leekohler
macrumors G5
You've got to be joking. People in the US used to get married at a very young age, 15 or 16. So perhaps your grandparents couldn't imagine sex at 13 or 14, but I bet mine could.
When did you lose your virginity?
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You've got to be joking. People in the US used to get married at a very young age, 15 or 16. So perhaps your grandparents couldn't imagine sex at 13 or 14, but I bet mine could.
204467
macrumors 6502a
It would sure surprise me. Have you ever met an 8-year-old who knew the slightest bit about sex, except what strange notions they had picked up from their friends and maybe something they saw by accident in their home? No 8-year-old will ever have sex voluntarily; they extent to their knowledge about the opposite sex is what they learn from playing "doctor" with the neighborhood kids. I don't care how early you think kids are hitting puberty, they're not going to be hitting it that early and doing it at that age.
ZiggyPastorius
macrumors 68040
Oh god, sound the trumpets, the king is here.
I'd be extremely curious to see your evidence that we're on a moral decline from ever, let alone 50 years ago. Last time I checked, it was very common to have many wives, to have mistresses, et cetera back in the old days. I don't believe for one second that the amount of cheating/sleeping with more than one person in your life/et cetera has increased rampantly period, let alone in the past fifty years. STIs seem higher nowadays because we only knew about two years ago, and the number of teen pregnancies and such is actually going down, not up. Abstinence-only education is one of the biggest reasons we have so much STI-spreading and teen pregnancy in this country (the US, not sure about other places in the world). So go ahead, sit on your high horse. Morality? Right. Sex is a natural part of life, and we just happen to be one of the few species in the animal kingdom who tend to be monogamous.
I have a question, by the way: Say I'm 16 years old, and I lose my virginity to someone I love. I go on to marry that person 8 years later and stay with them. Am I morally correct, by your standards, even though I had sex outside of marriage?
How about the exact same thing happens, sex at 16, et cetera...but five years later, something happens and we broke up? We loved each other then and had sex, but it ended...am I now more morally corrupt? How about if she dies five years after because of an illness and I end up with another person who I go onto marry and have sex with before marriage? How about if the same thing happens twice, so I've had three partners?
And sometimes it's not even about will power. Virginity is non-existent...It's only some mystical thing if you hold it as such. Sex is not something to be ashamed of, despite what you may say.
tresbien
macrumors regular
well, the person you quoted had actually said at ages 10 or 11, which I think is totally plausible. I know that I knew what sex was at that age, and lately I've been hearing people in school talk about all the crazy "middle schoolers" who are all already having sex.
also, from a females point of view.. full knowledge of sex usually comes around the time when a girl starts menstruating. I got my first period when I was 11. This may not be how it is for everyone, but you have to take those kinds of things into account. But, just because people know what sex is, doesn't mean they're going to engage in it.
skunk
macrumors G4
Underage sex, incest, bestiality, pederasty, threesomes, orgies, homosexuality, cross-dressing, masturbation, adultery and sex outside marriage have all been with us for ever. The only change in sexual mores is that nowadays we can talk about what goes on without some censorious **** banging on about moral decline. Oh, wait a minute...
Iscariot
macrumors 68030
But who am I to guess, in 20 years time I'll be called prude for not wanting my 8 year daughter to have sex
Jimmi, that's patently ridiculous. You should head down to the patent office quick, so that when the other moralists get here you can charge them a quarter for agreeing with such a preposterous notion. Slippery slope arguments aren't founded in any kind of logical truth, least of all ones with a historical precedence that dates back thousands of years. "Waiting until marriage" is the anomaly here, not the norm or the gold standard.
iJohnHenry
macrumors P6
At 8, if that is the age of both participants, it is usually hopeless.
I fondly remember a warm Saturday afternoon, when I was 8 and my cousin was 10. To say it was humorous would be an understatement, in hind-sight.
Now it is a warm reflection for a sweet girl, long gone.
I fondly remember a warm Saturday afternoon, when I was 8 and my cousin was 10. To say it was humorous would be an understatement, in hind-sight.
Now it is a warm reflection for a sweet girl, long gone.
Ugg
macrumors 68000
From what I've read, the age of consent for many, many years was 10. Age of marriage was set at 12, although parental permission was needed until a person turned 21.
Premarital sexual exploration was actually condoned by many parents in the US and Canada up until the mid 1800s. It wasn't until the Victorian era that prudery began to replace common sense.
It's a shame that so many want us to return to the transitory and shameful morals of an era where piano legs were covered lest they incite lust in youthful practitioners.
OutThere
macrumors 603
Huh? Am I missing something here? Every random girl I meet is some other dude's wife?
bigandy
macrumors G3
So you're saying that every woman I've had sex with who wasn't my wife, was married to someone else?
Oops.
Iscariot
macrumors 68030
Yeah, that is the best part.
pseudobrit
macrumors 68040
You can put an awful lot down to better nutrition and health, including increases in height and IQ. This is progress, and whatever social problems follow we must adapt.
Almost clever, but what if she never marries?
204467
macrumors 6502a
Not really. This thread started out as more of a sexual survey but has instead taken off as a virginity and morals argument. Kind of annoying, but I like to read the responses anyway, since they're sometimes really funny to read.
Not knowing something doesn't make you exempt.
TuffLuffJimmy
macrumors G3
That just adds to the excitement... then again my people aren't allowed to get married currently so your point doesn't carry over.
I live in California...so it's valid here.
skunk
macrumors G4
No, you're not, unless he or she is already married. You have no idea what the future may hold.
Iscariot
macrumors 68030
Exempt from what?
DoFoT9
macrumors P6
The subject in which the conversation is based around.
dukebound85
macrumors Core
hahaha no kidding
by that logic i have committed adultery for seeing women on my "future" wife and her "future" husband
what a lame viewpoint imo
Behaving a certain way for reasons that make no sense doesn't make you moral.
gusious
macrumors 65816
Well,losing your virginity is something personal and you only loose it when you are ready to loose it. So you should know that it was going to turn out to be a moral's argument!!!!
You must or you mustn't,you should or you shouldn't......
motulist
macrumors 601
I don't mean to sound harsh, but you really need to work on your english sentence structure. For many of the sentences that you write I can't even figure out what you're talking about. No offense intended.
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