Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
What's your opinion on the MacBook Pro not being a professional's computer?
- Thread starter MacSumo
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
I dnt believe in all tht color ******** and all... Plus these results are all from 1st generation retinas, from what im seeing no1 is nagging on many issues such as burns from new ones. Never had such a perfect laptop in my life. It will do everything u want and more, for a hardcore video editor i think having either a mac pro or pc will always be better than a laptop but if u insist on a laptop, the rmbp and 1-2 windows laptop will do the trick,
Turns out different programs report wildly different values for temperatures.
Things like iStat Pro and Temperature Monitor report values in line with what I reported earlier.
smcFanControl reports ~102 degrees C under 100% load.
Temperate Gauge Pro reports an average of 91 degrees C under 100% load.
Which are correct? I don't know. Some of this may be apps like iStat Pro and Temperature Monitor reporting on the "proximity," which I take to mean the sensor next to the heat sink, versus the temperature on the die itself. Without an understanding of what's being measured and how that intersects with recommended tolerances, this discussion is somewhat pointless. But it's been pointless for 5 pages now...
Things like iStat Pro and Temperature Monitor report values in line with what I reported earlier.
smcFanControl reports ~102 degrees C under 100% load.
Temperate Gauge Pro reports an average of 91 degrees C under 100% load.
Which are correct? I don't know. Some of this may be apps like iStat Pro and Temperature Monitor reporting on the "proximity," which I take to mean the sensor next to the heat sink, versus the temperature on the die itself. Without an understanding of what's being measured and how that intersects with recommended tolerances, this discussion is somewhat pointless. But it's been pointless for 5 pages now...
Last edited:
I don't know about anything else but the cooling, throttling (partly power-supply constraints) and lack of higher-end GPU options certainly hurt it. It doesn't even use Nvidia's professional class Quadro graphics cards.
It is however, very likely the best prosumer laptop. The problem with the truly professional laptops is that they tend to be bulky, unattractive and heavy.
It is however, very likely the best prosumer laptop. The problem with the truly professional laptops is that they tend to be bulky, unattractive and heavy.
No. This is deceptive. You did not get these temperatures whilst writing a MS word document or pages document or Final Draft document. You implied that there was a possibility to literally burn your fingers if all you do is write a document on a MacBook Pro.
So please don't lead people to believe things that simply aren't true.
I'll bite on this.
I use a late 2011 model MBP 15" with maxed processor(2.5Ghz), and aftermarket RAM (16GB) and an SSD as a scientist/stats guy(or....scientitian
). I use it for the following reasons:
1. In my experience Macs are a lot more stable than PC's - both from hardware and software perspective. Every Win laptop I bought died - within 2 -3 years. None of the macs did. They also require far less reboots and I've never yet had to do a system reinstall (althought I've done them when selling/giving away old machines etc)
2. I tend to have alot of apps open at once - some crunching numbers. At the time I bought it was the best i7 in a laptop I could get for this reason (and not just for the obvious stuff like processor speed - if you look into the specs this was the only i7 laptop at the time with 8MB L3 cache for example)
3. I occasionally do crazy stuff with the stats end of it and run models that take hours to days to run. Again this was fastest machine I could get at the time. Also - this software is not optimised to multicore - so single core speed matters to me.
Because of number 3 - I would like to upgrade (though I cna't afford to right now) - the 2013 model gets about a 20% better benchmark score - to me that equates to 20% less time waiting on models to run. I haven't looked exhaustively, but from what I can see the 2013rMBP is again the fastest laptop machine on the market.
If you know otherwise - do please enlighten me
I use a late 2011 model MBP 15" with maxed processor(2.5Ghz), and aftermarket RAM (16GB) and an SSD as a scientist/stats guy(or....scientitian
). I use it for the following reasons:1. In my experience Macs are a lot more stable than PC's - both from hardware and software perspective. Every Win laptop I bought died - within 2 -3 years. None of the macs did. They also require far less reboots and I've never yet had to do a system reinstall (althought I've done them when selling/giving away old machines etc)
2. I tend to have alot of apps open at once - some crunching numbers. At the time I bought it was the best i7 in a laptop I could get for this reason (and not just for the obvious stuff like processor speed - if you look into the specs this was the only i7 laptop at the time with 8MB L3 cache for example)
3. I occasionally do crazy stuff with the stats end of it and run models that take hours to days to run. Again this was fastest machine I could get at the time. Also - this software is not optimised to multicore - so single core speed matters to me.
Because of number 3 - I would like to upgrade (though I cna't afford to right now) - the 2013 model gets about a 20% better benchmark score - to me that equates to 20% less time waiting on models to run. I haven't looked exhaustively, but from what I can see the 2013rMBP is again the fastest laptop machine on the market.
If you know otherwise - do please enlighten me
Last edited:
Apparently this was written by someone who knows absolutely nothing about the way modern electronics are manufactured, and even less about how much Apple scrutinizes its supply chain.
Every computer manufacturer outsources the production of its components. Most of that manufacturing happens in China. Apple exercises an enormous amount of control over those manufacturing lines with Apple employees permanently in place (with more visiting on a monthly basis) to ensure quality control. Even with Samsung, the company is so huge that the PC division's use of Samsung flash for the SSD and Samsung LCD for the screen might as well be from different companies. And they have to outsource production of their other components that aren't made by some Samsung division.
And as others have pointed out, there other "professionals" besides professional photographers. There are plenty of professional engineers (I'm one), doctors, lawyers, etc. using rMBP happily.
This is just like those other pointless discussions about what is a "professional" camera, tablet, phone, knife, etc. Professional equipment is whatever a professional has in his/her hand.
This is the type of BS I'm talking about that Apple gives to its customers:
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18435345/
If you're a doctor, lawyer, or a writer, you may not be attuned to checking for faults. You're happy with "average" or "below average" quality, and that's fine, if that's what YOU care about.
I, on the other hand, don't accept below average.
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18435345/
If you're a doctor, lawyer, or a writer, you may not be attuned to checking for faults. You're happy with "average" or "below average" quality, and that's fine, if that's what YOU care about.
I, on the other hand, don't accept below average.
For what it's worth in this discussion: I am a professional (VP of Global Sales) and I really like my rMBP above my old MBP. Weight and more importantly screen quality.
But then again, feel free to continue bashing - won't hurt my feelings and experiences
But then again, feel free to continue bashing - won't hurt my feelings and experiences
Did you miss my post above ?
Genuinely want to know your alternative suggestions to a macbookpro for my uses.
You also have demonstrated repeatedly in this thread that you don't know what you're talking about. Your idea of what's "below average" is as silly as a blind man throwing a dart and insisting whether he did or didn't hit the bullseye.
If you're running stats (I assume SPSS or R), then you can have the best of both worlds on a Windows machine, while R will work just fine on a Linux machine.
Options:
http://www.amazon.com/Dell-XPS-XPS15-6842sLV-15-6-Inch-Laptop/dp/B00FEE78GG
Samsung Ativ with the ultra HD display
or the Thinkpad W530, with the following specs
Intel Core i7-3840QM Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.80 GHz)
Windows 7 Home Premium 64
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 - English
15.6" FHD (1920 x 1080) LED Backlit Anti-Glare Display, Mobile Broadband Ready with color calibration sensor
NVIDIA Quadro K2000M Graphics with 2GB DDR3 Memory
Color Sensor
32 GB PC3-12800 DDR3 (4 DIMM)
Keyboard Backlit - US English
UltraNav with Fingerprint Reader for Color Sensor, Smart Card Reader
720p HD Camera with Microphone
256GB Solid State Drive, OPAL SATA3
DVD Recordable
Express Card Slot & 4-in-1 Card Reader & Smart Card Reader
9 Cell Li-Ion TWL 70++
170W Slim AC Adapter - US (3pin)
Bluetooth 4.0 with Antenna
Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 AGN
Mobile Broadband upgradable
Publication - US English
----------
you're not debating. you're trying to debase the speaker.
yellow tint = below average
if display has yellow tint, then below average.
As an Amazon Associate, MacRumors earns a commission from qualifying purchases made through links in this post.
His skip was intentional, and your post was accurate. You aren't going to find much else in a portable form factor that will finish computationally intensive stuff faster than the top-end 2013 model. Something with the 4th generation i7-4900MQ would do a bit better due to the cache and higher clock, but you'll pay a premium, and usually you see it in behemoth laptops (e.g., the Alienware 17").
----------
Not at all. I weighed in on the temperature aspect. Once you got hit with real live data, and discussion of different programs returning different values, you stopped replying. My commenting on your refusal to engage in facts is just, well, a statement of fact.
I'll ask you to present statistics on the incidence in the population of yellowish tint MBPs, only because I know you can't do so, and that in and of itself illustrates why your viewpoint is biased and not empirically derived.
Around 2011 when Apple announced FCPx I looked at Apple's lineup, and realize they weren't professional back then. No eSATA, only 2 USB ports, anemic hard drives, the only think "professional" about them was the price tag. I never upgraded to FCPx and switched to the PC world. Maybe my laptop isn't 2cm thick, but at least it lets me do what I want to do.
The current MBP is a joke as a professional computer, and I rightfully so associate it as a $2500 Facebook Machine.
The current MBP is a joke as a professional computer, and I rightfully so associate it as a $2500 Facebook Machine.
R and Stata work great under their Mac versions. SPSS is a piece of junk. Almost no one uses it for actual real statistics work—certainly of the variety that would take days to run.
Honestly, I'm still cracking up over this one.
Last edited:
No, it's used by some social scientists, and only there because it was (and still is) at things like value labels and cross-tabs. It's slow, clunky, poorly designed from a syntax point of view, doesn't handle large data files well...the list goes on and on. Semi-serious number crunching is best handled in Stata or R (both of which are slow in their own right, depending upon the tasks), and truly serious number-crunching is best handled in something like Matlab or SAS.
"Statisticians" rarely use SPSS, and it's the butt of many jokes.
That Thinkpad with 8Gb RAM and K2000 (which is about on par with Iris Pro btw) is $2500 outside of current BF rebate. A rMBP with the same CPU is $200 cheaper. Its also over 600g lighter. Why would I choose the Thinkpad again?
I'm confused now. Apple offers you the fastest ports and fastest storage currently available on a laptop. I would call a drive which surpasses capabilities of a SATA3 interface 'anemic'. If having fast ports and fast storage is your definition of professional, then the current MBPs must the the most professional laptops ever
Just watching a flash video cooks my nuts... I think it gets a lot hotter than the Ivy Bridge model.
I'm pretty happy with it otherwise.
I also think Windows + their apps are more stable (PS CS6 crashed on me just yesterday, and all I could do was hold down the Pwr button)... but I've been using Windows for 20 years and Macs for 6 months.
Last edited:
I've noticed the jerkiness too... I ~fixed it in Chrome by disabling GPU compositing on all pages.
chrome://flags
I've said it before and I'll say it again. What matters more in a high grade workstation isn't really the CPU. Its the cooling, boost, and throttle characteristics. Apple is really good at hitting any of those, especially for extended amounts of time. Boost on a rmbp is limited compared to a well cooled system.
A W530 isn't anywhere close to $2500
http://shop.lenovo.com/ca/en/laptops/thinkpad/w-series/w530/
Its going to cost $1800 max (you can buy a msata drive and pop it in yourself to save a couple hundred dollars).
A W530 isn't anywhere close to $2500
http://shop.lenovo.com/ca/en/laptops/thinkpad/w-series/w530/
Its going to cost $1800 max (you can buy a msata drive and pop it in yourself to save a couple hundred dollars).