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What's your realistic, best case scenario Early 2010 MacBook Pro build?

Richard1028 said:
Physical media in general is dying and BR will croak before it ever approaches universal acceptance.
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That's just not true. Why do people keep parroting this sad bit of stupidity.
BD is being adopted faster that DVDs were when they were at the same time in their lifespan.

One more time, BD will not croak, no matter how much Apple want's you to think so because they don't want you to have it to force you to use iTunes. Jeebus. Wake up folks. :mad:
 
mrsir2009 said:
I don't get what is wrong with DVD quality really... I don't think I'll ever use Blu Ray.
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People said the same when sound came to the movies. A dvd is fuzzy compared to Blu-ray.
 

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Bubba Satori said:
That's just not true. Why do people keep parroting this sad bit of stupidity.
BD is being adopted faster that DVDs were when they were at the same time in their lifespan.

One more time, BD will not croak, no matter how much Apple want's you to think so because they don't want you to have it to force you to use iTunes. Jeebus. Wake up folks. :mad:
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It might be true in a couple of years. Cloud computing might replace the need for fast computers, which is cool, as long as you have fast internet connection. The same might happen for physical media, but not necessarily will.

Currently Blu-Ray is a good standard for backup at least... DVD quality is good, but people seems to want more and more (and more and more...).
 
Don't need a physical disk to get better quality than DVD.
1080p movie can be done in a 10GB file with h264, with very good result, why just look at Apple's quicktime HD trailers they're at this sort of bit rate.
I'm patiently waiting for some online store to offer this, pirates, who are usually faster than the industries ;), already offer this.
DVD quality is crap. It's fussy and low resolution, if you view good 1080p video on a screen at a close enough distance to see the detail, you'll see that 1080p is a bigger improvement in quality than DVD was over VHS.
 
The visible improvements of an HD image over an SD one are incredibly obvious, particularly on high resolution screens like laptops - that's not the point, the whole Blu Ray debate is whether or not physical media is the best way to deliver it or whether it would be better to pursue online methods +/- external drives.
 
I've seen enough updates to know how this goes. All of those things you want below (say 6-10 things) are usually asked for, and considering current technology, what the competition has, and the prices apple charges, it seems reasonable to ask for them. Now take those 6-10 things, and maybe make 1-2 of them happen, and that is what the actual update will be. Maybe a minor speed upgrade here and there and one or two nice new things.

keitherson said:
Here's mine:

  • Intel "Westmere" Core i7 2.66 GHz
  • ATI "Cypress" Mobility Radeon HD 5800 series
  • Blu-ray drive
  • USB 3.0 slots
  • MiniDisplay/SD
  • No FireWire (don't shoot me ;))
  • improved battery

USB 3.0 is completely unlikely because Intel/Apple want to push Lightpeak (but that's not until late 2010 at the earliest..) and Intel delayed USB 3.0 chipset support until 2011. I really hope that the next refresh comes with better graphics, because Apple has really been skimping on graphic performance, using really bad NVidia and ATI mobile cards from the last generation.

Even in the i5/i7 iMacs that were released, they're using a desktop processor with a mobile graphics card.. how are Apple users ever going to get DirectX 11/OpenGL 3.2 support? :(

Apple is also phasing out FireWire sooner or later, and they dropped it in the entry level MacBook. I have suspicions that might do the same for the MBP to transition into LightPeak + USB 3.0.

Not sure if there's been any improvement in battery technology, but a battery greater than 7-8 hours.. would be amazing.
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Yixian said:
Whilst I wouldn't buy anything with a 4670 or worse, a 4500 card would be particularly embarrassing and send out a very negative message to graphic designers, 3D programmers and gamers - not to mention anyone with any enthusiasm for OpenCL.
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It may be because of Clarksfield's heat, they need a cooler GPU. If so, more reason for option of removing optical drive or hot CPU / cool GPU or cool CPU / hot GPU options.
 
iMacmatician said:
It may be because of Clarksfield's heat, they need a cooler GPU. If so, more reason for option of removing optical drive or hot CPU / cool GPU or cool CPU / hot GPU options.
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I know I'm going to sound like the GPU doubters here but I just can't see the need for Clarksfield in the MBPs.

Arrandale is already a monumental performance increase, particularly when you take into account the TDPs.

I deny any hypocrisy because whilst both Arrandale and Clarksfield are high end by anyones standard, the 4670 is not and the 4500s are.. no longer on the radar anymore.
 
Icaras said:
But you need a physical disc to practically get the best quality available.
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I guess I am so used to Megavideo and regular TV my eyes have "hardened"...I don't like the sharpness in the high end stuff...hurts my eyes. I turn my MBP resolution down a few steps too. I know I am likely not the norm.
 
mrsir2009 said:
That picture looks 100% the same as each other. Who would care about that much quality? You can't even tell the difference lol...:rolleyes:
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If you opened the picture and couldn't see a huge difference, i would suggest seeing an eye doctor.
 
Icaras said:
Sure, I have had my Pioneer Elite BDP-05fd since October of 2007, with over 150 BD titles, spanning across 200 bd discs, to date, so far. Connected via HDMI 1.3a are a Pioneer Elite 60" Kuro Plasma display and a Pioneer Elite VSX-94TXH. Yea, can you tell I love Pioneer? :p
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You got the disease. :D My wife has been looking for a cure for decades.

Icaras said:
Another thing that is almost entirely overlooked in this endless Blu-ray vs. digital download debate, is lossless audio. Again, experiencing a well mixed/mastered 7.1 DTS-MA HD Blu-ray on my Klipsch reference home theater surround speakers, with tower fronts, just absolutely obliterates DVD quality DD5.1 or DTS 5.1, which is the basic standard for digital download audio codecs. It is currently unthinkable to have lossless audio in digital downloads and cable because of how large the data is and the amount of bandwidth that say, a 2 hour DTS-MA HD mix would need.
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Maybe you're overlooking the fact that the entire planet voted a few years back. They said severely compressed audio was OK as long as they could carry 4,000 songs in their pocket. They said portability trumped high quality that most of them couldn't hear. Yeah, I wasn't happy with the vote either.

Icaras said:
And I admit, I fall within a very, very tiny percentage of audiophiles.
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Thank you. I rest my case.

Icaras said:
My bottom line is, is that there's no way I will compare Comcast digital to a perfectly mastered Blu-ray disc.
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But Joe Average will. The question is " how good is good enough"?

Icaras said:
Yes I have the hardware, and yes, it definitely pushes the quality found on BD discs to the stratosphere in terms of current HD quality, so this is the obvious reason for me as to why blu-ray discs are superior to cable/itunes/digital downloads.
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And you represent the majority of the market, right? (see quote below again)

Icaras said:
And I admit, I fall within a very, very tiny percentage of audiophiles.
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Icaras said:
Ok, so yes, back to Apple. I believe Blu-ray could make a suitable home on an Apple notebook. And no, I wouldn't primarily use it to watch it on the notebook itself. I mean, why do people forget that these guys can output via mini-display port? :( Who says that you HAVE to watch your HD content on a 13" display? :confused:
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But you've already got a Pioneer Elite BDP-05fd ready to go. Why are you so desperate to plug your laptop into your home theater? You haven't even made the case for Blu-ray as a storage medium. That's my strongest case for Blu-ray in a computer. You seem to want to use a $2,500 Macbook Pro to replace those cheap $199 Blu-ray players from Wally World. Seems odd.
 
Base model 13 inch:
2.5GHz core 2 duo
4GB RAM
250GB
NVidia GeForce 9600 GT w/256mb
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Hi-end 13 inch:
2.8GHz core 2 duo
4GB RAM
320GB
NVidia GeForce 9600 GT w/512mb
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Base model 15 inch:
2.5GHz core 2 duo
4GB RAM
250GB
NVidia GeForce 9800 GT w/256mb
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Hi-end 15 inch:
2.8GHz quad core
8GB RAM
500GB
NVidia GeForce 9800 GT w/512mb
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17 inch:
3.33GHz quad core
8GB
1 TB
ATI Radeon HD 4850 w/512mb

(add an SD slot)
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Upgrading to 8GB ram with the 13s and the 15s should be half the price they currently are,
also, Matte screen options should be free and they should keep the black bezel rather than silver.
 
fatlittlenick, those are last-gen GPUs. Manufacturer's always give performance improvements through better designed GPUs, lower TDP and power consumption for more performance, the 8600m GT had a TDP of 20w and the 9600m GT 23w for significantly more power.

I doubt we will see a 9800 in the MBP, if Apple does go with Nvidia, it will more likely be the die shrunk GT2xx models. As much as I dislike Nvidia at the moment, I have to say that the lower TDP and consumption of their GPUs make the GT250 more sensible than the HD4830 which btw, is a 38w TDP card that is more than 50% higher than the current ones.
 
The chances of a 9800M GT are approximately... 0%?

It's got a 65 watt TDP.

It may be a lot faster than the 9600M GT but it's still old tech with poor power saving in comparison to the upcoming generation of GPUs.

A 4850 would be possible in the 17" though, at a push, but I'm still hoping Apple wait for the 5000 series.
 
Iceclaw said:
Wait so there are going to be new revised MacBook Pro's in early 2010?
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Problem for me is the first revision of anything has so many problems normally I prefer to wait until they work the bugs out. When they totally update rather than upgrade it makes me nervous. But I am also not someone who needs to be on the cutting edge of tech for work so I bet for those people "new" can't come soon enough.
 
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