iPhone 17 Pro Max Where are my dented or scuffed 17 pro/pro Max peeps at?

[teh_hunterer]

Is the phone in question operational or not?

Going to repeat, Is the phone in question operational or not?

Is the phone showing wear and tear quicker and easier than people who are used to more durable materials like stainless steel and titanium are comfortable with?

Going to repeat, Is the phone showing wear and tear quicker and easier than people who are used to more durable materials like stainless steel and titanium are comfortable with?

If 'No, it's not operational' I am interested in learning more about it. If the answer is 'yes, it is opersational' then you are just whining about cosmetics and I shrug my shoulders and think 'cut you're whining, it's nothing new.'

Ah but it is new, because Pro phones at Pro prices have been much more resistant to wear and tear until now.

Anyone that has paid attention knows that all iPhones with aluminum sides do exactly the same thing for all time. Caveat Emptor.

No. Anyone who buys only the Pro phones hasn't used an aluminium phone in years. They've also never done an aluminium unibody before, used to be glass for the back and camera bump.

As for what you think or dont think about the thermal characteristics of an aluminum unibody, again, you just have an opinion that isn't even worth a cup of coffee. You just don't know. You either buy into yet another conspiracy theory, or you trust Apple Engineers. Since you like to speak facts, even if you dont think they are relevant, it's a fact that aluminum has better thermal characteristics. Thats what we KNOW. Not think, KNOW

I KNOW that my iPhone Air runs cooler than my 14PM and 15PM ever did, despite being smaller and thinner and more powerful. The A19 Pro is absolutely fantastic. Hence I believe that a 17 Pro style Phone with the same construction and vapour chamber but with titanium side rails would be a great compromise.

I'm logical. I dont push conspiracy theories. big bad marketing.. lol. news flash. Apple is a for profit business. look up what that means.

It really never ceases to amaze me the sheer depth of pushback you can get on this site when you just use clear language to describe issues with Apple products.

 

[techspin]

I came to see photos of iPhone durability/wear and just see these two flirting smh. Take it to the DMs

 

[Xenomorph]

7 pages in and I'm still waiting to see some dented phones

 

[teh_hunterer]

I came to see photos of iPhone durability/wear and just see these two flirting smh. Take it to the DMs

You could find plenty of those pictures on Reddit if you wanted to. Let the adults talk 🤏

 

[G5isAlive]

Is the phone showing wear and tear quicker and easier than people who are used to more durable materials like stainless steel and titanium are comfortable with?

Going to repeat, Is the phone showing wear and tear quicker and easier than people who are used to more durable materials like stainless steel and titanium are comfortable with?



Ah but it is new, because Pro phones at Pro prices have been much more resistant to wear and tear until now.



No. Anyone who buys only the Pro phones hasn't used an aluminium phone in years. They've also never done an aluminium unibody before, used to be glass for the back and camera bump.



I KNOW that my iPhone Air runs cooler than my 14PM and 15PM ever did, despite being smaller and thinner and more powerful. The A19 Pro is absolutely fantastic. Hence I believe that a 17 Pro style Phone with the same construction and vapour chamber but with titanium side rails would be a great compromise.



It really never ceases to amaze me the sheer depth of pushback you can get on this site when you just use clear language to describe issues with Apple products.

So in other words you just care if your phone is pretty. Got it. Carry on.

 

[G5isAlive]

A lot of words for 'you're holding it wrong'.


Master class in blaming users. 'You should know all this already, if you 'paid attention'. If YOU paid attention you would know the 16 pro max is not for sale anymore from Apple.



So witty. The material is softer and less durable. You have no answer for that, so instead they are using it wrong. You could just take the L, since clearly Apple chose this path and made tradeoffs, but why do that when you could blame people for caring that their expensive tools look like crap.

Nope. I’m saying it’s a non issue. I buy for functionality. You buy for looks. You do you.

 

[teh_hunterer]

So in other words you just care if your phone is pretty. Got it. Carry on.

I prefer design that makes sensible tradeoffs, actually.

And most people prefer their iPhones to be reasonably resistant to wear and tear.

And where we really differ is I don't see the need to start telling people that their definition of 'durability' or 'damage' is wrong just to defend Apple. Or to claim that people who like their phone to look nice don't care about functionality. What I've seen in this thread is quite a few people reflexivly try to shut the OP up just because he's not happy with the extra susceptibility of these Pro phones to wear and tear.

There are also a bunch of good faith arguments I see here, like "the trade-off is worth it for thermal performance", or "I don't care because I use a case", or "it might make the glass less likely to shatter". I don't necessarily agree with them, but they're in good faith, unlike some.

 

[G5isAlive]

I prefer design that makes sensible tradeoffs, actually.

And most people prefer their iPhones to be reasonably resistant to wear and tear.

And where we really differ is I don't see the need to start telling people that their definition of 'durability' or 'damage' is wrong just to defend Apple. Or to claim that people who like their phone to look nice don't care about functionality. What I've seen in this thread is quite a few people reflexivly try to shut the OP up just because he's not happy with the extra susceptibility of these Pro phones to wear and tear.

There are also a bunch of good faith arguments I see here, like "the trade-off is worth it for thermal performance", or "I don't care because I use a case", or "it might make the glass less likely to shatter". I don't necessarily agree with them, but they're in good faith, unlike some.

no where we differ is people using words to overstate the situation. I am not trying to shut up anybody. I would say with the way you twist my words and use button pushing phrases that you are trying to shut me up. Shrugs. People are putting up good faith arguments on why the OP both overstated the situation, and is perhaps not be realistic. but you dont like it. oh well.

There are those that accept these are tools and accept compromise is a part of design. When a tool fails, thats a problem, when a tool get a scuff some seem to think its a problem, others dont. it is just that simple, a point you over and over fail to even acknowledge.

If you cant accept that as good faith... that's on you. Stop pointing the finger at me. Thanks.

 

[teh_hunterer]

There are those that accept these are tools and accept compromise is a part of design. When a tool fails, thats a problem, when a tool get a scuff some seem to think its a problem, others dont. it is just that simple, a point you over and over fail to even acknowledge..

No it is not "that simple", because Apple has just released Pro phones with a material that is quite different in resistance to wear and tear than the last 5+ years of titanium and stainless steel. The Pro iPhone is susceptible to wear and tear in a way that the general consumer of Pro iPhones isn't used to.

It is surprising people and opinions differ about whether the trade offs in the design were worth it. Is the loss of resistance to wear and tear worth the slight improvement in thermals compared to if they'd chucked titanium side rails on? It's more nuanced than "people who are cool enough not to care about scuffs vs those who aren't".

There are people with Pro 17s who are saying they don't mind a bit of wear and tear throughout the phone's life, but they're disappointed that their phone has already chipped straight after getting it and they don't even remember an incident that could have caused it. It's not the experience they expected.

 

[G5isAlive]

No it is not "that simple", because Apple has just released Pro phones with a material that is quite different in resistance to wear and tear than the last 5+ years of titanium and stainless steel. The Pro iPhone is susceptible to wear and tear in a way that the general consumer of Pro iPhones isn't used to.

It is surprising people and opinions differ about whether the trade offs in the design were worth it. Is the loss of resistance to wear and tear worth the slight improvement in thermals compared to if they'd chucked titanium side rails on? It's more nuanced than "people who are cool enough not to care about scuffs vs those who aren't".

There are people with Pro 17s who are saying they don't mind a bit of wear and tear throughout the phone's life, but they're disappointed that their phone has already chipped straight after getting it and they don't even remember an incident that could have caused it. It's not the experience they expected.

you are repeating yourself. but so am i. aluminum scuffing just isn't a new thing sorry. honestly if it's not the experience they expected its because they haven't been reading, because this was predicted when it was first announced. and discussed. ad nauseam. But NOW they are reading? And to point out the obvious, expecting it or not, here it is. And it's in the return window. So whatcha going to do? Because you do have options. Complaining seems to be the least productive, cause it aint going to change. But you do you.

Oh, and let's not forget, the OP dropped his phone on concrete. Without a case. and this is not a factor in your discussion?

and again you keep making value judgments on what Al is contributing in terms of thermal performance but you have ZERO data to support them. you just do not know. last year people were complaining about the thermal characteristics of the iPhone Pro Max... this year people are complaining about scuffing. just cant please some people.

btw. why do you keep making this personal.... I never ever used the word 'cool' to describe people that use phones as tools, you are projecting.

 

[thistleknife]

G5isAlive has lost this discussion. teh_hunterer routinely accepts that the change and material may have been done for great reasons—but that doesn't change that aluminum dents and deforms and scratches easily.

Meanwhile, G5isAlive insists any concern along these lines is 'I buy for functionality. You buy for looks.' Frankly they are rude and judgmental—as soon as they are getting beaten on talking points, they pivot to 'return your phone, you do you, can't please people'.

Problem is, this is a site where we discuss Apple technology. If G5 doesn't have it in them to actually engage with the tradeoffs, maybe they don't have the chops to participate in conversations about technology.

As they've said many times, they don't care about 'looks' or 'aesthetics'—they should maybe stop. The rest of us can talk about it.​

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[teh_hunterer]

you are repeating yourself. but so am i.

I am going to try to make my next points in a way that this discussion can end.

aluminum scuffing just isn't a new thing sorry. honestly if it's not the experience they expected its because they haven't been reading, because this was predicted when it was first announced. and discussed. ad nauseam. But NOW they are reading? And to point out the obvious, expecting it or not, here it is. And it's in the return window. So whatcha going to do? Because you do have options. Complaining seems to be the least productive, cause it aint going to change. But you do you.

I think it's reasonable that someone who owned the last 5 years of pro phones would be surprised to see their new one being so susceptible to scuffs. I'm not sure how widespread it is, but I've seen a fair bit about people who don't have any idea how their phone has already chipped. I also don't think Apple has done side rails as soft as these ones, nor corners as sharp as on the newly aluminium camera bump.

I'm also wondering how some of these incidental scuffs would impact being able to return the phone.

Oh, and let's not forget, the OP dropped his phone on concrete. Without a case. and this is not a factor in your discussion?

Well OP is saying their previous phones didn't get damaged this badly from similar drops, but yes it is hard to conclude anything from that because every drop is different so you can't really compare one to another conclusively. There is a lot of luck involved in phone drops.

and again you keep making value judgments on what Al is contributing in terms of thermal performance but you have ZERO data to support them. you just do not know.

Why would I need data when I have my own experience with these phones? We are sharing opinions are we not? My iPhone Air, a small, thermally constrained phone made of glass and titanium is the coolest running phone I've had since the 13PM. I've had a 14PM and 15PM and they both had worse thermal performance than the Air.

This tells me there is probably some thermal headroom for titanium side rails on a future iPhone Pro. Especially when the iPhone Pro now has more aluminium in the body instead of glass, and a vapour chamber.

btw. why do you keep making this personal.... I never ever used the word 'cool' to describe people that use phones as tools, you are projecting.

Because it seems to me that instead of engaging with the content of what I said, you were dismissing it out of hand with reasons like "you only care the phone is pretty" or "you have no data". May as well not respond at all.

 

[johnsawyercjs]

7 pages in and I'm still waiting to see some dented phones

Look at the photo in the OP's first post

 

[dukebound85]

came to see damaged phones. After 7 pages of comments, only the OP has provided photos....