So which Notebook should a professional buy, if the best machine on the market isn`t for professionals?
This must be a nonsense thread. So get chips and drinks and join this pointless conversation.
They've completely abandoned real mobile pro's by completely dropping the 17" series.
stop feeding lonely trolls.
Is a 17" really Mobile?
Is a 17" really Mobile?
I do not continue, because your pseudo arguments are not worthy of discussion.
You've obviously no solutions and no positive things to say.
Couldn't have said it any better!
Switching off the Turbo Boost brings an interesting twist to this phenomenon. I ran my tests on HandBrake 8-core encoding process, whereby by definition Turbo Boost should not even kick in (if all cores are equally loaded), but the CPU core temp decreases by 20*C anyway and fans stop whirring.2) The temperature discussion is actually pretty interesting, and nuanced at that. I'm personally of the opinion that Apple's process is sub-standard, and it probably does increase the probability of failure over time, but that it's also unlikely to be a big deal. Sadly, what this thread lacks is empirical data, which is what would make it really interesting.
Switching off the Turbo Boost brings an interesting twist to this phenomenon. I ran my tests on HandBrake 8-core encoding process, whereby by definition Turbo Boost should not even kick in (if all cores are equally loaded), but the CPU core temp decreases by 20*C anyway and fans stop whirring.
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=18474873#post18474873
I firmly believe that if you're using your MBP for pro use and want long term reliability you have to get a decent cooling pad and ramp the fans up higher than the standard thresholds. I've had clients logic board failures due to the GPU drop drastically since they took the advice.
If it needs to be opened up for any major task - a re-paste of the heat pipe thermal compound too.
I can't explain it any more simply than confusing cause and effect. If that's too complicated for you (and your new account created two days ago, might I add), then I'm really not sure what else to say.
Of course, others in this thread have already called you out on your...shall we say...suspicious new account. And I already tore your previous post to shreds. So, I suppose it's not surprising that you're upset.
I was running video encoding on a Macbook Pro 2010 for 3 years up until I upgraded with this new batch and never experience any hardware failure.
This was all done in Australian climate, un-airconditioned home office that would peak up to 30C at least on warm days in summer. No cooling pad was used and I'd run it maybe half the time in clamshell mode.
Sure, the chassis ran warm and the fans ramped up, but they did their job and I've had no faults with the machine. The MBPr runs a LOT cooler than this laptop.
The laptop was passed over to my dad who mainly does email and general web browsing/You Tube. It still runs perfectly fine.
You know what? That post really had me laughing so thanks for that.
On top of all your false allegations and remarks your response was so nonsensical that it didn't even merit a response.
Only reason for responding now is that I pity delusions so I hope you work it out.
I'm in freezing Pom land and get it here lol. With long term solder problems related to heat expansion/contraction it's a lottery on how good the solder connections were when the logic board was manufactured. I reckon the 15 inch models with discrete GPU since they went unibody do get too hot inside, though the design does dissipate the heat well I've cleaned off too much powdered thermal paste to think otherwise. When you are running jobs that require hard use of the CPU and GPU that's the advice I recommend to my clients and it seems to be working.
Yea fair enough. I'm certainly not trying to discount any issues you have seem or resolved with clients also. Nor am I trying to cast the opinion that just because I have no issues, others do not. But, I feel that the OP certainly is trying that tack on and saying that they have issues therefore everyone has to have issues no matter what. Silly position to take.
If the battery lasts 3 hours, yes.
If the charger weighs 1.5Kg, no.
Either way, a modern 15" offers the same resolution
and vastly superior specs, so other than old people with bad eyesight who need a lower pixel density, I remain pretty perplexed by the diehard 17" crowd.
While I generally agree with your sentiment, there are two reasons I've continued to reply (other than the sheer amusement I get out of blasting troll-ish ideas out of the water):
1) There are people who see ideas like that of the OP and wonder if they have merit. Failure to rebut and may lead some of those people to believe that the ideas do have merit, rather than debunking the silly nonsense.
2) The temperature discussion is actually pretty interesting, and nuanced at that. I'm personally of the opinion that Apple's process is sub-standard, and it probably does increase the probability of failure over time, but that it's also unlikely to be a big deal. Sadly, what this thread lacks is empirical data, which is what would make it really interesting.
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It's a semantic debate, I think. Either way, a modern 15" offers the same resolution and vastly superior specs, so other than old people with bad eyesight who need a lower pixel density, I remain pretty perplexed by the diehard 17" crowd.
I really don't see why "real estate" matters, except for people with bad eyes (like I already mentioned). The number of pixels is the same. That means the total amount of stuff you can fit on there is also the same.But significantly lower screen estate. And that's what counts - again, with a 17" MBP, it's not as important to use an external monitor as with a 15" one, should you need as much screen estate as possible.
Sure, but increasingly what you gain there you're losing in performance in other areas.And, again, no double-spin system, making it necessary to keep an external drive with you, should you want to add a for example spinning hard disk for excellent price / storage ratio.
I get it. Really, I do. I don't like it when a manufacturer eliminates choices, especially when those choices satisfy the needs and desires of a particular niche. And if I felt like I were in your same boat, I'd be pretty pissed off too.We're just pissed off by Apple's abandoning us because there were "too few" of us purchasing their top line.
I really don't see why "real estate" matters, except for people with bad eyes (like I already mentioned). The number of pixels is the same. That means the total amount of stuff you can fit on there is also the same.
Sure, but increasingly what you gain there you're losing in performance in other areas.
One of us must be confused. The 17" had 1920x1200 resolution (http://support.apple.com/kb/sp621). That's the exact same resolution I'm running on my 15" Retina as I type this. Are you speaking in hypothetical terms, i.e., of a non-existent Retina 17"?Nope. Assuming the same eye and a Retina screen (non-existing in any of the 17" models; I'm speaking of an imaginary for example 4K 17" model), you can have significantly more information (e.g., open windows) on the same screen at the same time.
I guess, although the expensive option B is just to get a 1TB Retina. I guess if you want more than 1TB of storage, then the dual drive option is a necessity.However, it's far more productive not to have to carry around external hard drives and being always 100% sure you do have access to your files. It's pretty much essential if you, for example, often install apps to iDevices using iTunes and you keep your iTunes storage on a spinning medium.
The question of the removal of the 17" line has been beaten to death here at MR previously. However, I'll summarize it:
When you compare the 17" line to the current 15" MBP's, the latter lack for example in the following two depts:
- screen estate. This is obvious - the 17" is a size where you don't necessarily want / need an external monitor any more. The latter is infeasible if you MUST operate on battery power because you simply can't have electricity for most of the time - like the case with my summer cottage. All the electricity I have during July is the one I can load to my 17" when recharging it in the neighbour's house. I couldn't power an external monitor while working / using my MBP. (In Finland, distances are HUGE and the cost of routing power lines to distant summer cottages are outrageous - several thousand euros. It's simply not worth it.)
- dual-spin drives. Can you remove the DVD drive from your 15" MBP and put a, say, 1 TB HDD or another SSD in there? Of course you can't. This was a MAJOR advantage of the 17" line (or, for that matter, any MBP with a DVD) - no need to use external drives if you need more and fast storage.
By the time they have run out of space in the original hard drive, it may be cheaper to take out that drive and put in a newer and bigger drive. To me it is not a BIG advantage.
One of us must be confused. The 17" had 1920x1200 resolution (http://support.apple.com/kb/sp621). That's the exact same resolution I'm running on my 15" Retina as I type this. Are you speaking in hypothetical terms, i.e., of a non-existent Retina 17"?
You said 17" monitor is the size where we don't want/need an external monitor anymore? Well that only applies to you, not to everyone.