Nothing better than a Monday morning argument about sex while I stay at home with various electrodes stuck to my abdomen. Fun fun.
So the real message here is be loose and immoral?
Um, what? Did you just define my own sexual morals for me? Who are you to decide what is considered proper, or right or moral? I'm going off of the range of human existence here, not within the last few hundred years of one simple and accepted form of sexuality. And what exactly is wrong with being loose? Wouldn't it enable the baby (the eventual goal I assume) to come out easier?
Society - for some apparently unknown and curious reason - managed to survive and even flourish for thousands of years whilst maintaining a strong set of morals (and until only recently - last 50 years or so - it was the common vagrant classes that slept around so freely).
Are you serious? You really think that society has had the same morals we did from 50-60 years ago back to the beginnings of civilisation? What planet do you live on? For one, not all society is Western in mentality and origin, and second, humanity itself has gone through many phases in what it considers proper sexuality even within the same sects of culture. Our culture if based off of the Greeks and Romans right? I'll bet you things were a bit different back then.
Morals have only declined since the 20th century and more so than ever since the 60s. To move in with someone and sleep with people gratuitously would be frowned upon even 50 years ago - it was viewed as shameful and out-of-the-ordinary. I don't call the change in recent years as simply being more intellectually advanced, I call that a decline in self discipline and moral judgement.
Blah blah, the 50s were the greatest decade ever, blah blah, white picket fences...blah...everything "immoral" or even questionably so pushed under the rug and not dealt with or discussed, blah.
The fact that one possesses strong enough will power to avoid casual sex doesn't make them a prude, doesn't make them any less 'good' a person. It simply means you've got a higher standard you live by.
Again, you're creating a standards hierarchy where none exists. The only ones which do are personal ones among each individual. What exactly makes you think that someone who avoids casual sex has higher standards than others which don't? Not everyone who has casual sex does it in a dark alley behind a bar with no protection. Your idea that this sort of standard exists contributes to your idea that people who avoid casual sex are "less good", which is quite simply wrong.
It means you have virtue, not a meaningless set of 'personal values.' ("I only sleep with 5 different people a week" isn't virtue. It personal values... there's a difference)
Who cares about virtue? Seriously, does anyone really give a ****? That's a concept which originated out of the dark ages for ****s sake. The same people who value virtue in regards to virginity are the same people who like to sweep every other form of sexuality beyond vanilla heterosexual sex within marriage (or at least people who are engaged). They wonder why modern day morals have seemed to waste away, its because their definition of a proper sexuality was simply wrong! When you ignore and/or demoralise every other form of sexuality except for one specific kind, you're going to have problems. People are going to be afraid to talk about it. People are going to to start becoming ashamed about things they have no reason to be. People are not going to feel that its their choice what kind of sexuality they end up embracing as they mature. You want to talk about personal values? My personal values are as such; to explore my sexuality to the extent of my emotional and physical limits until I perish. You want to call that immoral or lacking in virtue...well, you're wrong.
Good post. It used to be we listened to and respected what our parents said. Now we just do what we want and **** 'em. Is society better or worse for it? That's the question all adults, especially parents, need to ask themselves.
Yes, because all of our parents talked to us openly about sex. If you can find a way to listen to collective silence then I shall award you a patent in doing so.
