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The major advantage android tablets (some) is expandable memory, that was a deal breaker for me because Apple refuses to offer external support or upgrade capacities once again, we've been on 64gb capacity since 2009 and it was on the ipod touch.

This is good but I'm not sure I will add it since I might need to add it to Windows 8 too. If Windows 8 tablet not allow SD card & USB port then this is a good plus for Android. But compare to iOS only this is, yes, a good killing feature.
 
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"People who's roaming tech forum" are consumers too.

You're obviously way too ignorant and have too much tunnel vision to have a rational discussion about this topic. There are plenty of reasons why someone would choose Android over iOS, but given your penchant for ignoring discussion points it's clear that presenting more would simply be a waste of time.

Sorry...I'm on board with his general premise. His point is that the people you are proselytizing about are a SMALL minority of consumers. You think my Mom, Dad, Grandmother, or half the damn people I know have ever been on a tech focused forum in their life? Yeah...that'd be a big no. Half of them use maybe a fifth of the abilities of the tech in their lives (think flashing 12:00 on a VCR)...those are the masses and that's who he's talking about...and yep...he's right, those folks could care less that you can have rotating, video driven hentai on a droid by "customizing" it. Maximum most of em will want is a picture of their kids or pets on the dang thing.
 
"People who's roaming tech forum" are consumers too.

You're obviously way too ignorant and have too much tunnel vision to have a rational discussion about this topic. There are plenty of reasons why someone would choose Android over iOS, but given your penchant for ignoring discussion points it's clear that presenting more would simply be a waste of time.

Look like you're just angry for no reason. Metro allow lots of customization also but I didn't list it in favor of Windows 8 did I? And I don't even list retina screen as a killing feature for iPad despite the rave reviews. See?
 
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Sorry...I'm on board with his general premise. His point is that the people you are proselytizing about are a SMALL minority of consumers.

...Yet the number of Android mobile device activations top 600,000/day. Android is projected to pass iOS in terms of sheer usage numbers in a few years. Why do YOU think so many people are choosing to use Android devices over iOS? Cost alone?
 
...Yet the number of Android mobile device activations top 600,000/day. Android is projected to pass iOS in terms of sheer usage numbers in a few years. Why do YOU think so many people are choosing to use Android devices over iOS? Cost alone?

Mainly because it's the best free phone that they can get now (compared to an old tech reduced price iPhone). It used to be the crackberry, but hey they've moved up in the world and can get a real OS now like the Droid. You think they're gobbling them up because they know that they can have 3D rotating backgrounds that they can't get on an iOS device? Please...most of that throng of people you are talking about haven't even got a clue how to properly setup their voicemail boxes much less "customize" their user experience...
 
Mainly because it's the best free phone that they can get now (compared to an old tech reduced price iPhone). It used to be the crackberry, but hey they've moved up in the world and can get a real OS now like the Droid. You think they're gobbling them up because they know that they can have 3D rotating backgrounds that they can't get on an iOS device? Please...most of that throng of people you are talking about haven't even got a clue how to properly setup their voicemail boxes much less "customize" their user experience...

i think there is truth in this.

But I think a lot of people did get the iphone initially because it was a brand, but have grown bored of it. Also I think people are beginning to see that Android really is good and can match the iphone in general smoothness etc. The Galaxy range of phones has definitely helped improve android's image
 
...Yet the number of Android mobile device activations top 600,000/day. Android is projected to pass iOS in terms of sheer usage numbers in a few years. Why do YOU think so many people are choosing to use Android devices over iOS? Cost alone?

What phone activation gotta do with tablet market? And what does activation mean? Google get caught red-hand lying (or simply didn't tell the whole truth) about Google+ activity, so quote Rubin literally, what is activation? And link to his quote, please.
 
I think there's no question that Droid will vastly surpass the amount of devices in the wild over iOS, but this might come as a shock to many...I don't think Apple really cares. Look...this is a somewhat flawed analogy, but still holds some truth nonetheless... Apple is the Target to Android's Wal-Mart. There are more Wal-mart stores, there are bigger Wal-mart stores, Wal-mart is generally cheaper than Target, and Wal-mart also generally has a much wider selection than Target...However, the customers that shop at Wal-mart are per capita: cheaper, less profitable, more prone to dramatic swings in the lower portion of the economy, and not very savvy about things that fall outside of the typical value proposition. Target customers tend to be wealthier, more likely to see value in better materials, presentations, experiences, etc, more likely to splurge on higher end merchandise, etc. Now look...no one is saying that being Wal-mart is a bad thing (look at the vast wealth Wal-mart created for the Walton family if you've got any questions about that)...but the thing is...that sort of success is hard....very hard. It's mind-numbingly hard because at the end of the day all you really have going for you is price, efficiency, process optimization, and a few other tricks that take a lot of effort and don't really lead to whiz bang profit quarters. But...if you can cater to a clientele who buy your product for things that are little less tangible, that are more esoteric, that are more innovative...well...you can make beau-coups of profit...even if you sell to less folks. A little flawed because not exactly the same, but the premise is that Apple wants to sell to more profitable people...I think that they are doing so...and I think they will continue to generate the vast majority of profits in the industry going forward.
 
I think there's no question that Droid will vastly surpass the amount of devices in the wild over iOS, but this might come as a shock to many...I don't think Apple really cares. Look...this is a somewhat flawed analogy, but still holds some truth nonetheless... Apple is the Target to Android's Wal-Mart. There are more Wal-mart stores, there are bigger Wal-mart stores, Wal-mart is generally cheaper than Target, and Wal-mart also generally has a much wider selection than Target...However, the customers that shop at Wal-mart are per capita: cheaper, less profitable, more prone to dramatic swings in the lower portion of the economy, and not very savvy about things that fall outside of the typical value proposition. Target customers tend to be wealthier, more likely to see value in better materials, presentations, experiences, etc, more likely to splurge on higher end merchandise, etc. Now look...no one is saying that being Wal-mart is a bad thing (look at the vast wealth Wal-mart created for the Walton family if you've got any questions about that)...but the thing is...that sort of success is hard....very hard. It's mind-numbingly hard because at the end of the day all you really have going for you is price, efficiency, process optimization, and a few other tricks that take a lot of effort and don't really lead to whiz bang profit quarters. But...if you can cater to a clientele who buy your product for things that are little less tangible, that are more esoteric, that are more innovative...well...you can make beau-coups of profit...even if you sell to less folks. A little flawed because not exactly the same, but the premise is that Apple wants to sell to more profitable people...I think that they are doing so...and I think they will continue to generate the vast majority of profits in the industry going forward.

Your analogy fails.
Walmart and Target are essentially the same except in one thing, Target has faster checkout.

Other than that, Target and Walmart cater to the low/middle class consumer.
Price/selection/stock are about equal.

And trying to insinuate that only "wealthier" people own Apple products shows where you stand and how you observe the world.
 
Honestly, does it bother you that iOS hasn't changed at all in it's appearance for 6 years? iOS 5 copied everything from Android and Windows Phone 7. I had the first iPhone and couldn't stand the lack of multi-tasking and looking at a wall of icons.

Doesn't it bother you it took Android this long to come up with a decent UI? Does it bother you that Android still has not fixed the phone lock up problem? Also all the mobile OS's steal from each other. ICS has a ton of iOS like qualities like how the App drawer works now.

I have an iPhone 4 and my friend has a Galaxy Nexus and it is not as smooth as my iPhone. We traded for a week and now he is selling it for an iPhone. But that means as much as your experience with your girlfriends iPhone it’s all subjective.

My question to you is why do you stare at the app screens so much? It’s not meant to entertain you. None of the first smartphones had multitasking. Both OS's would not be as good if the other did not exist.

As far as tablets I would never recommend an Android device. The iPad is king and will be that way for a while.
 
What phone activation gotta do with tablet market? And what does activation mean? Google get caught red-hand lying (or simply didn't tell the whole truth) about Google+ activity, so quote Rubin literally, what is activation? And link to his quote, please.

You have that backwards.

Apple tried to hint last year that Google was counting multiple activations per device, ironically just like iPhone carriers do to print higher numbers, but Rubin corrected them.

He recently reconfirmed this with last month's announcement:

Google’s Andy Rubin dropped some official Android numbers today.

According to the VP of Mobile at Google, Google is now activating over 850 thousand Android devices every single day, which brings the total number of Android devices to over 300 million, with 12 million of them being tablets.

Andy clarified that Google only counts device activations once per device ID, so devices don’t get re-counted when users reset or sell their phones.

Google only counts devices that include Google services, so despite the Kindle Fire‘s popularity, Google doesn’t include those figures in its device activations count.
 
I have an iPhone 4 and my friend has a Galaxy Nexus and it is not as smooth as my iPhone. We traded for a week and now he is selling it for an iPhone. But that means as much as your experience with your girlfriends iPhone it’s all subjective.

My BS detector is off the charts on this story.
 
Your analogy fails.
Walmart and Target are essentially the same except in one thing, Target has faster checkout.

Other than that, Target and Walmart cater to the low/middle class consumer.
Price/selection/stock are about equal.

And trying to insinuate that only "wealthier" people own Apple products shows where you stand and how you observe the world.

I think you are mistaken, but we will have to agree to disagree. They certainly do not appeal to the same clientelle go take some pictures at each and report back. I didn't say it was a "perfect" analogy, but the premise stands. Apple is after high value consumers...not throngs of low margin ones. If you can't see that...I don't know if I can help you.

Also...it doesn't matter where I stand...life's real whether we like it or not. I wanted to purchase many Apple products when I was younger but was unable to do so because I didn't earn enough money to do so. Those are the facts...Apple products are often times more expensive than their competition (is that even up for debate? ;) ), does that insinuate that I was a "bad" person then? I don't think so...it's no insinuation at all. I'm saying that for the most part...and these are generalizations of course...that the most price sensitive consumers (and if you want to read that as less wealthy...go right ahead because that's exactly what I'm saying) aren't Apple's core market. It's not personal...just business.
 
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I think you are mistaken, but we will have to agree to disagree. They certainly do not appeal to the same clientelle go take some pictures at each and report back. I didn't say it was a "perfect" analogy, but the premise stands. Apple is after high value consumers...not throngs of low margin ones. If you can't see that...I don't know if I can help you.

If apple sold their products for $200 less (which they totally could), it would ruin the premium feel of their products. They keep them ridiculously high for a reason
 
If apple sold their products for $200 less (which they totally could), it would ruin the premium feel of their products. They keep them ridiculously high for a reason

That "ridiculously high" reason would be because they can...and so would any other profit driven company with a fiduciary duty to its shareholders to maximize their returns.
 
I think you are mistaken, but we will have to agree to disagree. They certainly do not appeal to the same clientelle go take some pictures at each and report back. I didn't say it was a "perfect" analogy, but the premise stands. Apple is after high value consumers...not throngs of low margin ones. If you can't see that...I don't know if I can help you.

Yes, take a look at the cars in the parking lot at both stores.
You will find that in some cases, Walmart has higher end vehicles.

All Walmarts and Target stores are also not uniformly the same.

Just take a look at both stores product lines, electronics section, etc.
They are about equal.

In some cases, Target has better/lower prices on some items.
 
iPads are about on par with premium Android tablets to tell the truth. Galaxy note is about $640 unsubsidized, Transformer Prime is about $500, and Moto Xyboard is about $500. It's not that Apple is pricing high. It's just that it's made/designed better than the other tablets. That's what gives it the premium feel even though you're purchasing a device that goes beyond what the pricetag entails. $500 is a drop in the bucket really. I've had phones cost a LOT more than that in the past. Apple's goal is to create great products and to continue doing that in perpetuity. Other companies are in the Android market to turn a penny. I'm not saying that Android isn't a good OS for lots of things but taking a look at where Android tablets are right now, it's essentially an oversized Android phone. iPads on the other hand are more than an oversized iPhone which sounds a little crazy but the product is different enough from an iPhone to where the iPad is really an integrated device with more enhanced functionality for tablet use compared to the iPhone.

Funny thing about Apple being Target and Android being Walmart. Apple stores were originally designed by a Target exec. Johnson was awesome at giving that premium feel to the middle market and that's what Apple is right now even though they have the iPad which is currently the best tablet on the market (really though, it's supposed to be a cheap alternative to a computer).
 
Doesn't it bother you it took Android this long to come up with a decent UI? Does it bother you that Android still has not fixed the phone lock up problem? Also all the mobile OS's steal from each other. ICS has a ton of iOS like qualities like how the App drawer works now.

I have an iPhone 4 and my friend has a Galaxy Nexus and it is not as smooth as my iPhone. We traded for a week and now he is selling it for an iPhone. But that means as much as your experience with your girlfriends iPhone it’s all subjective.

My question to you is why do you stare at the app screens so much? It’s not meant to entertain you. None of the first smartphones had multitasking. Both OS's would not be as good if the other did not exist.

As far as tablets I would never recommend an Android device. The iPad is king and will be that way for a while.

Androids UI has been solid since day one. My Nexus has yet to lock up on me, though my iPad 2 continues to force close out of apps.

I used to be fully on board iOS but after using ICS on a phone, I could never go back. I stare at my home screen because it is filled with useful information I enjoy having on it instead of opening app after app. IOS is so played out and redundant. I am sick of having an OS that is a glorified app launcher.

I hear you on iPad is still king, however, it just lacks so many things that I want in a tablet. And I know if I don't like it, then don't but it.... Blah blah, I used to love it but I can no longer say iOS is superior and it bothers me.
 
I don't know... I don't go nosing around in droid forums, but my guts would lead me to believe that the situation happens far less in reverse. Mainly because it's always inline with human nature to try to drag down the leader...or pump up the underdog, and clearly at this point (and certainly in terms of profit) all others are underdogs to Apple right now. I'll have to do some digging around for some anecdotal evidence over at the XDA forums (which makes perfect sense by the way...because the same fervent droid backers are about the same ones were wasting hours away cooking WinMo ROMs way back in the day...). Are there any other Asus specific forums? I know there used to be a forum for the EeePC line of netbooks, perhaps that's still alive...

Go to the asus transformer prime forum on xda, it is a mess over there. I think the whole trolling on android forums happens about the same amount of time as trolling on apple forums.

I used to have a transformer prime and currently have a nexus s, and iPad 3 gen.

Imo the biggest thing that android has over iOS right is the ability to play emulators and roms. I can play Mario kart 64 on my single core phone and I could also hook up a ps3 controller to it.

Android tablets really aren't that bad, some are better than others but it isn't as polished as an iPad.

Oh and I think Samsung is gonna come out with a windows 8 tablet with a 2560x1600 screen in the future, that thing is gonna turn heads.....
 
Yes, take a look at the cars in the parking lot at both stores.
You will find that in some cases, Walmart has higher end vehicles.

All Walmarts and Target stores are also not uniformly the same.

Just take a look at both stores product lines, electronics section, etc.
They are about equal.

In some cases, Target has better/lower prices on some items.

Who said they were the same? Do I need to look up the word generalization for you? Trust me there big differences...head to the Super Walmart in South Irving and then visit the one over in Prestonwood in Addison a few miles away and you would be shocked that it's the same company, but in general (there's that word again) Target made a concerted effort many years ago to rise out of the "only low prices" business (to various levels of success mind you) and often times its stores do attract (rightly or wrongly) a higher demographic of customers. I'm not even going to argue about it...it's just the way it is in general.

Your product comparison is also flawed and actually further strengthens my point. You say that Target only has faster "checkout" (aka service) and that they sell similar product lines (sort of like iOS and Mac OS X and Apple computer hardware are not fundamentally "different" to or better than PCs or Droids), but that they use their marketing and advertising to appeal to a higher income clientelle. Sound like a company we are talking about perhaps? I'm saying that Apple sells a package, an experience, a total package...that's typically not that fundamentally different than others, but they do it so well and so completely that they can charge more for their "package", but guess what? Apple is cheaper than some companies in select instances too! But people "think" they are more expensive, and I'd venture it a pretty safe guess that folks "think" Target's more expensive than Wal-Mart.

And the basic point still stands, do you really think that Apple has any care about being the cheapest in any product segment that they serve?
 
Walmart = Target = Kmart

Apple products tend to be simple and basic and that's why they sell.
Nothing to do with their consumer base being wealthy.

Once someone grows out of simple and want advanced features, they move on.
 
Androids UI has been solid since day one. My Nexus has yet to lock up on me, though my iPad 2 continues to force close out of apps.

I used to be fully on board iOS but after using ICS on a phone, I could never go back. I stare at my home screen because it is filled with useful information I enjoy having on it instead of opening app after app. IOS is so played out and redundant. I am sick of having an OS that is a glorified app launcher.

I hear you on iPad is still king, however, it just lacks so many things that I want in a tablet. And I know if I don't like it, then don't but it.... Blah blah, I used to love it but I can no longer say iOS is superior and it bothers me.

I locked up the Nexus 3 times in the week I used it. But I use my phone alot. Android apps force close all the time are you kidding me. Android had been solid since day one? Now your just being funny. iOS is redundant? Actually its the oposite because its so straightforward.

You may like Android but don't pee on my shoe and tell me its rain. I have use smartphones since the first blackberry and treo. Android reminds me of those phones. Even though I dislike android I am glad its arround. But iOS is superior to Android. Just because an operating system can do more things in a hallf-azzed way.
 
I locked up the Nexus 3 times in the week I used it. But I use my phone alot. Android apps force close all the time are you kidding me. Android had been solid since day one? Now your just being funny. iOS is redundant? Actually its the oposite because its so straightforward.

You may like Android but don't pee on my shoe and tell me its rain. I have use smartphones since the first blackberry and treo. Android reminds me of those phones. Even though I dislike android I am glad its arround. But iOS is superior to Android. Just because an operating system can do more things in a hallf-azzed way.

In my experience my iPad has closed out more than my Nexus. Try streaming Pandora via BT while using google maps navigation and see how well an iPhone does on that. We don't even use my fiancées iPhone for either of those because my Nexus works every time without slowing down.
 
Stupid question, but why ARE Android devices fragmented? I admit I thought about trying an Android phone when I can afford it, but decided against it because of the fragmentation.
 
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