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Sure.

I have two different models, this is the one I am using upstairs. It does have an AC adapter

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VD5GJ1M/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The machine I have in my bedroom is USB only, but I have it plugged into my iDevice charger in my surge protector. It is a little louder than the above model (and a bit more gaudy), see link below.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SZD7MFZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s03?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I like them both. You can chose a variety of noises and light colors. I tend to go for the industrial fan noise though the birds on the first model shut the neighbors up next door too.

Not as much fun as blasting death metal, but a bit nicer to the neighbors who aren't complete $*@Q.
Soo if I may inquire, what is the difference between those gadgets and say one of the numerous "white noise and other soothing sounds" apps that I can play as my phone is plugged in on my nightstand with a bluetooth speaker? I am guessing it's the volume and reach throughout your apartment - and the neighbours?
 
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Soo if I may inquire, what is the difference between those gadgets and say one of the numerous "white noise and other soothing sounds" apps that I can play as my phone is plugged in on my nightstand with a bluetooth speaker? I am guessing it's the volume and reach throughout your apartment - and the neighbours?
Sure. Beyond volume -which is very important- you can also use them as night lights. I tried some apps to no avail. These also have brown and pink noises (Whatever they are). I am sure the apps allow for timers, but I run these for hours on end, and/or overnight. They do not take up much space either.

Happy Veterans Day to those who served, and/or are serving. 🤗 I do appreciate it.

Another nice perk of working today, an almost empty commuter train. 🙂
 
Puss in boots so why not cats in pants? In other news it is bright and sunny though still cold (but that’s ok). Not helping my dour mood of late. :p
Touche! (Especially if Shrek's Puss in Boots).

Hope you feel better decaf! 🤗

What's on my mind?

Mom and...

The Mac or PC thing, depends on this 16" MBP. I made a Pros and Cons list yesterday and was rather surprised at the results. I may be able to sell Macs but...IDK. 😑
 
Touche! (Especially if Shrek's Puss in Boots).

Hope you feel better decaf! 🤗

What's on my mind?

Mom and...

The Mac or PC thing, depends on this 16" MBP. I made a Pros and Cons list yesterday and was rather surprised at the results. I may be able to sell Macs but...IDK. 😑

Tying some of those random thoughts together, I remember watching Shrek on TV (the first movie was brilliant, the sequels, as is so often the case, a lot less so), with my Mother, and the pair of us shouting with laughter at the wit, script, stunning CGI, and wonderfully told story.
 
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Tying some of those random thoughts together, I remember watching Shrek on TV (the first movie was brilliant, the sequels, as is so often the case, a lot less so), with my Mother, and the pair of us shouting with laughter at the wit, script, stunning CGI, and wonderfully told story.
Mom and I love the first Shrek too, Puss's character and the hilarious Christmas special.

Shrek is definitely my favorite "kiddie/kitty*" :panimated movie and certainly touting a fantastic screenplay & voice cast. Love the moral too.

*Yes, I remember Puss arrives in Shrek 2, but I couldn't resist.
 
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Mom and I love the first Shrek too, Puss's character and the hilarious Christmas special.

Shrek is definitely my favorite "kiddie/kitty*" :panimated movie and certainly touting a fantastic screenplay & voice cast. Love the moral too.

*Yes, I remember Puss arrives in Shrek 2, but I couldn't resist.

Shrek 2 had its moments, and some terrific scenes - Puss was an excellent character - but the movie as a whole - as a story - lacked the heft and strength of the first movie.

And yes, the best stories also manage to convey a moral - tucked neatly into the very fibre of the story so that you don't notice it as it unfolds but it is germane to the core value of the story being told.

But, I do remember my mother helpless with laughter at Shrek 1 - and how we both hugely enjoyed it together; it wasn't just a superb spectacle, it was clever, witty, sharp, and true.

Then, there came a time when she would no longer have understood the sharp adult humour of some of the jokes in Shrek, and another time also came, later still, when even the child's story would have been beyond her, when pure spectacle and slapstick sufficed (along with ABBA, to whom I remain eternally grateful).

Good luck with your mother.
 
Being able to stand on the surface of Mercury and look at the enormity of the sun. (Presuming that the sun, in numerous ways, wouldn't kill me of course).

Earth is, on average, 93 million miles (150 million kilometers) from the sun.

Mercury, on average, is 36 million miles (58 million kilometers) from the sun.
 
So I meant to respond to this inquiry earlier this week; however, I've been dealing with a nasty sinus infection, strong antibiotics, and all the fun side effects of it all. So my mind hasn't been so clear this week.

I've not viewed this thread since this quoted post, and I don't know what answers others have given yet. I'll go back and read them after I post my thoughts.

The first thing that I thought about when I saw this was the Star Trek (TOS) episode "Return to Tomorrow" S2:E20.



The five senses
  • Smell
  • Touch
  • Taste
  • Vision
  • Hearing
Additional constraints
  • No hunger
  • No pain
  • No feeling of heat or cold (though "cold" actually doesn't exist - it's merely an abstract concept in our minds or more accurately described as the absence of relative heat. Heat is measurable, while "cold" is not. We could invoke the laws of thermodynamics here and say that "cold" is what we feel when heat (or more accurately, energy) is transferred between objects of unequal temperature. So really we're feeling a transference.)
  • I'll classify these constraints as to fall under the five senses, specifically Touch.
The sense of touch is regulated by the central nervous system on a relative scale. When we touch something (lightly), we feel it. When we touch something really hard (pushing a finger on a tack), that feeling becomes pain, but it's still the same thing. So I'll argue that hunger and pain as well as hot or cold fall under touch because we can "feel" all of those things in a physical way.

I think we should also add to this thought experiment an additional qualifier. That qualifier would be that the body and, more importantly, the brain of this person is fully developed, minus the constraints mentioned above.

1. Can the person think?​

I believe that the answer is yes. However, it wouldn't think as we know it as a fully developed human. The person would likely have only primitive "thoughts" that are more instinctual. Survival being the chief one and reproduction being another. All of what we know in our advanced brains and "think" is mostly a learned behavior. Our parents, siblings, peers, and others in society contribute to what and how we "know" things.

If this person lacks all of the senses, there is no way to get information into the mind of the person. There is no way for the person to observe (through the five senses) and learn through its own experiences.

I believe the person would "think" more like an animal on the lower end of the intelligence scale. Just base and primal "thoughts" if you will.

2. Can this person have feelings? (emotional)​

I'm going to say maybe. Some, if not all, emotions are also very base and primal at some levels. We can see animals experience a variety of emotions, anger when being abused, sorrow when one of their family members dies (elephants), love (dogs cats, primates), and so on.

Though this person would have a tough time feeling these things as we perceive them without being able to attach senses to them. Things like a photo of a loved one passed on. The feeling of touching their face, smelling their hair, or hearing their voice. I think it would be a stretch to say the person could experience love.

If anything, I'd venture a guess that the person might experience frustration and anxiety but not know what they are or why they have them.

I'm sure someone probably mentioned Helen Keller already, and she is perhaps one of the only known (or widely known) humans to be born without two of the most significant senses.

The other thought I had was those people who suffer from pseudocoma or locked-in syndrome. Although, they can think like anyone else, but are unable to communicate except by blinking in some cases.

This is an interesting topic of discussion.

What a fantastic reply, I didn't expect such a detailed answer to the question. I actually printed it and put it in my "Studies on Consciousness" folder. Let me ponder on this a bit.
 
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What a fantastic reply, I didn't expect such a detailed answer to the question. I actually printed it and put it in my "Studies on Consciousness" folder. Let me ponder on this a bit.
I'm gaining some more insight into this topic today as I am about halfway through Helen Keller's book. In it, she articulates what it was like in her early years being unable to communicate except by anger and frustration when her demands were not met. Her family, before her teacher came along, unknowingly enabled her poor behavior simply to appease her and lessen her tantrums. They did the best they knew how which is why they sought outside assistance for her.

Helen's early years before she was able to communicate shows some of our primal instincts of frustration, anxiety, and anger though her lashing out when she couldn't get what she wanted. She and her family had developed only a handful of basic techniques to tend to her needs and wants and that is all she was able to express.

I can more easily imagine a person in a situation as posed in this thought experiment would be just like Helen, only a magnitude worse off, especially in its mind.

Reading Helen's book, it brings to the forefront of my mind right now how lucky we are to have all our senses about us and to be able to communicate with one another. To get out of, or to share, what is in our minds with others is huge for our health and well-being. It's not something we give conscious thought to and take for granted. However, when two of the most critical of the five senses are removed, we can only imagine how awful an experience that must be.

Your Studies on Consciousness folder sounds highly intriguing to me. Could you share what you have in it?
 
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I'm gaining some more insight into this topic today as I am about halfway through Helen Keller's book. In it, she articulates what it was like in her early years being unable to communicate except by anger and frustration when her demands were not met. Her family, before her teacher came along, unknowingly enabled her poor behavior simply to appease her and lessen her tantrums. They did the best they knew how which is why they sought outside assistance for her.

Helen's early years before she was able to communicate shows some of our primal instincts of frustration, anxiety, and anger though her lashing out when she couldn't get what she wanted. She and her family had developed only a handful of basic techniques to tend to her needs and wants and that is all she was able to express.

I can more easily imagine a person in a situation as posed in this thought experiment would be just like Helen, only a magnitude worse off, especially in its mind.

Reading Helen's book, it brings to the forefront of my mind right now how lucky we are to have all our senses about us and to be able to communicate with one another. To get out of, or to share, what is in our minds with others is huge for our health and well-being. It's not something we give conscious thought to and take for granted. However, when two of the most critical of the five senses are removed, we can only imagine how awful an experience that must be.

Your Studies on Consciousness folder sounds highly intriguing to me. Could you share what you have in it?

Looks like I should read the book on Keller.

As for the folder, not much for now. It mainly contains papers that I found through EBSCOHost and other digital services. Some of them are scientifically based, some of them are more on the mystical side (mainly meditation). I am also gathering a few books on the various topics such as this . I am trying to avoid my own bias as much as possible, so I am sure I am gathering some garbage too. I think that ultimately consciousness is one of the most intriguing topics (we still can't really define it if we want to be honest). It will take years before I can claim to even having scratched the surface of the subject.
Edit: Let me add, I am starting to believe in a form of universal consciousness more and more...
 
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Being able to stand on the surface of Mercury and look at the enormity of the sun. (Presuming that the sun, in numerous ways, wouldn't kill me of course).

Earth is, on average, 93 million miles (150 million kilometers) from the sun.

Mercury, on average, is 36 million miles (58 million kilometers) from the sun.

One of the books (about the planets) that my parents purchased for me when I was a child absorbed and utterly fascinated by such matters, contained, in the page introducing Mercury, a sentence to the effect that the surface temperatures on Mercury were "hot enough to melt lead".

I never forgot that detail, - it remained seared on my mind - and understood, even at a very young age, that this would put any attempt at serious surface exploration of that planet into the far and indefinite future. At least, with the tools at our disposal at that time.
 
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One of the books (about the planets) that my parents purchased for me when I was a child absorbed and utterly fascinated by such matters, contained, in the page introducing Mercury, a sentence to the effect that the surface temperatures on Mercury were "hot enough to melt lead".

I never forgot that detail, - it remained seared on my mind - and understood, even at a very young age, that this would put any attempt at serious surface exploration of that planet into the far and indefinite future. At least, with the tools at our disposal at that time.
Yup. Lead melts at 327.46 °C, 621.43 °F and the dayside surface of Mercury, a tidally locked planet is about 427 °C, 800 °F. So, yeah, that would make for a slightly uncomfortable, balmy, time there.
 
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That's during the day... at night it will (I'll go into scientific terminology here) freeze your butt off.

"Daytime Temperatures can reach 430 degrees Celsius (800 degrees Fahrenheit) and drop to
-180 degrees Celsius (-290 degrees Fahrenheit) at night"

First you melt, and then, what has been melted, freezes into something beyond solidity.

I'll be honest: As a kid, the details of how cold Mercury could be at night didn't really register with me (whereas that precise aspect of some of the outer planets was exactly what remained in my mind); however, the image of lead melting, (immediately after an imagined touchdown), that remained forever etched on my mind.

Yup. Lead melts at 327.46 °C, 621.43 °F and the dayside surface of Mercury, a tidally locked planet is about 427 °C, 800 °F. So, yeah, that would make for a slightly uncomfortable, balmy, time there.

Very uncomfortable.

Then, the wonderful Carl Sagan, with his unforgettable image of Venus as having once been Earth's terrestrial twin planet, but, a twin gone weirdly very wrong with a runaway greenhouse effect leading to emergence of that steaming, and utterly poisonous, atmosphere, stunned me while watching his magisterial series (Cosmos), when I was an undergrad.
 
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Then, the wonderful Carl Sagan, with his unforgettable image of Venus as having once been Earth's terrestrial twin planet, but, a twin gone weirdly very wrong with a runaway greenhouse effect leading to emergence of that steaming, and utterly poisonous, atmosphere, stunned me while watching his magisterial series (Cosmos), when I was an undergrad.

We must mention Pale Blue Dot.
 
First you melt, and then, what has been melted, freezes into something beyond solidity.

I'll be honest: As a kid, the details of how cold Mercury could be at night didn't really register with me (whereas that precise aspect of some of the outer planets was exactly what remained in my mind); however, the image of lead melting, (immediately after an imagined touchdown), that remained forever etched on my mind.



Very uncomfortable.

Then, the wonderful Carl Sagan, with his unforgettable image of Venus as having once been Earth's terrestrial twin planet, but, a twin gone weirdly very wrong with a runaway greenhouse effect leading to emergence of that steaming, and utterly poisonous, atmosphere, stunned me while watching his magisterial series (Cosmos), when I was an undergrad.
An interesting fact about Mercury's rotation being in a 2:3 tidally locked orbit.
Mercury rotates in a way that is unique in the Solar System. It is tidally locked with the Sun in a 3:2 spin-orbit resonance,[16] meaning that relative to the fixed stars, it rotates on its axis exactly three times for every two revolutions it makes around the Sun.[a][17] As seen from the Sun, in a frame of reference that rotates with the orbital motion, it appears to rotate only once every two Mercurian years. An observer on Mercury would therefore see only one day every two Mercurian years.
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We must mention Pale Blue Dot.
Neil deGrasse Tyson and NatGeo are coming out with a new season of Cosmos next spring.

 
We must mention Pale Blue Dot.

Actually, I adored Sagan's series - it was spell-binding stuff; (I remember friends in pubs phoning me to join them - and not understanding why I deferred meeting them for the hour the show transmitted, but cheerfully arriving - entirely unapologetically - a few hours after everyone else had long ensconced themselves in snugs).

Pale Blue Dot, the moons of Jupiter, (absolutely awesome), the story of the Voyagers, the sheer intelligence - but (the grim warning of what had happened with Venus notwithstanding) the glorious optimism of the series, the love of learning and ecstatic excitement in exploration and joy in knowledge, - plus, of course, that unforgettable score by Vangelis (yes, I bought that as a CD some years alter, and still have it on my iTunes and mp3 players), now, that was public serviced broadcasting at its wonderful - informative, educational, and entertaining - and inspirational best.
 
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