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When the hell is Apple gonna fix the Wireless problem in Leopard?!
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It would be nice if people actually got off their fat behind and use the advice. I can't stand trying to help people who refuse to take advice when it is given to them - this thread being the prime example of that. I quesiton whether they're wanting help or whether they just like the sound of their own posts.
we have tried. Ive been trying on off for TWO WHOLE ****ing years. So please dont lecture me. Apple robbed me with this produce that has broken internet, broken cases and almost caused a fire in my house. Please remove your fan boy antics from this thread
Possible solution?
Well, I've had this trouble for about a week now, I think since I updated to 10.5.4.
Drove me mad, so I scoured the forums & blogs noticing lots of others had had the same trouble [the trouble being full wireless reception, but no internet connection via router...Netgear WNR834Bv1, but router type didn't seem to make a difference].
So, I tried all the advice I could find incl. dumping preferences, deleting keychain passwords, multiple permissions repairs with Disk Utility, changing password security from WPA2 to WEP (which did make a difference, tho made me paranoid, so switched back to WPA2 ) etc.
Anyway, last night I thought I'd found the cause. My wife also has a MacBook, & after a bit of experimenting discovered that my internet dropped out as soon as she downloaded anything! So I thought maybe it was some kind of interference (despite us both having been able to access the Internet at the same time previously). However, not being a programmer, or genius, didn't know how to solve it.
So I thought I'd try Yasu, for a full service....should have done that in the first place...and now...IT WORKS! This was 6 hours ago, and it's still going well, even after multiple tests.
HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY!
On a side note: Had cloned disk from month (or 2?) ago on external hard drive of 10.5.2 and restarted from it...no drop outs, everything working fine. I also remember everything being fine with 10.5.3.
On a second side note: after looking at terminal last night, noticed that a RealPlayer download agent[101] appeared quite often throughout the day, so I restored original preferences in Real Player (v. 11.0.0) and disallowed the download agent to be used with my internet browsers. Don't know if that was a or the cause of the dropouts, just thought I'd mention in in case.
I hope I've been some help
UPDATE: 8 days along and still going as per normal.
Well, I've had this trouble for about a week now, I think since I updated to 10.5.4.
Drove me mad, so I scoured the forums & blogs noticing lots of others had had the same trouble [the trouble being full wireless reception, but no internet connection via router...Netgear WNR834Bv1, but router type didn't seem to make a difference].So, I tried all the advice I could find incl. dumping preferences, deleting keychain passwords, multiple permissions repairs with Disk Utility, changing password security from WPA2 to WEP (which did make a difference, tho made me paranoid, so switched back to WPA2
) etc. Anyway, last night I thought I'd found the cause.
My wife also has a MacBook, & after a bit of experimenting discovered that my internet dropped out as soon as she downloaded anything! So I thought maybe it was some kind of interference (despite us both having been able to access the Internet at the same time previously). However, not being a programmer, or genius, didn't know how to solve it.So I thought I'd try Yasu, for a full service....should have done that in the first place...and now...IT WORKS!
This was 6 hours ago, and it's still going well, even after multiple tests.HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY!
On a side note: Had cloned disk from month (or 2?) ago on external hard drive of 10.5.2 and restarted from it...no drop outs, everything working fine. I also remember everything being fine with 10.5.3.
On a second side note: after looking at terminal last night, noticed that a RealPlayer download agent[101] appeared quite often throughout the day, so I restored original preferences in Real Player (v. 11.0.0) and disallowed the download agent to be used with my internet browsers. Don't know if that was a or the cause of the dropouts, just thought I'd mention in in case.
I hope I've been some help
UPDATE: 8 days along and still going as per normal.
No harm in trying this out tonight, thanks for the tip.
Does anyone know if its possible to go back to a previous version (10.5.3) ??
Does anyone know if its possible to go back to a previous version (10.5.3) ??
Something odd is going on, for about a week now i have a rock solid wlan connection with my leopard cat!
I've changed another setting within my router webinterface: TX Rates from "auto" to a fix value. Hell, i havnt found out what TX Rates are about but it seems to work.. i can watch youtube videos and do skype calls without interruption. FINALLY!
The new strange behavior now is that my airport icon shows me only two waves instead of a full connection even when i'm sitting in the fron of the router itself. Anyway, the speedtests on the internet shows me that i use my full 16mbit connection with the two waves as well!
So maybe this could work for a few of you guys too.
I've changed another setting within my router webinterface: TX Rates from "auto" to a fix value. Hell, i havnt found out what TX Rates are about but it seems to work.. i can watch youtube videos and do skype calls without interruption. FINALLY!
The new strange behavior now is that my airport icon shows me only two waves instead of a full connection even when i'm sitting in the fron of the router itself. Anyway, the speedtests on the internet shows me that i use my full 16mbit connection with the two waves as well!
So maybe this could work for a few of you guys too.
Changing Channel Worked for Me
I had the same problem - my router defaulted to channel 6. I switched to channel 11, and I no longer have any issues.
Thanks kaiwai!
I had the same problem - my router defaulted to channel 6. I switched to channel 11, and I no longer have any issues.
Thanks kaiwai!
Cool, all I can suggest is people try different channels and locations for their router. I was cheesed off btw in the post dated 17 July because people are constantly wanting advice but never taking on board the suggestions. Its like a person complaining that their hand hurts when they smash it with a hammer, I suggest for them to stop doing it, but they continue smashing their hand with a hammer then complaining.
Some of us have been taking this advice but are still suffering weeks later. Its not my responsibility to fix Apples mess, but I'm still trying. Some people need to cool down on the fanboy levels of defence when it comes to Apple, and stop blaming the consumer for a problem that is not their fault. Basically my Macbook is now a brick and I no longer use it. It's a shame that I will have to buy a new laptop now.
What worked for me
I had the issue with "airportd MIG failed = 1 ((os/kern) invalid address))" appearing in Console. I could connect to a wireless network with WPA2, but could not obtain an IP address (only self-assigned 169.xxx.xxx.xxx address). What fixed it was:
1. Enter Network Preferences -> AirPort.
2. Click Advanced...
3. Go to the TCP/IP tab.
4. Under Configure IPv4, change the pulldown from DHCP to BootP.
5. Click OK.
6. Click Apply.
7. Click Advanced again.
8. Go to the TCP/IP tab again.
9. Under Configure IPv4, change the pulldown from BootP back to DHCP.
10. Click OK.
11. Click Apply.
I immediately got a working IP address. I hope that this is useful to someone.
I had the issue with "airportd MIG failed = 1 ((os/kern) invalid address))" appearing in Console. I could connect to a wireless network with WPA2, but could not obtain an IP address (only self-assigned 169.xxx.xxx.xxx address). What fixed it was:
1. Enter Network Preferences -> AirPort.
2. Click Advanced...
3. Go to the TCP/IP tab.
4. Under Configure IPv4, change the pulldown from DHCP to BootP.
5. Click OK.
6. Click Apply.
7. Click Advanced again.
8. Go to the TCP/IP tab again.
9. Under Configure IPv4, change the pulldown from BootP back to DHCP.
10. Click OK.
11. Click Apply.
I immediately got a working IP address. I hope that this is useful to someone.
I've previously noted several problems associated with my upgrade to Apple's Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) system. The machine that has given me the most trouble has actually been my officially-supported Titanium Powerbook; my unsupported dual 800 MHz Quicksilver PowerMac works perfectly. Why? The problem has been that my wireless networking card 1) at first wasn't even recognized as being there, and 2) once it was recognized, would show only two bars and would occasionally drop connections.
Did Apple Pull Time Machine+AEBS AirDisk Support?
I recently tried to reconfigure my Time Machine with my AirDisk on both my MacBook Pro and MacBook to a new drive I setup on my AEBS. The drive is formatted HFS+, the sharing permissions are fine... and Time Machine does not allow me to use the volume for Time Machine backup.
So I decided to plug the old drive in that had my old TM archives on it, and now TM won't see that one either.
If I select "Browse Other Time Machine Disks" from the Time Machine icon's context menu, I *am* able to see my old Time Machine archive (and browse) it from my AirDisk, but Time Machine will no longer let me backup to it.
So I decided to go to the Apple Support site, and found an article that was added less than two weeks ago:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2038
Time Machine in Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard can be used to back up to many kinds of Mac OS Extended-formatted drives, but it does not support AirPort Extreme's AirPort Disk feature.
I recently tried to reconfigure my Time Machine with my AirDisk on both my MacBook Pro and MacBook to a new drive I setup on my AEBS. The drive is formatted HFS+, the sharing permissions are fine... and Time Machine does not allow me to use the volume for Time Machine backup.
So I decided to plug the old drive in that had my old TM archives on it, and now TM won't see that one either.
If I select "Browse Other Time Machine Disks" from the Time Machine icon's context menu, I *am* able to see my old Time Machine archive (and browse) it from my AirDisk, but Time Machine will no longer let me backup to it.
So I decided to go to the Apple Support site, and found an article that was added less than two weeks ago:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2038
Time Machine in Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard can be used to back up to many kinds of Mac OS Extended-formatted drives, but it does not support AirPort Extreme's AirPort Disk feature.
Something odd is going on, for about a week now i have a rock solid wlan connection with my leopard cat!
I've changed another setting within my router webinterface: TX Rates from "auto" to a fix value. Hell, i havnt found out what TX Rates are about but it seems to work.. i can watch youtube videos and do skype calls without interruption. FINALLY!
The new strange behavior now is that my airport icon shows me only two waves instead of a full connection even when i'm sitting in the fron of the router itself. Anyway, the speedtests on the internet shows me that i use my full 16mbit connection with the two waves as well!
So maybe this could work for a few of you guys too.
Transmission i'd imagine
I have a feeling it isn't the driver, because when I create a new account, there is stability; there is something in the way that the configuration file is saved which is causing instability - something is corrupting something along the lines.
I would be interested to see whether the same issues arise when have an open router with no password - whether the same issues appear. If they don't appear, then I think we've narrowed it down to security/passwords and how they are stored.
I agree. I have a 3 month old MBP and I rarely have any dropping issues and I use WPA2. I can't deny that I occasionally have my signal dropped, but I've experienced that with my previous HP laptop and I have chalked it up to having a mediocre router.
maybe they just haven't found post #357 or whatever. just because you're a fish in a water on a forum, doesn't mean everyone else is. That, and this guy's problem is legit. In fact, everyone's problem is legit. Even if they can't view a flash movie on YouTube.
DISTURBANCE IN THE FORCE
People used to say "fan boy", in reference to someone who defends Apple over Microsoft. Only recently have I been seeing this used in our very own community. Some users are shipwrecked and some have more boats than others, but we all use mac here and we're all in the same boat! Why people defend the company over it's users, blows my mind. Do you think Steve Jobs is going to give you a metal of honor or something? The customer is always right, even if he's wrong. That's why they have CEO's, so someone can be responsible- not dodge the bullet.
Now let me tell you something about usability. The user shouldn't have to hack his way to use a computer. (Keyword use). And that's what the Apple's experience has always been about. Less options, less configuration, true plug-and-play, etc...
Apple doesn't stand behind their product like they used to. They just kind of ignore issues until something like a Class Action Lawsuit forces them to address it. They're that big now. Times are changing and we can't just sit here and defend Apple out of habit of defending Apple. I used to be that way, ("My PowerBook works fine- you're the one who's stupid") but if you stick with Apple, you'll get your day- and Apple will be nowhere to help you.maybe they just haven't found post #357 or whatever. just because you're a fish in a water on a forum, doesn't mean everyone else is. That, and this guy's problem is legit. In fact, everyone's problem is legit. Even if they can't view a flash movie on YouTube.
DISTURBANCE IN THE FORCE
People used to say "fan boy", in reference to someone who defends Apple over Microsoft. Only recently have I been seeing this used in our very own community. Some users are shipwrecked and some have more boats than others, but we all use mac here and we're all in the same boat! Why people defend the company over it's users, blows my mind. Do you think Steve Jobs is going to give you a metal of honor or something? The customer is always right, even if he's wrong. That's why they have CEO's, so someone can be responsible- not dodge the bullet.
Now let me tell you something about usability. The user shouldn't have to hack his way to use a computer. (Keyword use). And that's what the Apple's experience has always been about. Less options, less configuration, true plug-and-play, etc...
I agree 100% with your post.
maybe they just haven't found post #357 or whatever. just because you're a fish in a water on a forum, doesn't mean everyone else is. That, and this guy's problem is legit. In fact, everyone's problem is legit. Even if they can't view a flash movie on YouTube.
DISTURBANCE IN THE FORCE
People used to say "fan boy", in reference to someone who defends Apple over Microsoft. Only recently have I been seeing this used in our very own community. Some users are shipwrecked and some have more boats than others, but we all use mac here and we're all in the same boat! Why people defend the company over it's users, blows my mind. Do you think Steve Jobs is going to give you a metal of honor or something? The customer is always right, even if he's wrong. That's why they have CEO's, so someone can be responsible- not dodge the bullet.
Now let me tell you something about usability. The user shouldn't have to hack his way to use a computer. (Keyword use). And that's what the Apple's experience has always been about. Less options, less configuration, true plug-and-play, etc...
I agree with you to a degree....This may not apply to everyone but for many people here who are called "fanboys" they are only called that because they don't agree with somebody's complaint, they don't have to, but it doesn't mean they are defending Apple either.
Not once (that I have read here) has anyone said, "Apple is perfect, how dare you say anything negative about their product"
The reason why people (so-called fanboys) seem defensive is because of how the person complaining presents their complaint. Here's an example:
"LEOPARD SUCKS, IT LOCKS UP AND CRASHES ALL THE TIME, IT'S A BUGGY OS".
or
"SINCE I BOUGHT MY MACBOOK, IT'S REALLY DOG SLOW. MY 5 YEAR OLD WINDOWS BOX WITH HALF THE RAM RUNS CIRCLES AROUND IT"
or
"HELP, I GOT A VIRUS ON MY MAC"
or
"I INSTALLED APPLE'S LATEST UPDATE AND IT KILLED MY MAC" (Did it really "kill" your Mac?)
These people have a legitimate problem but it's usually not nearly as severe as their post makes it. In most cases a restart or a PRAM reset will fix it. In many cases the poster hides the fact that they modified their system so nobody places blame on them for the problem. Later they end up admitting it, remove the modification such as that "clear glass window theme" and their system is working.
These types of severe posts (which are generally exaggerated) tend to scare off potential users and that can attribute to the annoyance of your so-called "fanboy".
You're right, we are all using the same system so we are all in the same boat but what about the people that are NOT having problems? Remember we are all using the same system. Most problems are either hardware related or user related. Anything with the OS then we all should be sharing the same problem.
I haven't had any issues with AirPort dropping on either my old MacBook Pro (Mid 2007, with 10.5.4) or my new MacBook Pro (Late 2008, with 10.5.5 and now 10.5.6). I'm using a Linksys WRT300N router with DD-WRT v24 SP1 firmware, my wireless is set up to use WPA2-Personal encryption with AES and has a MAC address filter set up. Works fine both upstairs (where the router is) and downstairs.
I've had random dropouts with my Macbook Pro, at least I thought they were random. Turns out that it only drops connection when I'm on the phone - a wireless 2.4 Panasonic phone. I'm connected with a Motorola cable modem via an Airport Express, hidden WPA2. Would upgrading to a N router solve my problem?
It's hard to answer this succinctly. But I'll try to make it less than a page, and make it informative at the same time.
802.11n uses 5 GHz and/or 2.4 GHz. 5GHz is usually associated with 802.11a (which hardly anyone uses) and 2.4 associated with 802.11b & 802.11g. 5GHz is a "wider" band, which basically means that it's less subject to interference but it doesn't travel as far and in particular have more trouble passing through walls.
Now, the usual problem is that many classes of devices (including Bluetooth) share different parts of the 2.4 GHz ISM band, and the wifi radio and control hardware found in many residential-oriented wifi routers have been generally STUPID in terms of regulating their own radio signals and dealing with competing signals. Also if these devices malfunction or are overpowered they can bleed out and cause significant problems for anything in-band, within range. FCC regulations don't mean a whole lot in this case -- which are for the transmitters stay at or below the maximum power the FCC has specified for the designated frequency, that is all basically. Apart from that one router can operate vastly less reliable than another. FCC regulations as they were established decades ago never planned on everybody in America having multiple radio transmitters in their homes. Yet here we are with mobile phones, wireless phones, wifi, bluetooth, etc.
802.11n is not yet ratified as a standard, but it's close and should be complete this year. That hasn't stopped companies from making chipsets based upon early versions of the 802.11n specification, and it hasn't stopped device manufacturers from making routers and network interface adapters based on those chipsets. All that said, it's probably safe to go with 802.11n now, if you pick Linksys or an Apple Airport. Put simply, the main upside to 802.11n is that the specification requires the routers and clients to be smarter in managing the radio communication. It can flexibly use either 5GHz and 2.4GHz as the conditions require, and have measures built into the specification for dealing with interference and 802.11n peers playing "nice" with each other (from my understanding of it).
Summary- yes, you would be better off with 802.11n. It should give you more range and less trouble than any 802.11a/b/g device. And most "n" routers will have a backwards-compatible mode support for "b" clients seamlessly.
I had a similar issue... what I did was unsecure the network and manually add my machines to the MAC address filter. No worries there, but for some reason, every now and again my router won't release/renew ip addresses.