is that now the renders look like frigging photographs and back on the Amigas they looked a bit like Tron or something. :)
 
Oh how the mighty have fallen. :D :p

Hehehe, yeah. While my rendering power doubled my frame rates stayed relatively the same. With more power I could turn on more and more realistic rending attributes. Better quality lighting, micro-bump mapped surfacing, etc. etc. so while I averaged 5 to 8 min. a frame back on the Amigas I still average 5 to 8 min. on Mac 8-core or the Precision 650 4-cores. The difference is that now the renders look like frigging photographs and back on the Amigas they looked a bit like Tron or something. :)

Not that I mind, but do you two realize in at least a couple of threads, you get way off topic into past nostalga?! :p You two really should get a room! :p
 
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