Oh I know there are issues. I just think like you say some manufacturers (and shipping companies!) are milking it for all they can.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
When to Expect the M1X MacBook Pros to Become Available to Order
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
I didn't know the word "Pro" is only reserved to the most expensive of computers. People REALLY need to just STOP the complaints about the word Pro. Seriously, just stop. Is the Macbook Pro better than Macbook? Yes, that is all that is needed. Surface Pro exists - PRO is in the word there. Yet the performance is a complete joke, it can't do a lot of the professional tasks. Macbook Pro maxed out cannot have 4TB of RAM which some of my systems at work need. Therefore, NOTHING is EVER PRO.
No joke, a couple of years ago I had to use a VGA adapter due to an old projector.
And as a "Pro" who has two Thunderbolt 3 RAIDs, a Thunderbolt SSDs and prefers to use a mouse, I never use HDMI. The port would be useless to me.
Is iPhone 13 Pro better than iPhone 13? Yes - extra camera lens and other enhancements. Therefore, the term Pro for marketing is appropriate.
And having it serve YOU does not serve ME. I do not use and need an HDMI port. So having it cater to YOU means it limits MY usage. How can we solve this? OH! USB-C which can be ANYTHING!
Easy. If it limits the ability to use two of the USB-C ports as display outs by FORCING one to use HDMI.
I guess get a different laptop then.
Edit: But seriously, the limiting factor for number of USB-C ports isn't space on the side of the laptop.
Last edited:
I'm with YOU. I hate everything about the new MacBook Pro, and I'm glad you do too! No, go ahead, own it! Admit that you hate EVERYTHING about it. The truth will set you free!I am totally relaxed, trust me and I am truly enjoying the reactions to my desire to not bring legacy ports back ... life is good
The ports, the screen, the keys, the notch, the lack of a spinning hard drive, it doesn't have a floppy drive, it doesn't have a built-in modem, it can't take punched-card input, I can't cook hot dogs on the back of it, I can't air out my underwear beneath it, the ugly silver color on it, the ugly black color on it, the ugly screen, anything I might display on the screen, the boot process, the shutdown process, the fact that you can put it on a table and gravity will keep it there, the fact that it has colors on the screen, the lack of seat belts, the lack of an airbag, the fact that it has Mac and Book in the name, the fact that it uses electricity from the wall, the fact that I can't grow rutabagas or arugula in it or on it, and worst of all, the fact that it's made by Apple.
Yeppers, I hate everything about the MacBook Pro, and that's why I'm planning to wait about 35 seconds to order mine. 😁
Pros run heavy things on remote machines sitting in racks.
There are still VGA projectors out there, but who can go into the office anymore? And even if you could, who could understand you through six feet of masks?
If they need me in the office, I'll just record my presentation first, then play it back while I sit there with my muzzle on. The question and answer period will be done tomorrow as a skype call, when I'm working from home and you can understand me as I talk.
But for today, you won't understand me through my mask and I haven't yet mastered American Sign Language.
If you use any number of music software or hardware products, you're living the dongle life already and always. Cubase, Nuendo, scads of VSTs; they all use the Steinberg Key or the Pace key. It is what it is, but generally, I'd rather have fewer dongles than more.
Really, "every precious cubic millimeter"?
Folks, it's official, we should all go outside and play for a little while. Whenever somebody says "every precious cubic millimeter" in any sentence, that's the sign that we need to go outside and play.
Another sign. Although I did get a kick out of this one. 🤪
Until the day the government finally stops enforcing vaccine and mask mandates or forever, whichever is longer.
You didn't mention anything about the troubles Mac users seem to have with skype, zoom, and microsoft teams. It's a significant number.
I'm sure Chris Lord Alge, Bob Clearmountain, Jan Hammer, and Alan Parsons aren't spending their time on forums complaining that their Mac does or doesn't have an SD slot.
And THAT is a pro. Somebody who's too busy to complain, because they're getting sh...stuff done!
Everybody does tons of market research. They're only right about 30% of the time. But you only need to be right 10% of the time to make money in this world.
This guy's got it right!
I use my HDMI port (but not from a Mac) to play YouTube videos on my big-screen TV. It does disconnect from time to time, which is annoying. But it's not a dongle, it's a port.
At work, I'd use the presentation mode typically available through the company's wireless environment. Every monitor in every conference room has a reference number that you enter on your laptop and then you have a wireless 2nd monitor on that big-screen.
But they still couldn't hear me talking through my 6 feet of masks, so why bother?
At home, I do still use HDMI for the flat-panel in the living room. Wireless would just create even more dizzying latency for audio. I already get vertigo watching Stevie Nick's lips moving but the thing she's singing doesn't come from the speakers until 1, 2, or 4 seconds later. Gives me the creeps!
Not always. Music audio is still best done on your local machine, and some VST libraries actually have safeguards built in to prevent you from installing said libraries onto any kind of shared storage.
Yes, one dongle that is prone to failure, incompatibility, slow speeds, lost image quality etc etc… that costs money. Why pay for something that works and looks worse when you can pay nothing and have it built in? It’s not like you’re sacrificing anything by having the ports there. You can still use your dongle if that works better for you.
So you think all those tech products and parts were out of stock the whole year because companies suddenly stopped wanting to make money? This isn’t even something like layoffs where the pandemic can be used as an excuse to benefit the company. Having no supply benefits no one except the scalpers.
Last edited:
Take your own advice. It’s okay for YOU to get Apple to change but not ME to keep it the way it is? What gives your needs more weight over mine or anybody else’s? USB-C is the solution for EVERYONE. The ports can be turned into anything. So it caters to everyone.
I don't really even need other ports than USB-C, but the argument against other ports is just ridiculous. The best arguments people have come up with are more passive speaker baffles? Or you want like 6 USB-C ports? There's plenty of space for different types of ports so people can avoid dongle hell.
What's wrong with dongles?
- one more thing to carry around
- most simply suck. Apple isn't making good hubs, ethernet adapters, hdmi adapters, etc, and the 3rd party quality is low as can be seen by simple amazon reviews. Hubs simply end up not being truly compatible, or don't have full bandwidth, or run into other issues
In the end it won't matter to me, but I just think the argument against more ports is so insanely weak it's ridiculous.
What's wrong with dongles?
- one more thing to carry around
- most simply suck. Apple isn't making good hubs, ethernet adapters, hdmi adapters, etc, and the 3rd party quality is low as can be seen by simple amazon reviews. Hubs simply end up not being truly compatible, or don't have full bandwidth, or run into other issues
In the end it won't matter to me, but I just think the argument against more ports is so insanely weak it's ridiculous.
I listed some definite drawbacks, and also still have my first gen "dongles" from the first TB3 Macs, and they all work fine. In fact, I've seen fewer of those go out among my clients and others, than Lenovo and Dell TB3 docking stations.
Maybe buy non garbage? I don't get how someone can drop $4k on a laptop, and then is absolutely mortified at the idea of $50-100 for a decent dongle that covers their needs. It's goofy.
The best argument is having an HDMI port limits the number of displays that the USBC ports support will lower.
I think what is meant by "legacy" ports is that they used to be on MBP and then were removed.
so yeah , built in means free yes? and extra holes does in fact sacrifice strength. and what happens if any of your built in legacy ports fail? expensive mother board replacement. if a dongle fails? cheap replacement.
but sure. fight a battle for legacy ports.
A long time still. Maybe 24 months? Dude, supply chains aren’t just a little behind, they are going through cataclysmic change.