I'm with you. I'm actually sort of enjoying it for the comedy value, especially since any empirical comments that undermine the position get ignored.
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What's your opinion on the MacBook Pro not being a professional's computer?
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I'm with you. I'm actually sort of enjoying it for the comedy value, especially since any empirical comments that undermine the position get ignored.
builds their hardware to suit their software.I have no idea why anyone would buy a mac and then put windows on it.
Wtf?!
Its like buying a maserati and putting a fiat engine in it.....
The first one I got I had no choice about - iI stuck with it for the build quality at first, then the power, and also stability (as a function of hardware and software designed in combination - as oppose to specifically OsX)
I have no idea why anyone would buy a mac and then put windows on it.
Wtf?!
Its like buying a maserati and putting a fiat engine in it.....
No mac version of some software. College/work licensing only for windows in others. And so forth.
So what laptop is a 'power machine' ?
To me the workflow described in the original post is why they build the Mac Pro. Get one of those and you can have multiple external calibrated monitors running each with a separate Final Cut pro sessions in various stages. Use the right tool for the job.
ad hominen attack.
I've paid near $3K for an upgraded model (from $2.6K), and wanted to keep them, but I can't knowing of the faults it has (that I continually experienced). What's so hard to understand about their quality control being bad?'
to jerrykur: I was under the impression the macbook PRO is for professional work, hence why I created this thread. Now I should've defined professional to mean someone who (1) needs a good display and (2) utilizes the CPU to its full potential on a daily basis.
It's my first MBP. forgive me for being naive. I was under the impression this was going to be a good computer.
I think the rMBP is a fine computer, even a great computer. It just may not be the correct computer in this situation. I use an older MBP all the time for professional software development, and I am sure a rMBP would be fine for that task.
But, video editing and similar tasks are compute and graphics intensive activities. The Mac Pro (not MacBook Pro) is purpose built for these and similar intensive tasks. The Pro has the CPUs and GPU hardware to do these tasks, the cooling to prevent overheating, and support for external calibrated monitors.
In contrast, a laptop must strike a difficult balance between performance, portability, and size. I think the MacBook Pros do this about as well as any laptop.
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Not a fallacious ad hominem attack though. His or her statement was a perfectly legitimate concern.
I find it curious you would go ahead and buy the rMBP and then try to convince everybody that it's absolute rubbish. Either you're hiding something or I'm missing a logical connection here.
If you were concerned about the color accuracy, like any other person, you would have simply returned your computer and asked for a new one. And not continue a 6+ page thread about how the Macbook line suffers from one deficiency to the next, even going ahead and recommending several other computers.
Heck, you've been outright proven wrong several times, and have made several very, very dubious statements.
Your main concerns, as you've stated multiple times, are the heat and the screen. I'm sure the screen has been discussed to death on this forum, so I'll focus on the CPU.
Under load (running Cinebench all cores/threads for 20 minutes straight), my MBPr doesn't throttle at all. If you're concerned about the heat, then just force the fans up 6000 rpm.
Even if you refuse to turn up the fans, even if you stressed both the CPU and GPU to 100%, it shouldn't effect your work. Chiclet style keys don't tend to heat up...
Then, there's the lifespan thing you're harping about. Given the fact that CPU failures are a rarity in MacBooks (my own 2011 MacBook has survived just fine despite image editing/3d modeling almost daily), I think you'll be just fine.
Look at my past posts buddy, and really, think before you type. Apple fanboy? I think not.
My conclusion was reached reading through 5 pages of the thread. And I gather most of the people here feel the same. So why don't you tell them to gtfo too?
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Aside from the resolution? I could definitely put it together. There are 1080p, i7 quadcore, 1TB, 2GB 750m dedicated graphics for $2000 or less. The Razer Blade is $2000 even and has a 765m which is significantly better.
Keep in mind: I am saying this AS SOMEONE WHO OPTED FOR THE MBPr. Objectively you could piece together a laptop for less with superior performance specs. So why did I get the MBPr? Well...
- Build quality
- Battery life
- Maverick >>>>>> Win8
- Futureproofing
- Value retention in the secondhand market
- Accessories
Among other things. Is it perfect? Aw hail naw. Is it a professional's computer? You dam right!
I made 6+ exchanges before giving up on the late 2013 model, personally.
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8gb ram 512gb ssd for $2800?? rMBP is better imo. I hope the 2014 rMBP has a good screen and overheats less so I can consider it again.
Razor Blade Pro seems "okay"
MacSumo, for your use case (I haven't taken a deep look at the thread but it seems you do a lot of render jobs) what you need isn't a laptop, but a workstation. You might want to consider that because every laptop is going to let you down.
I have a Mac Pro for the purpose of doing heavy lifting and almost everyone in the industry has a workstation for rendering. If you also need mobility like me, then you get a laptop to showcase or do some work, but for rendering either your company has a render farm, or you have a purpose-built machine for the task... Laptops aren't going to replace a workstation, no matter what you put in them or how you design them...
I'm in oil and gas also! Are you running Bootcamp? Which software suites do you use? Most of my exploration and general work suites are Windows only. Work uses Windows machines exclusively so I just use one of the office laptops if in the field or Windows workstation in the office. I try to keep my personal laptop (mostly) work free
A mobile workstation capable of 32GB RAM and 2TB storage would be a basic power laptop.
A proper power laptop would be a 6-12 core Xeon machine, but they are not really portable, they are more like TRANSportable.
Right! But that would require you to carry a nuclear powerstation along in your pocket to keep the beast hot and going.
If you like to carry a powered-off laptop with you, then the hardware specs (apart from weight) won't count and you can take any you like.
Well, no. You can take one of those mobile workstations as a tradeoff, but not a wimpy rMBP.
He points out valid criticisms and he's a troll? Are you fanboys really this butt-hurt about anyone pointing out the truth about your beloved system?
Go over all his posts and if you call that valid criticism than ok... You probably lost touch with real world.
I'm in oil and gas also! Are you running Bootcamp? Which software suites do you use? Most of my exploration and general work suites are Windows only. Work uses Windows machines exclusively so I just use one of the office laptops if in the field or Windows workstation in the office. I try to keep my personal laptop (mostly) work free
Well fortunately for me I'm a landman, not doing the actual exploration and rigging, so as long as it's got an office suite I'm solid. What I do need is deed plotting software (specifically I have to use Net Deed Plotter) so I'm gonna end up getting Crossover just for that.
If I want to be artist I expect my rMBP to run perfectly than worrying about crashes, malwares, viruses, etc that I had with Windows desktop PC.
I know this thread is primarily about the maxed-out 15" model and some very specific resource-intensive use cases, but I wanted to comment in general about the subject - "Is the MacBook Pro a professional's computer?"
I bought a 13" rMBP (8GB/256GB) and I'm extremely happy with it. I don't use my computer for anything too resource-intensive though. In my opinion the "Pro" moniker no longer applies, especially to the lower-end base models. The base 13" rMBP has almost identical benchmark scores as the 13" MacBook Air.
Does it matter though? I think Apple in general has transitioned into less of an enthusiast/professional company and is now more of a mainstream computer company. With that being the case, I don't think anyone who buys the 4GB/128GB 13" rMBP is misled by the "Pro" in the name, thinking it's a workstation-class machine. People are aware it's basically a MacBook Air with a nicer screen.
I bought a 13" rMBP (8GB/256GB) and I'm extremely happy with it. I don't use my computer for anything too resource-intensive though. In my opinion the "Pro" moniker no longer applies, especially to the lower-end base models. The base 13" rMBP has almost identical benchmark scores as the 13" MacBook Air.
Does it matter though? I think Apple in general has transitioned into less of an enthusiast/professional company and is now more of a mainstream computer company. With that being the case, I don't think anyone who buys the 4GB/128GB 13" rMBP is misled by the "Pro" in the name, thinking it's a workstation-class machine. People are aware it's basically a MacBook Air with a nicer screen.
Sounds good. I use a lot of MapInfo or Geographix for the main analysis and interpretation side.
Lots of data handling especially with SEGY and LAS so I'm pigeon holed into windows when it comes to working with them.
Come on! Have a heart for trolls. They gotta eat, too
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Even the base pro models are high end machines compared to most notebooks on the market.
So they do count as pro in my book!
Also the mac pro is a super high end machine without a doubt.
The OPs complaints are not completely wrong but peoples standards on here are over the top.
99% of all users wouldnt even understand the discussion.
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If I want to be artist I expect my rMBP to run perfectly than worrying about crashes, malwares, viruses, etc that I had with Windows desktop PC.
Thats what
are made for.The OP has special requirements.
You can always find something the macbook is not made for if u look real hard.
There are valid criticisms to be made, and then there are cases where a person grossly distorts the facts to suit their subjective opinion. The latter is what's going on here.
I'm no fan boy by any stretch of the imagination. But the empirical evidence doesn't agree with the OP's position. On the issues with the screens, all we have are anecdotal reports of problems. In statistics, that's what's known as selection bias, or sampling on the dependent variable. On the temperature issue, it's been established that (a) different programs provide vastly different values, but also that (b) even if we accept the upper end of the range (around 100 degrees C when slamming your machine), that's still just around the Tjunction value, which isn't a problem.
Apple could certainly do a better job of cooling their laptops, as has been pointed out in other threads documenting the horrible job done with thermal paste, but to suggest that there's a serious problem here is both misleading and disingenuous.
With the number of newbies who come to these forums looking for buying advice, I worry a lot about uninformed people reading drivel and believing it to be true. The OP doesn't even understand what stress testing a processor means or how to accomplish this via a basic Terminal command (proven by the comments in the middle of this thread), yet he continues on his crusade while still claiming to use *NIX every day. That's more than a little troubling to me.
I don't like it when people have agendas and distort the facts, rather than develop a theory based on well-executed empirical research. It leads people astray and propagates misinformation.