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Where did Rominator go?!!?

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Blue Velvet said:
You are, like everyone else here, subject to the forum rules. A five day timeout possibly implies that there might be more of a back story to this. Also, like everyone else, you are entitled to have that timeout decision escalated and reviewed by the admins. All moderator actions are reviewable by the team.

There is nothing to be gained from publicly complaining about it. Trust me on this.
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Woah, no need to get all uppity.

I am in no way complaining. I discussed the ban with Doctor Q, apologized and took my time in stride. The only reason I posted this was because jessica said you can't get a ban for calling someone an idiot and I just wanted to say she was incorrect because I did.

I have moved on and harbor no ill feelings to the mod/admins. I was explained the rule I broke, they had proof and I was given a time out. I can accept that. What I can't accept is someone saying something that is untrue when I have proof and then continues to argue semantics.
 
advres said:
I am in no way complaining.
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I got this impression, as well. Seems these mods (or ex-mods) are very sensitive about this even if you just mention your bans in passing, even as it pertains to be on-topic in a thread like this. It's like they don't like to be questioned, even if their actions are a little iffy.
 
I was in time-out twice for calling someone an idiot, who, as it turns out, eventually got permanently banned.

Anyway, it seems as if there has been a definite increase in people being timed-out and/or banned. It's understandable, since there are plenty of subforums here on MR that tend to become hostile. I wouldn't consider the Mac Pro forum to be one of them though.
 
advres said:
Woah, no need to get all uppity.

I am in no way complaining. I discussed the ban with Doctor Q, apologized and took my time in stride. The only reason I posted this was because jessica said you can't get a ban for calling someone an idiot and I just wanted to say she was incorrect because I did.

I have moved on and harbor no ill feelings to the mod/admins. I was explained the rule I broke, they had proof and I was given a time out. I can accept that. What I can't accept is someone saying something that is untrue when I have proof and then continues to argue semantics.
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You didn't get banned. Bans last forever. You were tossed in a corner, as I've been, for doing something stupid. You likely did a few stupid things that added up to a time out. Call it whatever you want for dramatic effect, but if you were banned you'd know it. This is not a matter of untruth or semantics. If you are banned, or were banned, you wouldn't be posting on this site arguing you stance today. Insinuating that I'm a liar so you can prove you less than note-worthy time out is inane. All you're doing is calling attention to your general lack of comprehension between a ban and a time out.

This is a g-rated site (IMHO), you want more get your ass to gizmodo, engadget, or boygeniusreport.
 
Sigh. Can this thread get back on topic about The Rominator, and not about smug, non-contributing members like jessica.?

I really need to update the graphics card on my 2008 Mac Pro!
 
politics, ego, and all else aside...

The Rominator's contribution to the Mac Pro forum cannot be overstated. I would like to see him back.
 
All I can say,

is I only just recently found MacRumors (sure I'd heard of it, but never bothered to look at it) because of the work of Rominator, Cindori and Netkas which kept popping up in Google searches I was doing. Rom's work represented the best of what a community like this is about and it was clear he put a lot of heart into helping people. I have no knowledge of what transpired, but unless it was extreme I am wondering whether this is a community I want to be part of, where it seems the monitors and ex-monitors act like petty bureaucrats who prize their power but don't see the big picture. Again, maybe there was something I don't know about, but in the last week I've read just about every one of Rom's posts and i didn't find anything offensive. Sure we all get a little cranky now and then, especially when we're working for free to help others but they refuse to help themselves.

Just my newbie 2 cents.
 
To anyone who finds out where Rominator eventually makes his new home, please keep the rest of us abreast. I know lots of us would follow.

Thanks in advance.
 
syrinxfilms said:
I have no knowledge of what transpired, but unless it was extreme I am wondering whether this is a community I want to be part of, where it seems the monitors and ex-monitors act like petty bureaucrats who prize their power but don't see the big picture. Again, maybe there was something I don't know about, but in the last week I've read just about every one of Rom's posts and i didn't find anything offensive.
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This forum has rules. Rules that you agree to abide by when you sign up. They're clearly signposted. Break those rules and you're likely to be punished. This is clearly what happened. However, by far the large majority of people who get a timeout, take it in their stride, often with good grace and return. In this case, the forum member in question has decided not to return. This is their decision, not anyone else's, and is perhaps indicative of how they see the community.

The moderators and admins see more of the 'big picture' of what this forum is about than anyone else. They spend their time here working, unpaid, to make this place what it is and at any given time are discussing site matters that are invisible to virtually everyone else.

As jessica said, there have been plenty of other forum members through the years, far bigger characters, far more helpful forum members, that have slipped up over time and have made trouble for themselves and others, leading to an eventual timeout and banning.

Just because people can't see what transpired, doesn't mean that the records aren't still accessible. There is a privacy policy here, which means that discussing the details of timeouts, bans etc. are solely between forum member and staff which might go some way in explaining why none of the moderators have posted in this thread, especially as arn has made the site's position clear. One day, some people who have been posting in this thread may perhaps trip up themselves, and they'll be thankful that the details of what happened aren't spilled out all over the forum for all to see.

Timeouts and bans are discussed amongst the team. They're often a collective decision, particularly in the case of bans, which can take many days or weeks to review. Timeouts and bans can happen for all sorts of incidents that are unseen to the larger forum membership, for instance, persistent harassment using the private messaging system.

All of this isn't a matter of being sensitive or iffy, it's the way things work around here and have done so for many years... arn has said that Rominator is welcome back. There's really little more to discuss. Those of you who miss his contributions shouldn't be directing their attention to the site's staff at this point, because whether he returns or not, it's not up to them.
 
Rominator sees the 5870 and 5770 as reasonably priced and doesn't really see the need for flashing anymore. And he's right. Once the upgrade kits come out, we won't really see much flashing on this forum.

However, if it turns out that the cards do not work on the 2008 and earlier mac pros, I suspect he will return.
 
DylanLikesPorn said:
Sigh. Can this thread get back on topic about The Rominator, and not about smug, non-contributing members like jessica.?

I really need to update the graphics card on my 2008 Mac Pro!
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Do you have difficulty with reading comprehension? The thread title is Where did Rominator go?, not DylanLikesPorn needs help with his graphics card. :rolleyes:
 
Hmm.... then it looks like i need to reopen my own forum and do all things there, and not here.
 
netkas said:
Hmm.... then it looks like i need to reopen my own forum and do all things there, and not here.
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Shame. I get the impression that at least here you can avoid a lot of the "WHERE'S MY 64 BIT VERSION" and "FIX IT IT DOESN'T WORK, I JUST SPENT $500 BECAUSE OF YOU AND IT DOESN'T WORK" posts that are rampant in your comments section!
 
partybymarty said:
Do you honestly think that after all the time/energy Rom's put into this forum that he would ask his account to be closed??? We get busy in our everyday lives all the time and put things down temporarily. It doesn't mean we ask for accounts to be closed.

Do you think that there may be a slight possibility that the admin/moderator may have anticipated there to be some uproar over one of our great members being "banned" (and instead politely made him a "guest")? It's not really that complicated. If I were an admin and faced with a tough decision, I may just do the same, rather than completely banning a popular member who's also a driving force in the forums.
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Well we could all go off of your conspiracy theory or you could just believe that he did indeed ask for his account to be closed. arn has already stated as such. Unfortunately short of you getting in contact with Rominator or him asking for his account to be reinstated and him subsequently telling you this, there's not much else we could do to convince you.

advres said:
It was a temporary ban. Some people here sugar coat it calling it a 'timeout' but being unable to log in to your account for any period of time is a banning of your privileges. I got a 5 day ban for calling someone an idiot.
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I suppose if you want to play semantics you may. However in the vernacular of MacRumors people automatically come back from time-outs after a preset number of days. People rarely come back from bans. jessica.'s posts have been completely correct.

DylanLikesPorn said:
I got this impression, as well. Seems these mods (or ex-mods) are very sensitive about this even if you just mention your bans in passing, even as it pertains to be on-topic in a thread like this. It's like they don't like to be questioned, even if their actions are a little iffy.
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We actually don't mind being questioned. It makes us better at our jobs. However there are venues to do that. Generally a disciplinary action on the forums has little interest to the community at large so we prefer to deal with them via direct communication. As Blue Velvet has stated, we also have a general policy of not disclosing disciplinary reasons to anyone but the offender. Hence if people start arguing their disciplinary action publicly, it is of little good to the community at large because they will only hear that side. Moderators and admins make mistakes from time to time and we correct them if contacted via PM or using the Contact Us form. None of us are perfect and we'll admit when we're wrong.

syrinxfilms said:
I have no knowledge of what transpired, but unless it was extreme I am wondering whether this is a community I want to be part of, where it seems the monitors and ex-monitors act like petty bureaucrats who prize their power but don't see the big picture. Again, maybe there was something I don't know about, but in the last week I've read just about every one of Rom's posts and i didn't find anything offensive.
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We do see the big picture. But (and this doesn't pertain to Rominator personally as I didn't even know who he was until this thread popped up) regardless of a users contributions the forum rules still need to be abided by. Looking through a users post history won't be a good way to find out what cause a time-out or ban because those posts violate forum rules and we remove them.

300D said:
Incorrect. He wasn't banned, he was deleted.
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Incorrect. He asked that his forum account be closed. As arn has already stated he is welcome back any time he wishes.
 
300D said:
False. closed=deleted.
I know how vBulletin works, I run several forums myself.
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The policy here is that accounts are not deleted. They're placed into guest status, following a request from the forum member, and can be reactivated at any time.
 
SilentPanda said:
Interesting... if it's deleted then why does it still exist?
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It doesn't. The account information is gone, the header information is still present to preserve post continuity.

I'm not going to argue this point with you anymore.
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Thats fine. People frequently run away when they can't hold their ground. Thats nothing to be embarrassed about.
 
Fast Shadow said:
And so arrives the aforementioned non-contributing (except for vitriol and smugness) peanut gallery.
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I believe this to be directed to me as it follows my posts most often. As passive as this statement is I implore you to read back, this time try not to skip the parts where I agree that the face of the site is a bit too g-rated, and consider how you present yourself to be highly incapable of contributing to this thread. I have yet to see you offer any contributing post that either supports your belief that Rominator left on principle or that you think he's just being a giant child about this and should return.

So he called a dude an idiot. I'm sure the guy deserved it. It sucks that we can't call be idiots, I think this thread would be riddled with that g-rated insult, but it's life. If you don't like the rules of a site then you too need to take your toys and go. Rominator clearly felt this was not the site he wished to contribute to and the community as a whole will have to survive. His contribution to the MacPro forum is valuable but there will be another place that he lands and hopefully we'll all get what we hope to get from him again. He will be replaced by another one day right here at MR and people who did not find Rominator or did not care to find him will adapt to the new guy/girl.

This is called life, contributing enough for you?


DylanLikesPorn said:
Sigh. Can this thread get back on topic about The Rominator, and not about smug, non-contributing members like jessica.?

I really need to update the graphics card on my 2008 Mac Pro!
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The fact of the matter is your comments are non-contributing whereas mine simply fail to give weight to this whole topic at hand. I understand it is difficult for you and Fast Shadow to understand that what I am saying is that far bigger players have been banned, a time out is not a ban because a ban is permanent and a time out is temporary (by definition of the rules of this site), and I have found great value in Rominator's posts but he clearly got his hand slapped and has now opted to take his toys and go elsewhere. This is what happens when people feel they need to act on principle, I get it because I feel the same way. Notwithstanding, I've had my hand slapped a few times and you and your buddy Fast Shadow like to gloss over the fact that I am actually agreeing with fact that this site is a bit too g-rated for it's own good, instead you need a scapegoat, a person who you can passively bash (Fast Shadow you're a bit more passive than DylanLikesPorn) to feel good about yourself. I also seem to understand that but it doesn't mean I'm going to sit back and refrain from calling your foul.

If you were able to contribute to this community half as much as I have and do then perhaps you would be on the same page as me. Instead we're in two different books, one is for whiners who just don't care to see the bigger picture and the other is for people who want to apply a bit more logic to this and who have witnessed far bigger, better, and more contributing members go away by way of permanent bans or voluntary account closures.
300D said:
Incorrect. He wasn't banned, he was deleted.
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No, deleted would entail a complete wipe of his posts, no? And I ask really because I would believe a deletion of an account would wipe posts. Since you're clearly a contributing expert I am again asking. I reiterate that I am asking as it appears people don't really seem to understand the difference between asking and combatting. :cool:
 
OK... I guess Jessica runs her own forum and knows everything. Look here. I am an admin for a pretty large site. I don't care what you think the definition of a ban or timeout is. The language built into vBulletin has a ban as any length of time. Fact that you guys are sugar coating a ban as a timeout is ludicrous.

Look, like I said I don't care about my timeout, but calling it anything other than what it was is your doing not mine.

Here, right from vBulletin!
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Lets say vBulletins idea of banning isn't right. So lets go to the dictionary:
ban 1 |ban|
verb ( banned , banning ) [ trans. ] (often be banned)
officially or legally prohibit : he was banned from driving for a year | a proposal to ban all trade in ivory. See note at prohibit .
• officially exclude (someone) from a place : he once was banned from a casino in Reno.
noun
1 an official or legal prohibition : a proposed ban on cigarette advertising | a three-year driving ban.
• an official exclusion of a person from an organization, country, or activity : a ban on homosexuals in the armed forces.
• archaic a curse.
2 a tacit prohibition by public opinion : Barenboim proposed to defy an unwritten ban on Wagner's works.
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But like I said, continue arguing semantics. It's the easiest way for me to know who to avoid conversing with in the future.
 
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