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When do you think OS 3.0 beta 2 will come out?

Tallest Skil said:
Well, when Microsoft, the king of releasing software early, only gives out one beta, I don't see many being put out by Apple.
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That's actually not true. M$ has put out betas since the 7000 build of Win 7, just none of them have been available to the public. You can find torrents of them if you want. The most published change in one of these privater betas is the ability to uninstall IE 8 if you want, something that will be in the official release of Win 7.
 
I've seen TS comment on many threads, and he has almost always been very helpful and knowledgeable.

All he did was give his estimate, which is all any of us can do. What he believes will happen is his opinion. It doesn't have to be yours.

I, however, believe we'll see a few more beta releases
 
For all us "beta testers" who paid off some false-dev who opened an account just to make a profit selling slots, are we gonna have to rely on torrent to get the next beta or will iTunes let us know? I know someone a couple posts up said iTunes wasn't gonna let us know, but I just want to get a second opinion here.
 
yeah whoever said microsoft doesn't release betas.... cmon haha.

and it hasn't even been a week since the first beta has come out. there are 2 more months until june so give it a few weeks and then the 2nd beta will come out. and hopefully - if all the predictions are correct the final revision of 3.0 will come out at WWDC
 
Tallest Skil said:
Yep. Going to go off and find a sniper and a clock tower now...

If he has any evidence that I make up what I say, have him post it.
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ive been following your posts since my thread..i must say that ALL of your posts are extremely annoying and dull... your a debbie downer, and i would honestly enjoy this forum more if you werent on it
 
wildonrio said:
For all us "beta testers" who paid off some false-dev who opened an account just to make a profit selling slots, are we gonna have to rely on torrent to get the next beta or will iTunes let us know? I know someone a couple posts up said iTunes wasn't gonna let us know, but I just want to get a second opinion here.
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iTunes won't have to let you know. You'll know that there's a new beta build available when your current build expires (although it will probably expire after a new build has already been available for at least a few days).

Anyway, iTunes won't tell you squat. iTunes only checks for official public releases, nothing else. Last year with 2.0, new beta releases usually coincided with new SDK releases. I suspect the same will be the case with 3.0. Macrumors and many other sites usually got wind of when a new build was released and I'm sure you'll hear about it on here fairly quickly. So in short, yes, you're going to have to rely on torrents if you're not a registered developer. However, with all of these users obtaining the 3.0 beta through unofficial channels I imagine that Apple will soon implement an additional barrier or barriers to try and prevent further unauthorized installations of 3.0.
 
Mikey B said:
That's actually not true. M$ has put out betas since the 7000 build of Win 7, just none of them have been available to the public. You can find torrents of them if you want. The most published change in one of these privater betas is the ability to uninstall IE 8 if you want, something that will be in the official release of Win 7.
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No they haven't. How do I know this? I have an MSDN subscription.

ViPa said:
ive been following your posts since my thread..i must say that ALL of your posts are extremely annoying and dull... your a debbie downer, and i would honestly enjoy this forum more if you werent on it
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So you've been stalking him?? For my enjoyment of the forum, do you reckon you can keep threads on topic rather than whinging about a user who probably knows more than you and is simply giving their opinion.

My opinion on this topic, there maybe one or two more developer only releases. I'm not completely convinced though. Did they release this with the view of having testers, or have they released it so that developers can get started on making their applications, so that when they do release 3.0, there are already mulitple applications available to make their OS even better.
 
SIUGRAD99 said:
Don't mind his comments, he seems to have an answer for everything on this board regardless of if actual knowledge is involved in his statements.
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LOL This is very true. Although, he's typically right... but I doubt that's the case here. Still, it's his opinion even though I don't agree with it.
 
I believe Beta releases are not seeded on iTunes.

But if you are true to the cause and purpose of this Beta, please do report your bugs and feedback to Apple Bug Reporter.
 
I am hoping for a new Beta Build release soon to help some of my issues.

I highly doubt Apple would only release one Beta and have a lot of us stuck with issues on our phones until this Summer. Especially being we cannot downgrade.
 
ugp said:
I am hoping for a new Beta Build release soon to help some of my issues.

I highly doubt Apple would only release one Beta and have a lot of us stuck with issues on our phones until this Summer. Especially being we cannot downgrade.
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Downgrading is simple. There's step by steps all over this forum.

And honestly Apple probably wouldn't care if you were "stuck" with the beta firmware they released. It's there for the purposes of bug identification and app development. That's why it's necessary to get the firmware via torrent and not iTunes or Apple's website if you're not a developer. The average iPhone user isn't supposed to have it in the first place.
 
ugp said:
I highly doubt Apple would only release one Beta and have a lot of us stuck with issues on our phones until this Summer. Especially being we cannot downgrade.
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This is why the instructions that come with the beta clearly state to not install this on anything else than a device used purely for development and testing.
 
PoitNarf said:
iTunes won't have to let you know. You'll know that there's a new beta build available when your current build expires (although it will probably expire after a new build has already been available for at least a few days).

Anyway, iTunes won't tell you squat. iTunes only checks for official public releases, nothing else. Last year with 2.0, new beta releases usually coincided with new SDK releases. I suspect the same will be the case with 3.0. Macrumors and many other sites usually got wind of when a new build was released and I'm sure you'll hear about it on here fairly quickly. So in short, yes, you're going to have to rely on torrents if you're not a registered developer. However, with all of these users obtaining the 3.0 beta through unofficial channels I imagine that Apple will soon implement an additional barrier or barriers to try and prevent further unauthorized installations of 3.0.
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How do legitimate beta testers get the latest beta builds if it's not through iTunes?
 
Tallest Skil said:
The relevant developer page for software releases should have all (or the latest) instance(s) listed.
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So if we paid a dev to be a beta tester, would it be fair to assume we also deserve access to his developer page so we can download newer betas as they come out? Can't he just give us some sort of beta tester access so we can't mess with or access any of his personal info?
 
wildonrio said:
So if we paid a dev to be a beta tester, would it be fair to assume we also deserve access to his developer page so we can download newer betas as they come out? Can't he just give us some sort of beta tester access so we can't mess with or access any of his personal info?
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Mmm... eh... Hmm. Interesting.

The developer program isn't designed to do that, mainly because they expect one person to be paying.

I know of no way to access assets without having access to personal information, as you must log in as the person to see the assets. With the current setup, it would not be possible for whomever you paid to keep his information truly safe.

If you want to get technical–you helped pay for it, you should get access like everyone else–then you should have access, but there is no way to do so with Apple's setup. Therefore, should there be another beta release, all these people (the ones who were too impatient to wait three months to get for free something that they don't deserve to have) won't get access to this hypothetical second beta. Only the person in whose name the account is registered will get future betas.

And we would have OUTRAGE here, none of which would be justified. Allow me to postulate several responses that we can post in these hypothetical "can't get second beta" outrage threads:

If they helped pay for the account:
"You should have waited for the full release."
"You should have bought your own account."

If they just had their SSID added to someone's account:
"You weren't supposed to have it, anyway. Be thankful for what you got."
"Wait like the rest of us."
 
wildonrio said:
So if we paid a dev to be a beta tester, would it be fair to assume we also deserve access to his developer page so we can download newer betas as they come out?
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You don't deserve anything from the developer that gave you access or Apple. I'm assuming most that are offering access to the beta from their dev accounts are registered as individuals and not a team or corporation, which doesn't allow them to add any other users to the dev program portal.

Tallest Skil said:
Therefore, should there be another beta release, all these people (the ones who were too impatient to wait three months to get for free something that they don't deserve to have) won't get access to this hypothetical second beta. Only the person in whose name the account is registered will get future betas.

And we would have OUTRAGE here, none of which would be justified. Allow me to postulate several responses that we can post in these hypothetical "can't get second beta" outrage threads:

If they helped pay for the account:
"You should have waited for the full release."
"You should have bought your own account."

If they just had their SSID added to someone's account:
"You weren't supposed to have it, anyway. Be thankful for what you got."
"Wait like the rest of us."
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Exactly. I don't think many here realize the risks that they take with installing a beta OS on their iPhone. Not only does the beta introduce new functionality, it's also tweaking existing functionality... existing code. Say you're running 3.0 beta on your iPhone and for whatever reason you need to make an extremely important call, such as dialing 911 for any sort of emergency. All of the sudden the phone app quits due to a bug in some new code and you have to reboot your iPhone to be able to make a call again. That's rather inconvenient I think. Granted, the same situation could happen with the current 2.2.1, but it's far more likely to occur with a beta build, especially an early beta build. I hope everyone here that is obtaining the 3.0 beta through other than official means understands exactly what problems they're potentially opening themselves up to.
 
Tallest Skil said:
Mmm... eh... Hmm. Interesting.

The developer program isn't designed to do that, mainly because they expect one person to be paying.

I know of no way to access assets without having access to personal information, as you must log in as the person to see the assets. With the current setup, it would not be possible for whomever you paid to keep his information truly safe.

If you want to get technical–you helped pay for it, you should get access like everyone else–then you should have access, but there is no way to do so with Apple's setup. Therefore, should there be another beta release, all these people (the ones who were too impatient to wait three months to get for free something that they don't deserve to have) won't get access to this hypothetical second beta. Only the person in whose name the account is registered will get future betas.

And we would have OUTRAGE here, none of which would be justified. Allow me to postulate several responses that we can post in these hypothetical "can't get second beta" outrage threads:

If they helped pay for the account:
"You should have waited for the full release."
"You should have bought your own account."

If they just had their SSID added to someone's account:
"You weren't supposed to have it, anyway. Be thankful for what you got."
"Wait like the rest of us."
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I know we all cheated the system here, but the way the system is supposed to work (I assume), is that when a new beta comes out, all of a dev's beta testers should get access to the dev's page so they can continue beta testing. I doubt that this means the dev needs to disclose his address, social security number, and date he lost his virginity. I can't imagine it is anything beyond his name and company name. And since these really aren't developers, they can just put a bunch of false info there so beta testers can access his page without him having to trust them. Do you know what I mean? We don't all need to be screwed here. Yes, we are cheating and we don't deserve it, I know this. But these false devs are cheating too, so I think they owe it to us to give us access to their page which they have left clean of their personal info.

When the new beta comes out and we all need to to keep our phones working, I don't see why all the faux beta testers get lines like "Well you shouldn't have done this, it was against the rules!" while all the faux devs get lines like "Go ahead and keep everyone's money and run, you are totally justified. Those beta testers were a bunch of cheaters any way, they deserve to get screwed." We're all in this together here, let's all keep our word and help each other out without pointing fingers as to who is breaking rules, because we all are.
 
wildonrio said:
I know we all cheated the system here, but the way the system is supposed to work (I assume), is that when a new beta comes out, all of a dev's beta testers should get access to the dev's page so they can continue beta testing.
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Nope, only registered development team members can access the dev portal. As I said just above, most of the "developers" selling access probably registered as individuals. Here's what the dev portal says:

If you have enrolled your company in the iPhone Developer Program, you first need to set up your iPhone Development Team in the ‘Team’ section of the Program Portal.

If you have enrolled as an Individual in the iPhone Developer Program, you are designated the Team Agent and therefore have access to all Program Portal capabilities. You can not add any additional team members.
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So the only way they'd be able to grant you access is to give you their own username and password. Not likely to happen.

wildonrio said:
When the new beta comes out and we all need to to keep our phones working, I don't see why all the faux beta testers get lines like "Well you shouldn't have done this, it was against the rules!" while all the faux devs get lines like "Go ahead and keep everyone's money and run, you are totally justified. Those beta testers were a bunch of cheaters any way, they deserve to get screwed." We're all in this together here, let's all keep our word and help each other out without pointing fingers as to who is breaking rules, because we all are.
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Oh believe me, I'm sure Apple is well aware of the situation. These "developers" that are giving out access and have no real intent of using those they gave access to as testers for their apps are in for a lot of trouble if Apple figures out what they're doing. Straight from the "iPhone Developer Program License Agreement":

2.6 No Other Permitted Uses

Except as otherwise set forth in this Agreement, You agree not to rent, lease, lend, upload to or

host on any website or server, sell, redistribute, or sublicense the Apple Software or any services,

in whole or in part, or to enable others to do so. You may not use the Apple Software or any

services provided hereunder for any purpose not expressly permitted by this Agreement. You

agree not to install, use or run the SDK on any non-Apple-branded computer, not to install, use or

run the Apple OS and Provisioning Profiles on or in connection with devices other than Apple-

branded iPhone and iPod touch devices, or to enable others to do so.

.......

If You breach any of the foregoing restrictions, You may be subject to prosecution and

damages.
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I hope anyone that is doing this has a good lawyer...
 
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