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Where is Apple's Next-Generation CarPlay?

I think this is terribly misguided just like project Titan. Clearly they don’t have the chops, after all they couldn’t make a car for 10 billion dollars. Whether that’s a lack technical and engineering prowess (which I very much doubt) or just the lack of someone in the company with a spine willing to make decisions (highly likely) is for you to decide.
 
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Iconoclysm said:
Fixed that for you...also, they wouldn't have allowed it before for the same reason. And it was a huge success, so yeah, it's happening.
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Any specific examples of this happening? People keep brining up subscriptions but the only automakers that are egregious with them are BMW and Tesla.

Which, I mean, of course it would be those two.
 
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ifxf said:
I can just see Apple requiring me to reenter the apple id password while I am driving. Had a similar thing happen when I went to use their podcast app this week. Wouldn’t work because their privacy terms changed. Wanted me to stop driving and confirm the new terms. Did what most drivers probably do, while driving I opened the app on my iphone and confirmed.
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The device doesn't work that way, and it will disable that kind of function while you're driving and simply say to try again when you have parked.
 
ProbablyDylan said:
Any specific examples of this happening? People keep brining up subscriptions but the only automakers that are egregious with them are BMW and Tesla.

Which, I mean, of course it would be those two.
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GM is really the one, they projected some $10-20 billion in revenue from subscriptions at a shareholder's meeting. And announced the lack of CarPlay and AA within days of that. They want every app to be paid through them, like the Apple App Store. Rivian has a similar approach but more about being like Tesla than being like GM. BMW is a whole different beast. It's a dumb move, I wouldn't have bought a car without CarPlay in 2015 - it sure isn't happening in 2024.

People truly want these features, they don't want their car to be like their PC, it's an accessory not a primary device. I mean, it's pretty much a dock for your phone whenever you're looking for media even without CarPlay. Then there's the whole taking everything with you, no matter what the car or the place, including your connectivity.
 
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tim_apple said:
Why would any car maker willingly handover so much of the look and feel of their cars to Apple? I can’t believe Apple even announced this. Very misguided. I guess they just didn’t want project Titan to be a complete waste.
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Yeah I agree with you on this.. gauge clusters, hvac controls, buttons in the UI.. ETC.. I think auto manufactures realized how big of an impact CarPlay as we know it had; and any more influence might be to much. I doubt it has anything to do with apple not being ready to release it; I think it's more finding partners that will allow it.
 
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ProbablyDylan said:
Any specific examples of this happening? People keep brining up subscriptions but the only automakers that are egregious with them are BMW and Tesla.

Which, I mean, of course it would be those two.
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Pretty sure almost all have subscriptions for various services now. My Mercedes has an annual plan that doesn’t even include data like Tesla’s. Rivian’s got their new Connect+ for app access. Of course there’s GM and OnStar and replacing CarPlay/AA with their own app ecosystem.
 
magicschoolbus said:
Yeah I agree with you on this.. gauge clusters, hvac controls, buttons in the UI.. ETC.. I think auto manufactures realized how big of an impact CarPlay as we know it had; and any more influence might be to much. I doubt it has anything to do with apple not being ready to release it; I think it's more finding partners that will allow it.
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100% I think this is truth or close to it
mnsportsgeek said:
It’s dead. Writing has been on the wall for a while. OEMs don’t want to give Apple full control of the car.
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the delays certainly suggest more automakers are getting cold feet. Taking a page from Apple’s playbook they should make/own the whole widget - being reliant on Apple to prioritize embedded car systems is terribly misguided. Apple won’t give it the time of day if it’s not materially contributing to shareholder value. Just look at how they treat iPhones vs everything else and the abysmal track record for bug fixes and enhancements not tied to milestone OS releases.
 
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Iconoclysm said:
The device doesn't work that way, and it will disable that kind of function while you're driving and simply say to try again when you have parked.
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Well I confirmed on the iphone while driving and got my podcast. Maybe because I have driving focus disabled.
 
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Chungry said:
I think this is terribly misguided just like project Titan. Clearly they don’t have the chops, after all they couldn’t make a car for 10 billion dollars. Whether that’s a lack technical and engineering prowess (which I very much doubt) or just the lack of someone in the company with a spine willing to make decisions (highly likely) is for you to decide.
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Apple certainly could.

Until the US government recently increased the tariff on imported electric cars starting in 2024, including those manufactured overseas for American companies (such as Apple), from 25% to 100%. That immediately made an Apple EV impractical from a business perspective and case.
 
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citysnaps said:
Apple certainly could.

Until the US government recently increased the tariff on imported electric cars starting in 2024, including those manufactured overseas for American companies (such as Apple), from 25% to 100%. That immediately made an Apple EV impractical from a business perspective.
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Sure that’s a factor too! Well, that and not being able to get off the blank page on how the car should be.

What concerns me the most is Apple doesn’t have a provable track record for infotainment systems. In fact, they often start something but don’t finish. So if I were designing a car infotainment ststem, aside from bog standard CarPlay and AA I’d be asking if Apple is gonna be in it for the long haul.
 
icwhatudidthere said:
I don’t really see the advantage in this? What does the user gain by basically replacing the skin in built-in functions?
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Feel like that’s obvious. You replace it with a more familiar, pleasant, and consistent UX. This would be a dream for me.

But I’d be surprised as others said if many carmakers go for this level of integration. Basically replaces their look and feel completely.
 
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No way. Apple needs their own car. Carplay will be a total failure in the long term
 
CrysisDeu said:
No way. Apple needs their own car. Carplay will be a total failure in the long term
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I mean, they tried and failed in spectacular fashion. No way are shareholders gonna let that happen ever again. The Apple care will never ever happen and I guess that’s for the best given how the project was mismanaged
 
Chungry said:
Sure that’s a factor too! Well, that and not being able to get off the blank page on how the car should be.

What concerns me the most is Apple doesn’t have a provable track record for infotainment systems. In fact, they often start something but don’t finish. So if I were designing a car infotainment ststem, aside from bog standard CarPlay and AA I’d be asking if Apple is gonna be in it for the long haul.
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Not just *a* factor. It made the whole Apple car project a non-starter. Instantly.

Regarding CarPlay... I've used it for a couple years. It's superb and have yet come across any aspect that was annoying or frustrating. It just works and is smooth as silk. Clearly Apple put a ton of time and $$$ into making it that way. That's what Apple is good at.

Car manufacturers will keep *trying* to develop their own to lock customers into a yearly subscription. I've yet to use, see, or hear about any that are as polished and friction-free as Apple Car Play.
 
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citysnaps said:
Not just *a* factor. It made the whole Apple car project a non-starter. Instantly.

Regarding CarPlay... I've used it for a couple years. It's superb and have yet come across any aspect that was annoying or frustrating. It just works and is smooth as silk. Clearly Apple put a ton of time and $$$ into making it that way. That's what Apple is good at.

Car manufacturers will keep *trying* to develop their own to lock customers into a yearly subscription. I've yet to use, see, or hear about any that are as polished and friction-free as Apple Car Play.
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That’s a great point. I like CarPlay so much I got an aftermarket touch screen for my car that uses wireless CarPlay. I think they should stay the course and not veer out of that lane.
 
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