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Can we also talk about how the headphone 3.5mm port jack on the right side of current macbooks is the WRONG side?

Headphone cable should come out on the left so it doesn't complete with a mouse on the right hand side.
Mouse? When you have a MacBook Pro trackpad? Are you a caveman?
 
so yeah , built in means free yes? and extra holes does in fact sacrifice strength. and what happens if any of your built in legacy ports fail? expensive mother board replacement. if a dongle fails? cheap replacement.

but sure. fight a battle for legacy ports.
Free, as in the price usually remaining the the same regardless of what ports are on it. Extra holes sacrifice strength? Give me a break. When have you seen a laptop break because it had more ports? There are way thinner laptops with more ports. What if the USB-C port fails? Same thing. It’s probably more prone to failure because people keep plugging dongles into the same port. I’ve seen my fair share of loose or broken USB-C ports. If a port fails, you can still fall back on a dongle. The problem is that you think HDMI or SD card slots are “legacy” when HDMI is the standard in most places and SD cards are still the gold standard for photography pros. I have no problem with having Thunderbolt, but I don’t see how getting more ports would possibly be a bad thing.
 
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For those “professional” people who complains about missing hdmi ports, you caveman never know what’s AirPlay for? If ur display equipment doesn’t have airplay, that’s pity pls upgrade it.
 
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Take your own advice. It’s okay for YOU to get Apple to change but not ME to keep it the way it is? What gives your needs more weight over mine or anybody else’s? USB-C is the solution for EVERYONE. The ports can be turned into anything. So it caters to everyone.
I don't get Apple to change anything. That's up to their product managers. Probably cause few monitors and zero TVs use USB-C, and no HDMI dongles are reliable.

And when the 2016 MBP came out, I did take my own advice and just not buy it. I kept the 2014 one.
 
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For those “professional” people who complains about missing hdmi ports, you caveman never know what’s AirPlay for? If ur display equipment doesn’t have airplay, that’s pity pls upgrade it.
My Vizio TV "has" AirPlay, but it only works ⅓ of the time. AirPlay to an Apple TV is reliable if you wanna pay that money, but due to the latency, you can't use that as a general-purpose monitor, only a preso or movie screen.

None of the above is even for pro reasons. I just want to be able to plug a laptop into a TV, and I don't want to mess around with anything. Plug in HDMI, done. $2K laptop better be able to do that.
 
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Can we also talk about how the headphone 3.5mm port jack on the right side of current macbooks is the WRONG side?

Headphone cable should come out on the left so it doesn't complete with a mouse on the right hand side.
Eh, all your ports are gonna be filled with dongles anyway :)
You're right, though. On my 2014 MBP, the jack is probably on the left for a reason, as is the charging port.
 
I don't get Apple to change anything. That's up to their product managers. Probably cause few monitors and zero TVs use USB-C, and no HDMI dongles are reliable.
Yes but according to you its okay for you to force them to add an HDMI port otherwise its not "Pro" which I can never understand that line of thinking. Pro work does not dictate what ports need to be used. For example, I use DisplayPort and NOT HDMI because I only have one HDMI port and that is reserved for my consoles as they cannot output DisplayPort
 
My Vizio TV "has" AirPlay, but it only works ⅓ of the time. AirPlay to an Apple TV is reliable if you wanna pay that money, but due to the latency, you can't use that as a general-purpose monitor, only a preso or movie screen.

None of the above is even for pro reasons. I just want to be able to plug a laptop into a TV, and I don't want to mess around with anything. Plug in HDMI, done. $2K laptop better be able to do that.
$2K laptop should leave it up to the user what they want to do. I have ZERO need for HDMI and actually if an HDMI port is included, it will take away Display Output from one of the Thunderbolt ports. Thus leaving me unable to use DisplayPort. But GOOD NEWS! The $2K laptop you have now supports TWO HDMI. Just get a USB-C to HDMI cable. DONE. Where I have my two USB-C to DisplayPort. DONE.
 
$2K laptop should leave it up to the user what they want to do. I have ZERO need for HDMI and actually if an HDMI port is included, it will take away Display Output from one of the Thunderbolt ports. Thus leaving me unable to use DisplayPort. But GOOD NEWS! The $2K laptop you have now supports TWO HDMI. Just get a USB-C to HDMI cable. DONE. Where I have my two USB-C to DisplayPort. DONE.
No, HDMI dongles don't work reliably, otherwise I wouldn't care. And I'm not crazy or something if this many people want it.
 
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Yes but according to you its okay for you to force them to add an HDMI port otherwise its not "Pro" which I can never understand that line of thinking. Pro work does not dictate what ports need to be used. For example, I use DisplayPort and NOT HDMI because I only have one HDMI port and that is reserved for my consoles as they cannot output DisplayPort
I never said it's for "pro" users. If anything I said the opposite.
Relax, your DisplayPort outputs will still be there. I use them too at work.
 
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I never said it's for "pro" users. If anything I said the opposite.
Relax, your DisplayPort outputs will still be there. I use them too at work.
No, if one HDMI port exists, it will take away the number of display outputs the USB-C ports can support. Like my Mac Mini. I am FORCED to use the HDMI port for a second display instead of using both USB-C ports on it.
 
Pros run heavy things on remote machines sitting in racks.
No need to do that these days. Especially with the newly announced MB Pro's.

Sure, there are still use cases where they won't be enough, but those are really far out on the edge.

It's really nice to see Apple truly making pro level laptops again.
 
I didn't know the word "Pro" is only reserved to the most expensive of computers. People REALLY need to just STOP the complaints about the word Pro. Seriously, just stop. Is the Macbook Pro better than Macbook? Yes, that is all that is needed. Surface Pro exists - PRO is in the word there. Yet the performance is a complete joke, it can't do a lot of the professional tasks. Macbook Pro maxed out cannot have 4TB of RAM which some of my systems at work need. Therefore, NOTHING is EVER PRO.

If it doesn't meet my middle of the road pro needs then it simply isn't a pro product. Arbitrary definition? Sure, but I'm not the only one who held Apple's feet to the fire on this issue and it's paid off big time. Kudos to them for coming around.
 
No need to do that these days. Especially with the newly announced MB Pro's.

Sure, there are still use cases where they won't be enough, but those are really far out on the edge.

It's really nice to see Apple truly making pro level laptops again.
No, there's still a need. A single machine will never compete with a rendering farm or an ML cluster.
 
Pro is mearly a branding term used by apple to designate their higher end products. Touch some grass.

Either they fit a product niche or they don't. The 2016 revision of the MB Pro lineup was poorly differentiated from a marketing perspective and poorly received by many of the people it was supposedly aimed at.

In the business world this is referred to as a failure. It took Apple a bit too long to come around to admitting this, but they did eventually.
 
Can we also talk about how the headphone 3.5mm port jack on the right side of current macbooks is the WRONG side?

Headphone cable should come out on the left so it doesn't complete with a mouse on the right hand side.
It appears in the pics that you may be wrong. The headphone jack appears to be on the left side and not the right. I'm left-handed, so I feel like I'm being discriminated against.

Oh wait, I was born with a very creative tendency toward right-brainedness. So I'll sidestep the discrimination and just use my airpods. Or if I have to use wired headphones, I'll either use a pair with a longer cable and run it around the back or I'll plug in my UAD audio interface and place it on the right side of the laptop.
 
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