Where is Apple's Next-Generation CarPlay?

[jz0309]

What features does GM charge for? I couldn't find anything with Google. Funny enough, I found a reddit thread where Toyota charges for the ability to remote start via their app.

Onstar, and there are multiple offerings, eg, if I wanted to remotely pre-condition my Bolt EUV, I need a subscription and there are many more…
And they want to offer even more with their new EVs where they disable CarPlay and Android auto, so can’t use navigation thru your phone on the screen…

 

[Kylo83]

They didn’t even bother to change much to the normal CarPlay with iOS 18 shocking

 

[HiVolt]

More and more automakers are integrating Android Automotive with all the Google services.

I'm sure Google offered more favorable terms as well as the data mining the automakers desire that Apple probably would not agree to.

 

[Supercyborgninja]

Truth is after that Firefox report on how much data car companies take on top of selling cars that cost 5 digits...

..any sane person would demand that cars use ONLY Carplay. Android fans included. You spend $30,000 & end up being the product that companies make money off of? Really?

Apple's car is needed.

 

[CIA]

If established players aren't stepping up to the new CarPlay, maybe it's time for Apple to step up and make its own car.

 

[TracesOfArsenic]

I think the writing is on the wall that CarPlay / Android Auto (As a mirroring service) are a thing of the past, most automakers are now implementing their own software strategy with hooks to services like Apple Music and such. See Tesla / Rivian / GM as an example of where the industry is going. I rent a lot of cars for work and I'm on the fence as the implementation of CarPlay hasn't been great on most of the cars I've rented.

As a Tesla driver I get frustrated with how crap Tesla's integration is with music, calendar, messaging, etc. It barely works. I watch my partner use CarPlay in her VW and it's infinitely better than the UX in the Tesla.

 

[turbineseaplane]

If established players aren't stepping up to the new CarPlay, maybe it's time for Apple to step up and make its own car.

Could you imagine the pricing on options?

FineWoven Heated Seats: $5000

ProMotion in car screen only available on Apple Car Pro

Colors include "Twilight Drive & Road Tar Gray"

 

[Darren.h]

apple wants outrageous license fees from the auto companies I bet.

when the Apple car died. So did this??

 

[nutmac]

Next generation CarPlay looks beautiful but it is much more limited than its chief competitor, Android Automotive.

If Apple is serious, make a full-blown carOS, just like Android Automotive.

 

[coolfactor]

I'm a huge fan of the current CarPlay but I wouldn't want any of this next gen stuff.

It screams single point of failure to me which, in a moving vehicle at speed, seems like a very bad idea indeed.

This is likely the reason why Apple is easing into it very carefully. They don't want to be in the headlines associated with deaths and disasters.

 

[coolfactor]

Next generation CarPlay looks beautiful but it is much more limited than its chief competitor, Android Automotive.

If Apple is serious, make a full-blown carOS, just like Android Automotive.

That's what the Next-Gen CarPlay is. Renaming it to autoOS would be a smart move!

 

[HiVolt]

Next generation CarPlay looks beautiful but it is much more limited than its chief competitor, Android Automotive.

If Apple is serious, make a full-blown carOS, just like Android Automotive.

That's what they should have been doing rather than diddling around with an actual car project. Google wasn't that dumb. Let people who make cars, make cars, and just make the infotainment/data collection tech the automakers need.

In car advertising is coming, just give it time...

 

[CrysisDeu]

I mean, they tried and failed in spectacular fashion. No way are shareholders gonna let that happen ever again. The Apple care will never ever happen and I guess that’s for the best given how the project was mismanaged

Same is gonna happen to carplay. There’s problems with the company

 

[nerdAFK]

🤔

 

[subjonas]

It said late 2023 for the first next-gen CarPlay vehicles being announced, which Aston Martin and Porsche did in December. Now it says 2024 for them arriving (launching?)

This is a tangent, but it seems to me there is no agreed upon specific definition of "launch date"--it could mean date of announcement, pre-order, order, shipping, or arrival in customers' hands 🤷‍♂️

 

[15C Driver]

Just gotta laugh at people saying "why would..".

Because in 2024 Car UI/UX still is hideous & awful. Tesla is maybe closest & even then it's not close to CarPlay.

Mercedes, BMW even have ugly UI/UX that makes them look like a 2014 car. Really hope Project Titan returns. Would love a privacy focused car.

I can't say I agree- I am not a fan of Carplay and prefer most car UI's (don't care for Tesla's whole setup in general either). I know there are some that want a huge screen, touch screens, etc. but I prefer a gauge cluster, and actual physical knobs (in cars and aircraft), at least for the most commonly used features. That said I guess people think FSD and I have no interest at all in it and prefer to actual drive.

Regarding this product. I can't understand why any car manufacture would give up this much control- makes no sense whatsoever, especially given the integration into the car. Lastly, knowing Apple the cost would be ridiculous

 

[icwhatudidthere]

As a Tesla driver I get frustrated with how crap Tesla's integration is with music, calendar, messaging, etc. It barely works. I watch my partner use CarPlay in her VW and it's infinitely better than the UX in the Tesla.

It was bad enough that I sold my Tesla for a car with CarPlay. CarPlay has its flaws, like I hate how it limits interaction and for some reason, Apple Maps limits data on the screen and encourages phone usage by displaying detailed next steps on the phone. But it's still a better overall experience than I had with Tesla.

 

[grovian]

Th UI is so childish and ugly. It does not match with any decent car interior.

 

[grovian]

The Polestar 3 and EX90 have both been delayed so long that these two have to be the cars that were committed to CarPlay 2.0 when it was announced. I'm not so sure that's the reason for the delay, though. Why wouldn't they just ship it with 1.0 and add 2.0 later? I think the real problem is related to having a new platform, even if it is built on android automotive like the last.

Good chance Geely wants to push the Meizu made UI in the future as they build their ecosystem. Here in china Polestar cars already come with Meizu made infotainment software and not the foreign one (Geely owns Meizu, Volvo and Polestar as well).

 

[Mr_Ed]

Apple is missing a huge market with this.

What they need to do is get this into the hands of 3rd party retrofit companies. I'd LOVE to replace my crappy gauge cluster with a CarPlay one.

And once those retrofit modules are flooding the market, car companies will have no choice but to put this in new cars, because if they don't their crappy systems will just get ripped and replaced.

Pipe dream.

For just a moment, let’s ignore the fact that (in US) the NTSB and NHTSA would probably have something to say about replacing a vehicle’s gauge cluster with something that requires a phone.

I don’t what you would pay, but I bet most people would not be willing to pay what it would cost (parts + labor) to replace a gauge cluster on a (for example) 3-5 year old car. And that assumes there is even a business case for building such a unit that somehow magically fits a wide enough range of vehicles to sell in significant numbers. And it must “magically” fit many vehicles, or else it does not scale as a solution because the alternative is lots of “variants” with adapter hardware/software, all of which increase unit cost for whatever consumers think it is even that important to have next gen CarPlay in their old car.

 

[SoldOnApple]

New vehicles only. So 10+ years until I'll ever see it in a car I own.

 

[SoldOnApple]

I just need an aftermarket kit so I can put multiple CarPlay displays in my 1948 motorhome.

Why not use Apple TVs in your motorhome?

 

[icwhatudidthere]

Th UI is so childish and ugly. It does not match with any decent car interior.

It looks like simplistic conceptual mockups. The speedo has no useful details like tickmarks or max speed, same for the tach.

 

[Mr_Ed]

I don’t really see the advantage in this? What does the user gain by basically replacing the skin in built-in functions?

No advantage at all, especially with modern cars. It ends up being just a new skin for common vehicle functions. I’m not even sure how far Apple would go to re-skin the vehicle’s UI.

I mean, on my car there are tons of settings for driving modes, driving mode customization, climate control rulesets for seats/steering wheel/armrests, interior lighting, sensitivity and feedback settings for a whole slew of driver assists, HUD settings, where to display certain info (HUD, Instrument display, or center display), etc. That’s just from the top of my head, I know there is lots more.

Unless Apple is somehow covering everything, you are stuck with having to deal with 2 UIs anyway, so why bother when the OEM clearly already covered everything in their UI.

I can't say I agree- I am not a fan of Carplay and prefer most car UI's (don't care for Tesla's whole setup in general either). I know there are some that want a huge screen, touch screens, etc. but I prefer a gauge cluster, and actual physical knobs (in cars and aircraft), at least for the most commonly used features. That said I guess people think FSD and I have no interest at all in it and prefer to actual drive.

Regarding this product. I can't understand why any car manufacture would give up this much control- makes no sense whatsoever, especially given the integration into the car. Lastly, knowing Apple the cost would be ridiculous

You are hot alone. I also prefer the car’s UI. In fact, I’ve become so annoyed with CarPlay lately I’m probably foing to turn it off soon.

It’s not even the next gen stuff, it’s plain old CarPlay and it apparently refuses to olay nice with other sources of audio. If I’m parked waiting for my son at school listening to Sirius and pick up my phone and start browsing, CarPlay takes over and I lose my audio source. Hell, sometimes it does it randomly while I’m driving for no apparent reason. A quick online search confirmed this has been a CarPlay behavior for years, across multiple car manufacturers and models, so yeah, it’s CarPlay, not the car.

 

[Supercyborgninja]

I can't say I agree- I am not a fan of Carplay and prefer most car UI's (don't care for Tesla's whole setup in general either). I know there are some that want a huge screen, touch screens, etc. but I prefer a gauge cluster, and actual physical knobs (in cars and aircraft), at least for the most commonly used features. That said I guess people think FSD and I have no interest at all in it and prefer to actual drive.

Regarding this product. I can't understand why any car manufacture would give up this much control- makes no sense whatsoever, especially given the integration into the car. Lastly, knowing Apple the cost would be ridiculous

Because all the control they have is ugly UI.

If you're arguing why would a car maker want to not be able to milk its customers dry..you're not even asking the right question. The question is, why are you normalizing that? That's not even remotely normal. Making money off a customer that bought your $30,000 vehicle is WEIRD. Like...UBER WEIRD!