What's your opinion on the MacBook Pro not being a professional's computer?

[john123]

Are you trying to argue for the sake of arguing? Get over yourself.

Not at all. Are you just being stubborn because you hate the idea you could be wrong? Your last sentence here suggests that's the case. Once again, just because you had a faulty GPU and it ran hot does NOT mean high temperatures caused your GPU to fail. That's like claiming that a person who gets sick, develops a rash, and later dies died from the rash rather than the illness.

 

[undesign]

Not at all. Are you just being stubborn because you hate the idea you could be wrong? Your last sentence here suggests that's the case. Once again, just because you had a faulty GPU and it ran hot does NOT mean high temperatures caused your GPU to fail. That's like claiming that a person who gets sick, develops a rash, and later dies died from the rash rather than the illness.

Are you autistic?

 

[john123]

I've the first hand experience and he too.

No, you haven't. You're still not reading. Again, you had first hand experience with a GPU that failed and ran hot. That is not the same thing as knowing that heat caused your GPU to fail. Even a technician would be hard-pressed to make that diagnosis.


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Are you autistic?

My Ivy League education suggests that I'm not. More people should take classes in logic and causal inference.

 

[bkribbs]

I wouldn't reapply paste unless you're out of warranty. Getting values approaching Tjunction isn't really a problem because the processor is going to throttle itself/not TurboBoost as necessary anyway. So, unless you're finding performance to be unacceptable (i.e., you need things to run cooler so the processor can kick things up a notch), I wouldn't worry.

But is the heat putting wear on additional components?

 

[john123]

But is the heat putting wear on additional components?

Most definitely. But the problems are that:

1. It's really difficult to quantify "how much" additional wear. You're increasing the probability of failure over time (if you Google for "exponential failure distribution," you'll get a graphical idea of what I mean). However, that increase may not be significant or substantial, and even if it is, it's still only a chance of failure.
2. If you replace the paste and have a warranty claim, you're on super thin ice.
3. If you replace the paste, there's still no guarantee it'll run cooler. It might just throttle less, in which case you've boosted performance without changing temperature at all. Remember that the CPU is designed to happily go up to the Tjunction temperature. Also, depending on your utility, you may be reading Tjunction on a particular core, while the CPU average may be lower. That's more likely, since I doubt your average CPU temperature would approach the Tjunction of 105—although it could happen.

In my mind, I think it's too dangerous of a proposition. Of course, that's an individual choice, so it's not for me to tell you what to do with your computer.

I used to put servers together occasionally at my old job (when I didn't want to be doing my real job—management is boring), and I saw a night-and-day difference in temperatures with good thermal paste and proper application. In this situation, though, with all the variables at play, it's just not something I would personally do.

 

[Mr. Retrofire]

No, you haven't.

I do not continue, because your pseudo arguments are not worthy of discussion.

You've obviously no solutions and no positive things to say.

 

[john123]

I do not continue, because your pseudo arguments are not worthy of discussion.

Mind = blown. It was and is common sense and elementary logic. Cause and effect. I'm pretty sure I heard about the difference between those two things back in grade school.

You've obviously no solutions and no positive things to say.

The solution is to buy AppleCare and get your logic board replaced. The solution is the (appropriate) class action lawsuits against GPU manufacturers.

The solution is not to mis-attribute blame, nor is it to indulge people who don't use proper logic. That same nonsense is the reason a whole bunch of idiotic people believe that vaccines cause autism, don't get their kids vaccinated, and are now creating a public health hazard for diseases that we until the last decade or so treated as virtually extinct. Fortunately, people applying similarly poor reasoning to their computers doesn't have such wide-reach consequences.

 

[Wishbrah]

It's really difficult to quantify "how much" additional wear.

Remember that the CPU is designed to happily go up to the Tjunction temperature.

I hope these two points resonate with people.

 

[phsphoenix]

You do not know what you are doing, because you do not need the two "{}" after the "while(true)" statement, if the while loop has only one line.



This is enough:

int main(void) { while(1) int* pointer = new int; return 0; }

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I've the first hand experience and he too.

I know you don't need curly braces on one line loops. I use them because I've had enough times where indentation was the cause of a ton of bugs.

 

[Godlikes]

There are three factors that can be used to easily prove that the Macbook Pro is not a "Pro" laptop at all.

The first is heat management: The case/chassis is designed for aesthetics, weight management. It is NOT designed for maintenance or suitable cooling when the processor runs at 100%. It doesn't take a Apple Engineer to know what would happen if the computer is constantly overheating during high pro use.

The second is the display is atrocious. Yes it has higher resolution but what you lose in return is detrimental: yellow tints, uneven lightning, uneven coloration etc. etc. How can such a LCD be considered a "PRO", which graphic artist could work under those conditions?

Lastly, the graphic cards in Apple Macbooks are not sufficient to drive the resolutions. For the resolution being driven in the rMBP you need at least a 580m/680m. For game development it is NOT a PRO device.

So for simple word processing, checking emails, browsing web etc it's fine (although I could not live with a defective screen that Apple is pumping out right now). But for heavy duty content creation - Videos, Image, 3D development it is NOT a pro machine at all.

Some simple benchmarks and stats for the above factors would be enough to prove that the latest renditions are unacceptable and that the design does not meet the requirements for a "pro" machine.

 

[jondunford]

why don't you all have a dual

 

[john123]

why don't you all have a dual

A dual core? I prefer quad.

If you meant a "duel," that wouldn't be fair to the others. I'm an excellent shot. I suppose we could use swords or lances, but that's a bit more physical exertion than I'm interested in.

 

[edfoo]

I don't care if the new rMBP is considered a professional's computer or not. I only use it for personal use and that's all I care. Having said that I am guessing there are a lot of people use their rMBP for their profession, and it does not have to be just for photography purpose. Many must be using their rMBP for preparing documents, spreadsheets and presentations, that means their rMBP are qualified as "professional".

 

[john123]

There are three factors that can be used to easily prove that the Macbook Pro is not a "Pro" laptop at all.

Says the guy in his second post with an account he created today, about to begin a giant rant with overblown adjectives and claims. Color me skeptical off the bat.

The first is heat management: The case/chassis is designed for aesthetics, weight management. It is NOT designed for maintenance or suitable cooling when the processor runs at 100%. It doesn't take a Apple Engineer to know what would happen if the computer is constantly overheating during high pro use.

If it were overheating, then perhaps it wouldn't take an Apple engineer. But it isn't "overheating." The CPU is reaching the maximum temperature per Intel's specifications. So that renders this paragraph invalid. Next?

The second is the display is atrocious. Yes it has higher resolution but what you lose in return is detrimental: yellow tints, uneven lightning, uneven coloration etc. etc. How can such a LCD be considered a "PRO", which graphic artist could work under those conditions?

Atrocious? Holy hyperbole, Batman! Lots of users have perfect displays with even color and no tint. Some aberrations are going to happen with any computer manufacturer. I'm typing on one with a perfect screen right now. I just got one for my parents, and their screen is perfect too. I'm sorry you, personally, were unfortunate.

Lastly, the graphic cards in Apple Macbooks are not sufficient to drive the resolutions. For the resolution being driven in the rMBP you need at least a 580m/680m. For game development it is NOT a PRO device.

Another claim without a warrant. I, and other users, have had few problems. I do wish the cards had more firepower, but then you have the usual tradeoff with battery life, power consumption, heat (hey! remember your first point above! OMG CONTRADICTION!), etc.

So for simple word processing, checking emails, browsing web etc it's fine (although I could not live with a defective screen that Apple is pumping out right now). But for heavy duty content creation - Videos, Image, 3D development it is NOT a pro machine at all.

Some simple benchmarks and stats for the above factors would be enough to prove that the latest renditions are unacceptable and that the design does not meet the requirements for a "pro" machine.

Interesting. Show me the laptop with similar weight and power profiles that has a much faster CPU? Oh, there isn't one? Darn, another argument down the drain.

 

[MacSumo]

I don't care if the new rMBP is considered a professional's computer or not. I only use it for personal use and that's all I care. Having said that I am guessing there are a lot of people use their rMBP for their profession, and it does not have to be just for photography purpose. Many must be using their rMBP for preparing documents, spreadsheets and presentations, that means their rMBP are qualified as "professional".

You really don't need a $3000 laptop if that's all you're doing.

There are three factors that can be used to easily prove that the Macbook Pro is not a "Pro" laptop at all.

The first is heat management: The case/chassis is designed for aesthetics, weight management. It is NOT designed for maintenance or suitable cooling when the processor runs at 100%. It doesn't take a Apple Engineer to know what would happen if the computer is constantly overheating during high pro use.

The second is the display is atrocious. Yes it has higher resolution but what you lose in return is detrimental: yellow tints, uneven lightning, uneven coloration etc. etc. How can such a LCD be considered a "PRO", which graphic artist could work under those conditions?

Lastly, the graphic cards in Apple Macbooks are not sufficient to drive the resolutions. For the resolution being driven in the rMBP you need at least a 580m/680m. For game development it is NOT a PRO device.

So for simple word processing, checking emails, browsing web etc it's fine (although I could not live with a defective screen that Apple is pumping out right now). But for heavy duty content creation - Videos, Image, 3D development it is NOT a pro machine at all.

Some simple benchmarks and stats for the above factors would be enough to prove that the latest renditions are unacceptable and that the design does not meet the requirements for a "pro" machine.

Very true.

 

[bkribbs]

I hope these two points resonate with people.

I'm legitimately asking, you agree with this?

It's ok to have my laptop running between 100-105 C if truncation for my 2012 is 105? And not too bad for the rest? Nervous to game on it since it gets so hot

 

[undesign]

I'm legitimately asking, you agree with this?

It's ok to have my laptop running between 100-105 C if truncation for my 2012 is 105? And not too bad for the rest? Nervous to game on it since it gets so hot

You're playing with fire at 100C+.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

Also, the ironic part, most of the people who are responding to this post defending Apple are probably professionals using Apple machines, the very people Apple isn't catering for as much any more with their new line of products.

I've responded to this topic, I'm a professional programmer by day, and a gamer by night. I find the current rMBP's to be an abomination. They're designed to be obsolete for day work (where's my 1tb HDD? This isn't 2006!) and they're not good gaming machines. At least I can connect my plethora of USB drives or eSATA drives... or not.

If it were overheating, then perhaps it wouldn't take an Apple engineer. But it isn't "overheating." The CPU is reaching the maximum temperature per Intel's specifications. So that renders this paragraph invalid. Next?

It only means that it's not overheating. Did you question why? There's a total of 135 watts necessary to run the computer at max, and only an 85 watt power supply. Running it at max, (say overnight to render something) just isn't possible, even if it doesn't throttle itself to keep itself cool.

Interesting. Show me the laptop with similar weight and power profiles that has a much faster CPU? Oh, there isn't one? Darn, another argument down the drain.

Off the top of my head, the Razer Blade. It's a 14" laptop with a faster GPU, a larger usable resolution, and better power management/cooling.

 

[Wishbrah]

Very true.

Come on, man. It needn't come to this. You don't need to start quoting and agreeing with your own troll accounts.

Also, so much willful ignorance here; it's ALMOST entertaining!

 

[polbit]

I have been an Apple customer since Mac II. My prior Mac, early 2011 top-spec MBP 15" including a 512Gb SSD was the best laptop I've ever owned. To say I had high expectations when I spent over $3k on a top-spec 2013 rMBP 15" is an understatement. Unfortunately it has turned out to be my most disappointing Apple experience that I can remember. The rMBP is a classic example of what happens when you put form over function, and as of today, after a failed replacement, it has been returned.

I no longer have any Apple devices, save for Apple TV and Time Capsule. First my iPhone, then the iPad, and now the laptop. Sad, but unless Apple reverses course and starts producing true Pro-level machines again, I will be taking my money somewhere else.

 

[red321red321]

but where? Nobody else seems to make good computers. Windows 8 totally sucks and is a pain to use.

 

[Acorn]

why would it have to be less then 90c. that is 15 degrees under its max spec of 105c. as long as its less then 105 its within intels spec.

 

[cbautis2]

why would it have to be less then 90c. that is 15 degrees under its max spec of 105c. as long as its less then 105 its within intels spec.

Many gaming PC laptops with superb cooling system have their CPUs reach only in low 80s (Celsius) when stressing all cores with Prime95 for 2 hours or more. Then again, their thickness is around 3 - 4 times that of rMBP.

Personally, if the laptops/ MacBooks aren't thermally cutting themselves off, it's fine even when you see temps higher than boiling water at 1 atm.

 

[FrozenDarkness]

There are three factors that can be used to easily prove that the Macbook Pro is not a "Pro" laptop at all.

The first is heat management: The case/chassis is designed for aesthetics, weight management. It is NOT designed for maintenance or suitable cooling when the processor runs at 100%. It doesn't take a Apple Engineer to know what would happen if the computer is constantly overheating during high pro use.

The second is the display is atrocious. Yes it has higher resolution but what you lose in return is detrimental: yellow tints, uneven lightning, uneven coloration etc. etc. How can such a LCD be considered a "PRO", which graphic artist could work under those conditions?

Lastly, the graphic cards in Apple Macbooks are not sufficient to drive the resolutions. For the resolution being driven in the rMBP you need at least a 580m/680m. For game development it is NOT a PRO device.

So for simple word processing, checking emails, browsing web etc it's fine (although I could not live with a defective screen that Apple is pumping out right now). But for heavy duty content creation - Videos, Image, 3D development it is NOT a pro machine at all.

Some simple benchmarks and stats for the above factors would be enough to prove that the latest renditions are unacceptable and that the design does not meet the requirements for a "pro" machine.

This post is just so backwards that I had to do a double take. Then I realized you just joined and I'm willing ot bet you're just TC making a second account supporting himself. You basically repeated every point he made and has been debunked thoroughly in this topic.

 

[undesign]

I have been an Apple customer since Mac II. My prior Mac, early 2011 top-spec MBP 15" including a 512Gb SSD was the best laptop I've ever owned. To say I had high expectations when I spent over $3k on a top-spec 2013 rMBP 15" is an understatement. Unfortunately it has turned out to be my most disappointing Apple experience that I can remember. The rMBP is a classic example of what happens when you put form over function, and as of today, after a failed replacement, it has been returned.

I no longer have any Apple devices, save for Apple TV and Time Capsule. First my iPhone, then the iPad, and now the laptop. Sad, but unless Apple reverses course and starts producing true Pro-level machines again, I will be taking my money somewhere else.

The best way to stick it to Apple is to do it with your wallet. All of Apple's computers are becoming more like iPads... it was bad enough that OS X got its iPadification but that wasn't enough. Now we have the privilege of limited options... soon it will be a choice of a few;

"Which MacBook do you want? The 11", 13" or the 15" ? All MacBooks come with the same parts, none can have individual internal parts modified or replaced."

I really do see it becoming like that eventually... iOS and OS X are going to merge into one and so will iPads and MacBooks. Not anytime soon of course, but eventually...

Just look how incredibly botched the new Mac Pro is. Slots for 3.5" hard drives? Upgradeable video card? The thing has more thunderbolt ports than there are thunderbolt devices on the market.