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When the hell is Apple gonna fix the Wireless problem in Leopard?!
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Well, this may be the case for you but I did a clean install and I have these problems!
I have both Airport and System Preferences in the Access Control tab. Do you still select "Allow all applications to access this item," or do I keep it at "Confirm before allowing access?"
Also got problems:
Hardware:
Belkin ethernet router
Linksys WAP54G
New config:
Linksys WRT150N
Also tried with:
Linksys WRT54GC
Only computer with problems is my iMac C2D 2.16Ghz (white) with Leopard.
We got a Macbook, PowerBook and a iBook all running Leopard with no problems.
Screenshot Illustrating the problem:
http://skitch.com/andrekemmeren/r5ty/dips
(HTTP download and SSH, stable data stream)
Hardware:
Belkin ethernet router
Linksys WAP54G
New config:
Linksys WRT150N
Also tried with:
Linksys WRT54GC
Only computer with problems is my iMac C2D 2.16Ghz (white) with Leopard.
We got a Macbook, PowerBook and a iBook all running Leopard with no problems.
Screenshot Illustrating the problem:
http://skitch.com/andrekemmeren/r5ty/dips
(HTTP download and SSH, stable data stream)
keep it under "Confirm before allowing access" for the network, if for some reason iChat is giving you the message of the firewall allowance then you go to the iChat key and select "allow all applications..." try it and see, if for some reason it does not work then delete that key and start anew, you can also doi it in a single swoop by deleting the keychainaccess.plist file but that entails re-doing all your passwords again. just go step by step to see if it gets stable.
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trouble shooting...
If you wish to trouble-shoot further just make another account and make it an administrative instead of standard, log off yours then into the new account and set your connection to see how stable it could be, I have done this before to compare what kind of internet plugins or files I get with the new account, or if there's different plugins that can prevent connections or trouble shooting quicktime videos that cant be watched if you have corrupt browser settings, caches or preferences etc, if your new account is better, then just move all your files into the new account and delete the old one, or if this one gets too buggy then you can always delete it for good and you still have your old account. also this account will have all fresh keychains and preferences, if you open a questionable app or widget then you know what's causing the issue. if you have too many files to copy over then through root or the superuser you can move these files without copying them holding down the command key while click-dragging the files being moved.
If you wish to trouble-shoot further just make another account and make it an administrative instead of standard, log off yours then into the new account and set your connection to see how stable it could be, I have done this before to compare what kind of internet plugins or files I get with the new account, or if there's different plugins that can prevent connections or trouble shooting quicktime videos that cant be watched if you have corrupt browser settings, caches or preferences etc, if your new account is better, then just move all your files into the new account and delete the old one, or if this one gets too buggy then you can always delete it for good and you still have your old account. also this account will have all fresh keychains and preferences, if you open a questionable app or widget then you know what's causing the issue. if you have too many files to copy over then through root or the superuser you can move these files without copying them holding down the command key while click-dragging the files being moved.
Wandered over from the apple forums to this thread and thought I'd add my woes.
I have a dlink dir-655 N wireless router but not using the N protocol. With a brand new Macbook Pro w/ a fresh Leopard install. Running wirelessly, the macbook pro sometimes doesn't awake properly and uses a self assigned IP but can happen at any time. I had originally thought some type of interference was the issue until I see others with the same issue.
I tried the keychain setting change and it didn't work for me.
My router is not using port forwarding, the SSID is visable, no MAC filtering, WEP 128bit encryption because not all my wireless devices can do WPA.
I have a dlink dir-655 N wireless router but not using the N protocol. With a brand new Macbook Pro w/ a fresh Leopard install. Running wirelessly, the macbook pro sometimes doesn't awake properly and uses a self assigned IP but can happen at any time. I had originally thought some type of interference was the issue until I see others with the same issue.
I tried the keychain setting change and it didn't work for me.
My router is not using port forwarding, the SSID is visable, no MAC filtering, WEP 128bit encryption because not all my wireless devices can do WPA.
Hello all,
I've had my share of network connection problems, but I finally solved it. I used a manually set IP address, but until about last week, it wasn't flawless.
My setup is:
IP 192.168.10.2
Subnet 255.255.255.0
Router 192.168.10.1 (doesn't change so you have to check this)
Now with this I still had the problems. What finally solved it was setting the right DNS.
I've added: Lan, the router, and the default router gateway (can be found in your router config page). The last is what seemed to fix it all. Then I added 127.0.0.1 too because I need that for my hotmail and yahoo pop access.
I hope I have helped at least someone by posting this, since it works perfect for me. By the way: my issue was that the internet suddenly stopped working, while I was still perfectly connected to the WLAN. Maybe some of you in this topic (didn't read much of it) have other issues that won't be solved with this.
I've had my share of network connection problems, but I finally solved it. I used a manually set IP address, but until about last week, it wasn't flawless.
My setup is:
IP 192.168.10.2
Subnet 255.255.255.0
Router 192.168.10.1 (doesn't change so you have to check this)
Now with this I still had the problems. What finally solved it was setting the right DNS.
I've added: Lan, the router, and the default router gateway (can be found in your router config page). The last is what seemed to fix it all. Then I added 127.0.0.1 too because I need that for my hotmail and yahoo pop access.
I hope I have helped at least someone by posting this, since it works perfect for me. By the way: my issue was that the internet suddenly stopped working, while I was still perfectly connected to the WLAN. Maybe some of you in this topic (didn't read much of it) have other issues that won't be solved with this.
"My router is not using port forwarding, the SSID is visable, no MAC filtering, WEP 128bit encryption because not all my wireless devices can do WPA"
Can you do MAC filtering even if you only have WEP? I dont know so im asking, and can you try it? or do you have the machine's Airport IDs registered in the DHCP field in your router? thanks
Can you do MAC filtering even if you only have WEP? I dont know so im asking, and can you try it? or do you have the machine's Airport IDs registered in the DHCP field in your router? thanks
A little more detail...
I have 2 macs, I have the following settings, maybe this can help you obtain a stable connection, starting with my router settings: I have one channel instead of Automatic, mixed mode until you get stability then you can switch to G or N, short preamble, SSID is off, but on is fine, WPA encrypted, WEP is fine but you need MAC filtering anyways on both, in the MAC filtering fields you should have all your Mac's Airport Ids registered, only these will access the internet. In the DCHP field enable a DHCP Server, which means that one of your machines needs to become this server, I selected the mini since that is what I use the most. with the Server enabled give your main mac the address of your choice preferably any numbers starting with x.x.x.100 this machine will now distribute these numbers to all machines that connect including the main Mac itself, it will get an IP address of x.x.x.101 or if you make a second location on that same machine it will become 102. (using "emac" to represent any computer)it will show up like this:"Static DHCP list:eMac: x.x.x.100 with the MAC address of (your eMac's Airport ID) in the Dynamic DHCP list your eMac shows like this: eMac:x.x.x.101 Mac address: (a string of about twenty numbers aprox.) next to it will be the lease expiration date. The IP address of the router could be 192.168.1.1 or 0.1, this field shows the subnet mask and the Domain name should be your network's name.
To my network settings, I use a secondary account, I think that the "Automatic" location is glitchy
I have checked"ask to join new networks" in the network name: (the one you use) in the Advanced section under Airport I only have my network and nothing else for now, it shows the type of security or nothing if its an open network, checked below is "Remember any networks this computer has joined" and "Disconnect from wireless networks when logging out" this enables the connection to log out properly during sleep,log outs and shut-downs. Under the TCP/IP tab: in the DHCP Client ID: is the DHCP server's IP address:x.x.x.100, ipv6 is off, hit OK, go back to the Airport network pane and select: "apply" if you get connected to the router only and no internet, then log back to your router and see if there are any DNS addresses in the Status page and input those numbers in the DNS tab in the network setting, hit ok and then Apply. try any web page and try for stability. Also before you start go to the terminal app and type: sudo ipfw flush then enter Y for yes, that flushes the ip rules of the secondary firewall thats been causing issues.In the DNS tab you should see the Routers ip address of x.x.x.1 and the Search Domain field; (the name of your network) try and post any results.
I have 2 macs, I have the following settings, maybe this can help you obtain a stable connection, starting with my router settings: I have one channel instead of Automatic, mixed mode until you get stability then you can switch to G or N, short preamble, SSID is off, but on is fine, WPA encrypted, WEP is fine but you need MAC filtering anyways on both, in the MAC filtering fields you should have all your Mac's Airport Ids registered, only these will access the internet. In the DCHP field enable a DHCP Server, which means that one of your machines needs to become this server, I selected the mini since that is what I use the most. with the Server enabled give your main mac the address of your choice preferably any numbers starting with x.x.x.100 this machine will now distribute these numbers to all machines that connect including the main Mac itself, it will get an IP address of x.x.x.101 or if you make a second location on that same machine it will become 102. (using "emac" to represent any computer)it will show up like this:"Static DHCP list:eMac: x.x.x.100 with the MAC address of (your eMac's Airport ID) in the Dynamic DHCP list your eMac shows like this: eMac:x.x.x.101 Mac address: (a string of about twenty numbers aprox.) next to it will be the lease expiration date. The IP address of the router could be 192.168.1.1 or 0.1, this field shows the subnet mask and the Domain name should be your network's name.
To my network settings, I use a secondary account, I think that the "Automatic" location is glitchy
I have checked"ask to join new networks" in the network name: (the one you use) in the Advanced section under Airport I only have my network and nothing else for now, it shows the type of security or nothing if its an open network, checked below is "Remember any networks this computer has joined" and "Disconnect from wireless networks when logging out" this enables the connection to log out properly during sleep,log outs and shut-downs. Under the TCP/IP tab: in the DHCP Client ID: is the DHCP server's IP address:x.x.x.100, ipv6 is off, hit OK, go back to the Airport network pane and select: "apply" if you get connected to the router only and no internet, then log back to your router and see if there are any DNS addresses in the Status page and input those numbers in the DNS tab in the network setting, hit ok and then Apply. try any web page and try for stability. Also before you start go to the terminal app and type: sudo ipfw flush then enter Y for yes, that flushes the ip rules of the secondary firewall thats been causing issues.In the DNS tab you should see the Routers ip address of x.x.x.1 and the Search Domain field; (the name of your network) try and post any results.
I have the wireless problem too, and have been reading the discussions on the Apple forum.
I have an iMac that I bought back in September. I upgraded to Leopard the day it was released. The next day, I started having wireless dropouts. For the prior month I had not had a single occurrence.
I have an Airport Extreme. My security is WPA/WPA 2. In addition to my iMac I also have a MacBook Pro, iPhone, Tivo HD, and PS3 -- all connected wirelessly. The iMac is the only device that has an issue with the wireless connection. The MBP, also running Leopard, has not had a single dropout.
Just as others have described, I will suddenly find myself unable to load web pages even though the icon shows I am still connected. It will eventually grey out and no longer show my network name in the menu. Sometimes rebooting fixes it, but most times I just sit in frustration for 10-20 minutes because I am unable to acquire a connection. During those times I will get a connection failed or connection timeout error.
Sometimes this problem happens once a day, other times once an hour. The longest span I've went without loosing my connection is about a month. It just started happening again on Friday after no problems at all since before Jan 1.
I have read through most of the posts on the Apple forum over the last few months and tried everything from changing network settings, deleting keychains, and deleting preference files. I assumed it was fixed since I went so long without a drop.
It is making it very difficult to play WoW since I'm dropping so often these last few days. This is very annoying.
Software or hardware, computer or router -- I don't know where the problem lies. I just know I'm sick of it.
I have an iMac that I bought back in September. I upgraded to Leopard the day it was released. The next day, I started having wireless dropouts. For the prior month I had not had a single occurrence.
I have an Airport Extreme. My security is WPA/WPA 2. In addition to my iMac I also have a MacBook Pro, iPhone, Tivo HD, and PS3 -- all connected wirelessly. The iMac is the only device that has an issue with the wireless connection. The MBP, also running Leopard, has not had a single dropout.
Just as others have described, I will suddenly find myself unable to load web pages even though the icon shows I am still connected. It will eventually grey out and no longer show my network name in the menu. Sometimes rebooting fixes it, but most times I just sit in frustration for 10-20 minutes because I am unable to acquire a connection. During those times I will get a connection failed or connection timeout error.
Sometimes this problem happens once a day, other times once an hour. The longest span I've went without loosing my connection is about a month. It just started happening again on Friday after no problems at all since before Jan 1.
I have read through most of the posts on the Apple forum over the last few months and tried everything from changing network settings, deleting keychains, and deleting preference files. I assumed it was fixed since I went so long without a drop.
It is making it very difficult to play WoW since I'm dropping so often these last few days. This is very annoying.
Software or hardware, computer or router -- I don't know where the problem lies. I just know I'm sick of it.
reproducing these issues...
I've been trying to reproduce these problems and re-solving them so let me post my latest issue/solution, I messed around with the router settings to see if I could reproduce the drop-outs etc, I did and upon two hours of trouble what made the connection stable was that I had to reset my router, (reset when it is on) after the hard reset and using an ethernet cable I reset it so there is no encryption and to log on to the router all you have to do is type "Admin" on the user field and the password is either sent in the clear or its"password" my first step was to establish the name of the wireless network, channel, ssid off or on-apply. start with little, configure your network settings and see, In your network setting configure so you have a secondary address, have ethernet at the top of services then Airport, now that you have connected via ethernet try the wireless signal, you should now get an IP address for your machine and you should see your router's address, go back to the router and set your new password and establish your encryption, or if no encryption the use mac filtering or not, enable the DHCP server and establish your main machine's IP address as the server for it, if this works you can now configure your next machine. remember to adjust your network setting as you change the router's settings and to disconnect your ethernet cable for full testing.
The hard reset of the router is good way to begin, believe me I've reproduced this issue to trouble-shoot since my connection has been stable for 25+ days
I've been trying to reproduce these problems and re-solving them so let me post my latest issue/solution, I messed around with the router settings to see if I could reproduce the drop-outs etc, I did and upon two hours of trouble what made the connection stable was that I had to reset my router, (reset when it is on) after the hard reset and using an ethernet cable I reset it so there is no encryption and to log on to the router all you have to do is type "Admin" on the user field and the password is either sent in the clear or its"password" my first step was to establish the name of the wireless network, channel, ssid off or on-apply. start with little, configure your network settings and see, In your network setting configure so you have a secondary address, have ethernet at the top of services then Airport, now that you have connected via ethernet try the wireless signal, you should now get an IP address for your machine and you should see your router's address, go back to the router and set your new password and establish your encryption, or if no encryption the use mac filtering or not, enable the DHCP server and establish your main machine's IP address as the server for it, if this works you can now configure your next machine. remember to adjust your network setting as you change the router's settings and to disconnect your ethernet cable for full testing.
The hard reset of the router is good way to begin, believe me I've reproduced this issue to trouble-shoot since my connection has been stable for 25+ days
Yesterday I lost my connection and was not able to reconnect at all. After more than an hour of being unable to reestablish the connection, using my MBP, I removed the WPA security and left the network open, but I made it private so that others couldn't see it. That allowed me to connect.
I've still lost my connection a few more times since the changes, but now it reestablishes the connection within a minute. At least it seems without security enabled I am able to reconnect more quickly, but it is still interfering with my online game play.
I've still lost my connection a few more times since the changes, but now it reestablishes the connection within a minute. At least it seems without security enabled I am able to reconnect more quickly, but it is still interfering with my online game play.
maybe this helps...
some routers have the ability to assist online games by going into the applications page, or look into your router for these settings, it could be that you need these numbers inputed in your router? also if you have encryption off you could use MAC filtering in order to deny access unless its your machine.
some routers have the ability to assist online games by going into the applications page, or look into your router for these settings, it could be that you need these numbers inputed in your router? also if you have encryption off you could use MAC filtering in order to deny access unless its your machine.
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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but my testing has narrowed down the wireless problems by and large to the combination of the login panel and a wireless connection with WPA/WPA2 security enabled. Once I enabled automatic login and no login on wake from sleep or screensaver, most (but not all, underline) of the wireless problems were fixed.
The other wireless problem is the bluetooth shutting down intermittently. While I cannot recreate conditions to reproduce this based on something particular, it turns out that a combination of my wireless kbd and mouse is what causes the issue. Resetting the keyboard only (and not the mouse) works for me to fix both the mouse freeze and the kbd freeze. It's even more annoying since I cannot reproduce it, though it continues to happen. Reverting back to Tiger and both of these problems were gone, so I concluded that it's not hardware, either in the BT module of the MBP or the mouse or kbd.
The other wireless problem is the bluetooth shutting down intermittently. While I cannot recreate conditions to reproduce this based on something particular, it turns out that a combination of my wireless kbd and mouse is what causes the issue. Resetting the keyboard only (and not the mouse) works for me to fix both the mouse freeze and the kbd freeze. It's even more annoying since I cannot reproduce it, though it continues to happen. Reverting back to Tiger and both of these problems were gone, so I concluded that it's not hardware, either in the BT module of the MBP or the mouse or kbd.
The issue seems to effect people differently. I have disabled Bluetooth and use WEP 128bit due to other older wireless devices that don't do WPA. I can download large files (IE the latest software updates ~11 MB) but occasionally with no apparent pattern I lose connectivity to the router. Just the MacBook Pro, nothing else has this issue. Coming out of sleep mode it happens more frequently but it can happen in the middle of using it too. No wireless mouse or kbd in my case. It's troubling that the issues are wide ranged and various things effect the issue. It makes solving it much more difficult for Apple.
10.5.2 !!!
Now that Apple has (finally!) released 10.5.2 I'm expecting / hoping floods of people reporting that the wireless issues are now a thing of the past.
I can't wait to change the thread title to "FIXED" but the joke is that it took so long that I haven't even got my MBP anymore so I need to hear the good news from you lot ... (crosses fingers) ....
On a sidenote it'd be great if they release the new MBP's tomorrow as well now that 10.5.2 is ready. Then I'll be able to get straight back into the world of Mac without having to worry about potential Wi-Fi dropouts ...
Now that Apple has (finally!) released 10.5.2 I'm expecting / hoping floods of people reporting that the wireless issues are now a thing of the past.
I can't wait to change the thread title to "FIXED" but the joke is that it took so long that I haven't even got my MBP anymore so I need to hear the good news from you lot ... (crosses fingers) ....
On a sidenote it'd be great if they release the new MBP's tomorrow as well now that 10.5.2 is ready. Then I'll be able to get straight back into the world of Mac without having to worry about potential Wi-Fi dropouts ...
That is funny actually (well in a sad kind of way!).
I had the same problem when I was trying to download 10.5.1, which was also touted by many at the time as the possible fix to the problem. (Let's hope history doesn't repeat itself). In the end I had to download the update on my PC and burn it to a disc to install. Annoying.