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This is one of the most gorgeous computers to surf the internet on. I like to actually surf now. It is gorgeous. If you can afford it, than there should not be a single complaint!

You do realize that pretty much all images on the Internet actually look worse on the screen right?
 
Pull up the thread of the 2008 notebook event if you want to see hate. :D. Major b*tching, especially about the glossy displays and black keyboard. Amazing how now it's considered probably Apple's best design and one many a competitor has copied it some form.
 
moaning about apple products is a national pass time for some people.

Jealousy is the main issue.

My old man cant understand me paying £1800 on a notebook but he doesnt come on macrumours to bitch about it....

The people bitching on here are people who want it and cant afford it.

Want it but its not perfect ENOUGH

Just bought a 2011 MBP and trying to make themselves feel better

Are Jealous of people who have one and want to piss on their bonfire.

Are the kind of people who pick faults on supermodels

Who drive hondas and bitch about BMW drivers.


You can pretty much fit them into the above.
 
moaning about apple products is a national pass time for some people.

Jealousy is the main issue.

My old man cant understand me paying £1800 on a notebook but he doesnt come on macrumours to bitch about it....

The people bitching on here are people who want it and cant afford it.

Want it but its not perfect ENOUGH

Just bought a 2011 MBP and trying to make themselves feel better

Are Jealous of people who have one and want to piss on their bonfire.

Are the kind of people who pick faults on supermodels

Who drive hondas and bitch about BMW drivers.


You can pretty much fit them into the above.

Yep! basic summation on the haters but to be fair some supermodels have pointy elbows! numwatImsaying?
 
When actually, it's filling in a gap in their product line and isn't the future of MBPs at all.

OK, then you disagree with Steve Jobs who stated the MBA is the future of laptops. Now, if I have to choose between the former CEO of Apple and a guy on the Internet on the direction of Apple products I going to pick the former CEO, especially when it's Steve Jobs.

The RMBP isn't a gap filler... the MBP w/ optical drive is. At min. the 15" won't be on Apple's product sheet this time next year, and 50/50 the 13" won't either. Bank on it.

I'm not sure what you mean by that statement. I love change and have been an early adaptor my whole life. I had a computer at home (late 70's when only a handful of people did) and one of the first commercial home pcs. I had the first LED watch (replaced the battery monthly), first voice synthesized watch (took 4 hearing aid batteries), etc. I also can't wait to get an all electric car. But the one thing I learned "growing up" is that there is a right time to buy into a new technology. The all electric car isn't there yet and the rMBP isn't there either.

Yes, but the RMBP isn't being pilloried by detractors b/c it isn't mature -- neither was the original MBA. The RMBP is hated b/c it takes removes, or severely limits, the DIY option from the menu.

Take a look at the majority of comments of buyers of the old school MBPs -- they compare it to the RMBP's lack of post-purchase upgradability. THAT is what they can't adapt to, not the screen itself. The Retina screen will come into its own. It's a PC standard too (HiDPI). But the RMBP rings in the era of the sealed laptop, and that is why geeks resent.
 
I can afford it, and I want to be able to justify picking it up over the non retina MBP. But the whole non-mod-ability of it annoys me. Also, I actually need a lot of the things like ethernet, firewire and occasionally optical discs.
Ironically I will probably spend more to get a regular 2.6 mbp fitted with the hires antiglare screen and an SSD.
Right now I will wait to see what happens this month in terms of product roll outs at Apple to coincide with ML.
I may just pick up a s012 Mini or iMac if the specs are right. Then pick up a MBP or RMBP through my work. I'll have less lattitude with the BTO options but it certainly is cheaper to have your cake and eat it too!
 
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OK, then you disagree with Steve Jobs who stated the MBA is the future of laptops. Now, if I have to choose between the former CEO of Apple and a guy on the Internet on the direction of Apple products I going to pick the former CEO, especially when it's Steve Jobs.
The rMBP is clearly the future of the MBP range, but releasing a the new Retina MBP whilst also offering a near-identically-specified upgraded cMBP is very un-Jobs-like. It's almost like Apple's upper management don't think the Retina is quite ready for mainstream yet.

I suspect Jobs would have waited for Haswell to release the Retina, and killed the cMBP dead at the same time. He wasn't one for wooly-compromises and letting the consumer decide.
 
They can't afford them, so they trash it.

It's not like they're broke. After all, this model is particularly pricey up front, and a huge expense.

So true. What is this if-you-have-something-different-from-me you must be wrong?

My rMBP is the best notebook I have ever used. If you want something else, just get it. You need not trash mine just because you want something different. Actually not everyone even needs this rMBP and that probably includes me. I still love it though.
 
I could have gotten a rMBP but I simply did not need or want it. I am happy with the one I bought and I would not change a single thing. That said, I am happy for those that did buy and enjoy them. Everyone has different needs.

It works both ways, though. I have seen examples of people who berate those who bought the cMBP, just like some do the other way around.

Can't we all just be happy with whatever model we buy? After all, we are all in the Mac family...we could be stuck with dull PCs. ;)
 
I can afford it, and I want to be able to justify picking it up over the non retina MBP. But the whole non-mod-ability of it annoys me. Also, I actually need a lot of the things like ethernet, firewire and occasionally optical discs.

Of all the arguments against the rMBP, the most specious is the lack of Ethernet. "Oh dear, oh dear, how dare they expect me to connect to Ethernet through a cable I have to plug into the side!"

Apple makes 5 laptops. 3 of them have no optical drive. The mini has no optical drive.

What are people going to do if the new iMacs have no optical drive either? Does it really make sense for Apple to spend a little money and a lot of space on something so few people need or want?

And for those who vow to go to Windows - they're already gone on Ultrabooks. The Samsung Series 9 needs a dongle for Ethernet. What we're seeing on the rMBP today will be on all computers tomorrow.
 
Of all the arguments against the rMBP, the most specious is the lack of Ethernet. "Oh dear, oh dear, how dare they expect me to connect to Ethernet through a cable I have to plug into the side!"

Apple makes 5 laptops. 3 of them have no optical drive. The mini has no optical drive.

What are people going to do if the new iMacs have no optical drive either? Does it really make sense for Apple to spend a little money and a lot of space on something so few people need or want?

And for those who vow to go to Windows - they're already gone on Ultrabooks. The Samsung Series 9 needs a dongle for Ethernet. What we're seeing on the rMBP today will be on all computers tomorrow.

It is like previous Seiko's slogan : 'someday all watches will be built this way' :D:D:D
 
Here's why (and I am still interested to see the maths required to make the RMBP a better deal than a similarly specced MBP)

RMBP, 2.6, 16GB, 512GB SSD : $2999

MBP, 2.6, hi-res, 8GB, 750GB HDD, + 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD : $2299 + $519

sata usb3 enclosure: $25

So if you went with the Retina MBP you're at $3k with no additional goodies. With the regular MBP you get the same performance, a DVD burner, better theoretical gaming performance (if that's your thing, and it's at the cost of lower resolution, of course), a 750GB hard drive to store your whatnot on, and an additional ~$200 in your pocket.
 
The rMBP is clearly the future of the MBP range, but releasing a the new Retina MBP whilst also offering a near-identically-specified upgraded cMBP is very un-Jobs-like. It's almost like Apple's upper management don't think the Retina is quite ready for mainstream yet.

I suspect Jobs would have waited for Haswell to release the Retina, and killed the cMBP dead at the same time. He wasn't one for wooly-compromises and letting the consumer decide.

I have to agree. Anyone remember the bloodletting when Steve came back to Apple? He first killed off the non Apple hardware running Mac OS.
Then he killed off the needlessly duplicated Performa/Quadra lines.
While I am on the fence with the rMBP. I don't see the value of duplicating the features so closely*that the Retina will canibalize buyers from the Air and the MBP lines. It means Apple has to support 3 different lines of Mac laptops in terms of parts, expertise and stock, while not really opening up more wallets than if they had only 2 lines.
 
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