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I think the mod behaved appropriately and consistently in this case, based on our longstanding rules. But can see how it may seem overkill, so we'll see about revising the rules.

arn
How is a time out for insulting someone overkill? If the rule has been in place for a few years now and it seems to be working well why change it now?
 
Seeing as there's a lot of speculation on the topic, I'll take a different approach than I normally do and just spell out what happened so there's no further speculation.

1) Rominator got timeout'd/temp banned for breaking the personal insult rule
2) He complained about it and asked to close his account permanently
3) I reversed the timeout immediately, asked him not to insult people again
4) He still wanted his account closed
5) I closed his account, and said he could come back if he wanted to

As others have pointed out, there is only one ban/timeout screen. So, perhaps he read the wrong section and took it personally.

I think the mod behaved appropriately and consistently in this case, based on our longstanding rules. But can see how it may seem overkill, so we'll see about revising the rules.

arn

Nice one arn. Thanks for clearing that up ... the conspiracy theory can be laid to rest but now what about DylanLikesPorn? I think his 2008 MacPro GPU needs attention and this is serious business.
 
Nice one arn. Thanks for clearing that up ... the conspiracy theory can be laid to rest but now what about DylanLikesPorn? I think his 2008 MacPro GPU needs attention and this is serious business.

There is no 'conspiracy theory'. You've added this word in your replies thus making up a bunch of nonsense. To anyone who actually reads this thread and knows The Rominator's contribution, your dismissive attitude isn't welcome. Please educate yourself before adding any further non-contributing comments.
 
There is no 'conspiracy theory'. You've added this word in your replies thus making up a bunch of nonsense. To anyone who actually reads this thread and knows The Rominator's contribution, your dismissive attitude isn't welcome. Please educate yourself before adding any further non-contributing comments.

Reading comprehension FTW again! If you refer back to earlier posts I commended Rominator's contribution. Maybe not in the bromance way you wanted me to, but I wrote that he was a contributing member of the MP forums. I'd quote myself but I'm afraid your head may explode.

It was your drones who brought up the conspiracy, I only made a smart ass remark about it in one post, that is singular, post not posts or replies. I will help educate you while I'm off educating myself. ;)

Now, we really need to get your MP fixed because it would seem in a world with millions of people Rominator is the only one capable of assisting you. Where do we begin?
 
Seeing as there's a lot of speculation on the topic, I'll take a different approach than I normally do and just spell out what happened so there's no further speculation.

1) Rominator got timeout'd/temp banned for breaking the personal insult rule
2) He complained about it and asked to close his account permanently
3) I reversed the timeout immediately, asked him not to insult people again
4) He still wanted his account closed
5) I closed his account, and said he could come back if he wanted to

As others have pointed out, there is only one ban/timeout screen. So, perhaps he read the wrong section and took it personally.

I think the mod behaved appropriately and consistently in this case, based on our longstanding rules. But can see how it may seem overkill, so we'll see about revising the rules.

arn

Thanks for clearing that up Arn! Now since this thread serves no further purpose other than arguing about what a ban and and trolling each other over how valuable this guy is, can it be wastelanded now?
 
Now, we really need to get your MP fixed because it would seem in a world with millions of people Rominator is the only one capable of assisting you. Where do we begin?
heh, he could always go to the geek squad.
 
How is a time out for insulting someone overkill? If the rule has been in place for a few years now and it seems to be working well why change it now?
This question is worth answering, but I will answer it in general, not specifically about this case.

There are many factors that go into determining how rule-breaking should be handled, case by case: What rule was broken? How seriously? (Insults we've dealt with range from calling somebody a fanboy to using racial slurs.) Was it intentional or careless? Is this a first offense by someone who has not had previous problems with the rules or yet another rule broken by somebody who regularly disregards the rules? Did it produce a flamewar, derail a news thread, or merely inconvenience or annoy other users?

The bottom line is this question: How can the moderators best ensure that the user will not make trouble for other users in the future? The moderators work as a team to balance all of these questions and they follow guidelines for what to do when (guidelines that we are constantly fine-tuning). But it's the nature of the task that we have to rely on human judgment and interpretation, not hard-and-fast formulas.

The result is that we can't say that a certain type of warning (a post edited with a note, a post by the moderator, a private message, an "infraction", a short time-out, or a long time-out) is always appropriate for a certain type of rule-breaking.

About the "banned" message

We used to have a short "you are banned" screen that applied to both permanent and temporary bans, which many users didn't understand. We changed our terminology to say "timed-out" for a temporary suspension, and changed the message to a long explanation that some users don't bother to read carefully. Perhaps that's not surprising since their initial reaction to a time-out or ban is probably strongly negative; not the time to read the fine print.

The message invites them to contact us if they think the action was inappropriate, and we follow-up when they do.

We'll adjust the message again.
 
To be honest, I gloss over your posts.

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It's a shame such a helpful member was also one for acting childishly. I understand this was also the fate of Tallest Skil.
 
Was he all that helpful with his bad advice?

Actually, he was more knowledgeable than The Rominator. Tallest Skil just had a strong and short temper. So it was a ntural for him to get into trouble easily.

Likewise, I also know there was one moderator that tried to help him out with his TO's and his behavoir, as in making him watch it. While there was another moderator how plain out hated the guy, as in I want to see you slip to TO you enough to ban you permanently.
 
Actually, he was more knowledgeable than The Rominator. Tallest Skil just had a strong and short temper. So it was a ntural for him to get into trouble easily.

Likewise, I also know there was one moderator that tried to help him out with his TO's and his behavoir, as in making him watch it. While there was another moderator how plain out hated the guy, as in I want to see you slip to TO you enough to ban you permanently.
Are you kidding, he gave out horrible advice about what and when to buy. He sounded like he always had inside information but he was always wrong and people bought off of his bad recommendations.
 
Are you kidding, he gave out horrible advice about what and when to buy. He sounded like he always had inside information but he was always wrong and people bought off of his bad recommendations.

I never said buying advice. I did say for hardware problems and otherwise regular problem solving stuff.

I admit his advice on buying stuff was never perfect. However, when buying, it's a crapshot as we all buy what we want; even though sometimes we are told x thing is not worth it.
 
To be honest, I gloss over your posts.

I pretty much knew what I’d find, but I just looked over your last 75 posts. I don’t see one post where you helped anyone with anything. Try looking over jessica.’s posts and saying the same thing. Since you seem to think the subject of this thread was so special, since he helped people, why not try to be like him, other than your general rude self?

Back on topic: The Rominator wasn’t banned; he got a time out. He quit the site, because he felt wronged about getting this time out. Perhaps he’s right to feel irritated (I was irritated during my last TO), but if he thinks he’s sending a message to anyone by quitting, he’s mistaken. However, that’s his choice. Life goes on.

Who cares what other sites call a ban. On MR a ban means you’re banned, ended, finished, gone. A time out means you get to sit in the corner and think about what you’ve done for a number of days and hopefully not do it again. Some people call that a ban on this site, but it’s not. It’s that simple.
 
Are you kidding, he gave out horrible advice about what and when to buy. He sounded like he always had inside information but he was always wrong and people bought off of his bad recommendations.

^^^^This.

We might have known better than to believe what TS had to say, but many of the noobs that weren't aware of his behavior probably took his speculation as fact because of how he posted. Not cool. Good riddance.



BTW, good detective work -aggie-.:cool::p
 
I can understand why the Rominator could have got irritated enough to call someone an idiot - the posts he (and netkas and Cindori) had to put up with from people demanding rom modifications, fixes to their problems etc as if they'd paid him would have got anyone's goat up.

It goes well beyond calling someone an idiot or being banned temporarily...

At the heart of the dispute is this post:
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/10791571/

Apparently, this mistaken and annoyingly unrelenting member was putting words in Rom's mouth that were never uttered to begin with. This precipitated an unfriendly exchange. Despite Rom's attempts to explain the matter, the moderator in question rather obtusely and unjustly banned him [temporarily] over the trivial matter of calling the offending member an idiot. They may claim to enforce 'the rules', but they are far from just.

Unfortunately, we'll never get to the truth of the matter because the mods have arbitrarily "tidied" up the thread, deleting some posts while leaving others in no logical fashion--a testament to their true genius & wisdom.
 
I pretty much knew what I’d find, but I just looked over your last 75 posts. I don’t see one post where you helped anyone with anything. Try looking over jessica.’s posts and saying the same thing. Since you seem to think the subject of this thread was so special, since he helped people, why not try to be like him, other than your general rude self?

Back on topic: The Rominator wasn’t banned; he got a time out. He quit the site, because he felt wronged about getting this time out. Perhaps he’s right to feel irritated (I was irritated during my last TO), but if he thinks he’s sending a message to anyone by quitting, he’s mistaken. However, that’s his choice. Life goes on.

Who cares what other sites call a ban. On MR a ban means you’re banned, ended, finished, gone. A time out means you get to sit in the corner and think about what you’ve done for a number of days and hopefully not do it again. Some people call that a ban on this site, but it’s not. It’s that simple.

Your logic is sound and I have to agree 100%. My last TO actually helped me dedicate some time on my personal project.

Sure I was irritated, but I don't find it uncalled for, I understand I did something.
 
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I personally don' think the rules for insults need revisions. I think they are working fine.
 
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