Most of us actually. 1700 is just too much. I know the vaio Z retails around that ballpark (it comes with a PMD to boot), but I dont think that its worth that much as well
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When the 13-inch MacBook Pro with retina display is going to be released?
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Most of us actually. 1700 is just too much. I know the vaio Z retails around that ballpark (it comes with a PMD to boot), but I dont think that its worth that much as well
Well, we shall see.
For now, looks like specs are confirmed to be pretty much identical to 13" MBP:
http://bbs.weiphone.com/read-htm-tid-5337695.html
Same Core i5 3210M 2.5GHz CPU for the base model, I guess.
Funny thing is... the motherboard shows only one big chip (the CPU), but 2 fans... It's obvious Apple is very conscious of excess heat. Looks like the extra space saved by removing the optical drive was delegated to the fan and extra battery. Looks to me like around 75WHr there.
8GB RAM standard. Looks like I was wrong after all. Base model does come with 256GB SSD.
For now, looks like specs are confirmed to be pretty much identical to 13" MBP:
http://bbs.weiphone.com/read-htm-tid-5337695.html
Same Core i5 3210M 2.5GHz CPU for the base model, I guess.
Funny thing is... the motherboard shows only one big chip (the CPU), but 2 fans... It's obvious Apple is very conscious of excess heat. Looks like the extra space saved by removing the optical drive was delegated to the fan and extra battery. Looks to me like around 75WHr there.
8GB RAM standard. Looks like I was wrong after all. Base model does come with 256GB SSD.
That's what I imagined. Same configuration as the 13-inch non-retina, save for the 8 GB RAM standard. I really had doubts about the SSD... but at US$ 1,699, it seems to me logical that it will come with a 256 GB SSD (the additional 128 GB is probably even more expensive than the price difference for the retina display...).
Looks to me like the rMBP 13" is the much better value than either the MBA 13" or the MBP 13". You're getting MBP 13" performance in a much thinner and lighter body (looks like about 3.2lbs there), with 8GB standard, 256GB SSD, and a very high resolution and sharp screen.
Upgrading a base 13" MBP to the same config on Apple's website comes to $100 more expensive.
Even if you're using third-party parts, you're still looking at around $1499 for a similarly configured MBP 13" ($170 for 256GB SSD and $30 for 8GB RAM), and you're missing out on the much better screen, much bigger battery, much lighter and thinner body.
I think Apple will stick with this pricing for a while, and then maybe they'll drop the 15" rMB to $1999, and the 13" rMBP to $1599 when they phase out the cMBP. At which point, they'll pretty much have a perfect pricing tier from the very low end all the way to the top end IMO.
I am pretty sure that the 13" rMBP, even at US$ 1,699, is a much better value than both the 13" cMBP and the 13" MBA. To be honest with you, I wouldn't buy neither the 13" cMBP nor the 13" MBA because I think none of these two laptops are up to my expectations. If I had to choose between these two laptops, I would choose none and instead opt for a Windows machine. It looks like a bad joke selling the 13" cMBP for US$ 1,199, when it has absolutely nothing special about it (no SSD, a low display resolution, a standard processor). I don't mean that Apple should sell the 13" cMBP for a lower price; what I mean is that they have taken too long to replace it.
And now, instead of simply replacing the old technology with the new one (which is what everybody expects), Apple is charging a premium over it (as if the costs of manufacturing the old and now obsolete products hadn't diminished over the years). The rMBP corresponds to the cMBP four years ago, but Apple is charging more for it. However, the one thing that pisses me off is, while Apple charges a premium over new MacBook Pros, it sells the brand new retina iPad and the iPhone 5 for exactly the same price as its predecessors.
This would make sense. There would be no reason for Apple to keep the cMBP if it plans to keep the same current price structure of the rMBP. It seems to me that this is a time of transition; and that even Apple thinks that the prices of the rMBP are too much, so it is still offering cheaper alternatives.
I guess your pricing may be correct. Apple may choose to drop prices of the current rMBP in the next refresh, so it can drop the cMBP without so much pain for the consumers. And then it may drop the prices very slowly through the years (just as it did with the cMBP).
From the pictures posted if real: it looks like the speakers are under the keyboard like an Air- That's a disappointment. i may have to keep my 15 rMBP, the sound is the best from a notebook weighing less than 8 lbs, ever.
Well, at least it seems like that the 13" rMBP is just around the corner...
I have given the pricing some thought.
Even though it is $1699 (more than we expected) I have thought about it...and it is not a bad value. If it has 256 SSD, 8 gigs of RAM... that's pretty good! This configuration is $1599 on the Macbook Air. Not only will the rMBP have an outstanding screen, it will have a much better processor than the Macbook air as well. So weighing this all in, the 13 rMBP is not a bad deal at all, especially for us who were considering the max'd out MBA. It is really only $100 more than the MBA. Even though its not cheap, I consider it a fair price.
Even though it is $1699 (more than we expected) I have thought about it...and it is not a bad value. If it has 256 SSD, 8 gigs of RAM... that's pretty good! This configuration is $1599 on the Macbook Air. Not only will the rMBP have an outstanding screen, it will have a much better processor than the Macbook air as well. So weighing this all in, the 13 rMBP is not a bad deal at all, especially for us who were considering the max'd out MBA. It is really only $100 more than the MBA. Even though its not cheap, I consider it a fair price.
This is consistent with one of the first hints that appeared regarding the 13" rMBP, at MiniBatteryLogger: 12.191 V * 6.580 Ah ≈ 80Wh. If this is correct, I am very impressed with your battery estimation powers.
you're confusing real estate with clarity. ui elements will take the same space they do under a 1280px display and menu bars etc cannot be sized down. they'll be far larger than eg on a MBA, severely limiting the space you have for the actual content. that may be bearable when browsing, but imagine using photoshop or another pro tool that has lots of menu and sidebars.
scaling up the resolution to something uneven like 1680 will help, but it will also reduce performance and clarity due to the antialiasing.
Ill still buy it, but this is an issue. Since I plan to use scaled resolutions most of the time, i guess i'll settle for nothing less than the maxed cpu..
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By the way, from the chinese weiphone thread it seems they've actually managed to shave off 1cm in width and possibly length as well, making the rMBP's footprint a bit smaller than the Air's. Also, despite not having the wegde shape, the height in the back seems to be a wee bit smaller than the Air's, on par with the 15" rMBP.
And they solved image retention and cooling problems
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This is consistent with one of the first hints that appeared regarding the 13" rMBP, at MiniBatteryLogger: 12.191 V * 6.580 Ah ≈ 80Wh. If this is correct, I am very impressed with your battery estimation powers.
It's a lucky guess. I figured it might need a big battery because Retina will require the backlight unit to work 2-3 times harder to deliver the same brightness.
Denser pixel arrangement = less light can slip through after all.
The 15" rMBP has a monstrous 95WHr battery, but the screen offset most of it.
It may reduce performance slightly, but it won't reduce clarity.
1680 x 1050 will be 3360 x 2100 scaled down. When you are scaling something down, there is never a loss in clarity.
1699$ is still quite a lot for a 13 inch retina without a dedicated graphics. Would like a option to select 128gb instead of 256gb though, so one could save some bucks. Here in Europe it's getting expensive that machine!
Do you think it's expensive in Europe? Here in Brazil a US$ 1,699 machine won't cost less than US$ 3,500. And there is a chance it costs even more.
It's not new actually.
The rMBP 15" is also thinner than the MBA 13". The MBA "cheats" by tapering down, which makes one end of it thinner, but the thickest point is still thicker than the rMBP. The rMBP is just a very thin laptop that's uniformly thin from one end to the other.
Based on my new estimates, though, the rMBP 13" may weigh in at around 3.4 lbs to 3.5 lbs if it does indeed have a 75WHr or 80WHr battery. In fact, if the battery is any bigger than 80WHr, then the rMBP 13" may actually weigh more than 3.5 lbs.
Still depressed. I really thought they would straighten the dGPU thing out this revision.
Well, heres hoping for one of the following.
dGPU mounted underneath the logic board. (yea right)
cMBP refreshed with dGPU without optical. (even bigger laugh)
External dGPU thunderbolt or USB 3.0 docking solution for graphics cards they lock down proprietary. (Like they do with the MP line)
Let's not even rattle MP user cages. They have been getting this same shaft over the last few years.
Well, heres hoping for one of the following.
dGPU mounted underneath the logic board. (yea right)
cMBP refreshed with dGPU without optical. (even bigger laugh)
External dGPU thunderbolt or USB 3.0 docking solution for graphics cards they lock down proprietary. (Like they do with the MP line)
Let's not even rattle MP user cages. They have been getting this same shaft over the last few years.
Nothing of that will happen, though. External GPUs have been in the news for years already and also eversince Thunderbolt was announced, but they've been delayed again and again.
And the price is supposedly in the $300 range and you'd need a GPU on top of that AND it's not even sure whether it really works with games, bootcamp and such.
Quite sad.
Dude, it's not a contest. Just pointing out the price difference. You keep complaining 'bout your prices; move, buy another laptop or just deal with it
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