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Acting like sdcards are not used anymore in professional photog is a clear sign you don't know what you're talking about.
maybe if you were going to start using the angle as a tool you wouldn't be having these nightmares ...
 
No? What are you talking about? Are you mad that I want useful ports on the machine? I really don't get why someone would argue this hard about having default options, just because daddy apple tells them it's cool. Dongles are an extra expense, a point of failure, a thing you can forget, a thing that might not work with some system. They aren't as good of a solution as having a port on the machine.

I like having more universal ports that allow me to accommodate future use cases and not specific ports that tie me to yesterday’s tech. Especially, yesterday’s tech that I don’t use. Dongles are perfectly fine and at no more risk of being lost or damaged than any other piece of a pro’s gear. I understand you want Apple to dumb their products down to the world you live in, but that has never been their philosophy.
 
No? What are you talking about? Are you mad that I want useful ports on the machine? I really don't get why someone would argue this hard about having default options, just because daddy apple tells them it's cool. Dongles are an extra expense, a point of failure, a thing you can forget, a thing that might not work with some system. They aren't as good of a solution as having a port on the machine. Whatever. I'm done with this thread. There is no point in trying to argue for things that most people will use and enjoy.
just to be clear, I have no problem YOU wanting those ports but you should also accept that I (and others) DO NOT want those ports ... and belaboring that we don't know what "professionals" want/need is just ... well, let's leave it at that
 
I am totally relaxed, trust me and I am truly enjoying the reactions to my desire to not bring legacy ports back ... life is good :cool:

Me thinks you do not understand what the word "Pro" means.

The slightly upgraded MacBook Airs that Apple has been passing off as pro models for the past several years are just sad. The one exception being the 16 inch 2019 MB Pro which at least has a decent enough cooling system to run at something close to it's full potential. Though even it is lacking in ports.
 
just to be clear, I have no problem YOU wanting those ports but you should also accept that I (and others) DO NOT want those ports ... and belaboring that we don't know what "professionals" want/need is just ... well, let's leave it at that

Exactly. I’m more likely to use a Micro SD or a CF Express card which would effectively render a built in SD card reader useless for me. I’d rather just have the thunderbolt port that this slot and HDMI port would most likely be replacing.
 
I like having more universal ports that allow me to accommodate future use cases and not specific ports that tie me to yesterday’s tech. Especially, yesterday’s tech that I don’t use. Dongles are perfectly fine and at no more risk of being lost or damaged than any other piece of a pro’s gear. I understand you want Apple to dumb their products down to the world you live in, but that has never been their philosophy.

Mostly their philosophy was to lower production costs and and generate extra income via dongles that shouldn't be needed on models that have the word "Pro" in their name.

HDMI and the SD standard are both very much mainstream and relevant today and were even more so five years ago when Apple eliminated them, likely due to some combination of increasing their margin and mistakenly believing that form is more important than function.

I have an M1 MB Air. It's a great little computer but it doesn't meet all my needs. The new 16 inch pro will if the rumors are correct. No other MacBook has been able to do that for a very long time.
 
I always see individuals begging for a legacy HDMI port on the new MBP. Just so unnecessary. Just bring your dongle. Or, better still bring an Apple TV. Connect that via HDMI cable to the projector. Then AirPlay your presentation to the AppleTV. This way you can have your shiny, new MBP right in front of you and not be physically connected to the projector.

Funny, the same people whining about an HDMI port are the same people who want MagSafe to prevent their computers from being pulled to the floor. Yet, they are not worried about an HDMI cable being snagged during a presentation and doing the same thing.
 
SD cards are on the way out at the higher-end camera level. (I'm not going to say "pro" because a professional can get profession work out of just about any camera sold today) And the sub-enthusiast-level photographers are probably just using phones. I think an extra t-bolt or USB-C port would be more useful to more people.

Full disclosure, my two primary cameras are a Panasonic G9 (SD) and a Nikon Z7 (XQD & CF Express)
 
I always see individuals begging for a legacy HDMI port on the new MBP. Just so unnecessary. Just bring your dongle. Or, better still bring an Apple TV. Connect that via HDMI cable to the projector. Then AirPlay your presentation to the AppleTV. This way you can have your shiny, new MBP right in front of you and not be physically connected to the projector.

Funny, the same people whining about an HDMI port are the same people who want MagSafe to prevent their computers from being pulled to the floor. Yet, they are not worried about an HDMI cable being snagged during a presentation and doing the same thing.

I also like how they use “dongles are unprofessional” when I’m siting here looking at a fortune in high-end video and photo gear that is surrounded almost entirely with dongles, adapters, and breakout boxes. I’d buy the argument that someone needs an HDMI port on their MacBook Air to play movies on the TV in their livingroom before I’d buy the excuse that a photographer can’t handle a dongle.
 
There's no way HDMI 2.1 ports should be considered "legacy" in any discussion here. HDMI 2.1 is only available in some of the newest TVs / AV receivers for example, and supports really high resolution, VRR, and all the latest things. Finally brings the HDMI spec up to speed (literally) with DisplayPort.

HDMI 1.4 is legacy, sure, but highly unlikely Apple will include anything less than the 2.1 spec.

Having HDMI 2.1 will be amazing, because it allows people to still plug in HDMI projectors etc without dongles, and hopefully even allows these MBPs to support things like 120Hz on the latest 4K TVs.
 
There's no way HDMI 2.1 ports should be considered "legacy" in any discussion here. HDMI 2.1 is only available in some of the newest TVs / AV receivers for example, and supports really high resolution, VRR, and all the latest things. Finally brings the HDMI spec up to speed (literally) with DisplayPort.

HDMI 1.4 is legacy, sure, but highly unlikely Apple will include anything less than the 2.1 spec.

Having HDMI 2.1 will be amazing, because it allows people to still plug in HDMI projectors etc without dongles, and hopefully even allows these MBPs to support things like 120Hz on the latest 4K TVs.

I’m not considering an HDMI 2.1 port legacy. In fact, the only reason Apple would even put an HDMI port on the Mac again is to support HDMI 2.1 since it is beyond the bandwidth supported by USB or Thunderbolt. But Apple is not adding it so Doug in accounting can show PowerPoint slides on an 8 year old BenQ projector. They are doing it so you can run an 8K display at 120Hz in HDR. And as soon as USB and TB support 80Gbps, it’s back to Dongle Town.
 
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I think Apple is not going far enough with legacy ports. There are still quite a few VGA projectors in corporate America. Hell, I think Apple should add a VGA port on their new MBP. While they are at it, they can also throw in an Ethernet port. Now that's a "professional" machine. NOT.
 
It’s kind of odd that the rumors all say “start at 16 GB” but don’t say anything about where it goes from there. It sounds like these are likely to be the first Apple Silicon Macs that support 32 GB, and that would definitely be worth mentioning.
 
But Apple is not adding it so Doug in accounting can show PowerPoint slides on an 8 year old BenQ projector. They are doing it so you can run an 8K display at 120Hz in HDR. And as soon as USB and TB support 80Gbps, it’s back to Dongle Town.
You're right here for sure. But the bonus is that Doug in accounting will be able to use his crusty old projector without dongles ;) It's not just old projectors though, it's also new TVs / monitors, which is a huge bonus - jury is still out on how well Apple Silicon Macs will support Windows gaming etc going forward, but if they do at some point, this could be a decent bonus.

I'm not sure on whether they'll ditch HDMI as soon as USB / TB support 80Gbps. I really think the rumoured Apple monitor will include an HDMI 2.1 port, which massively opens up the potential audience for that display too, beyond just Mac customers. If that's the case, you'd hope Apple would continue to include HDMI 2.1 and beyond for a while yet.
 
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