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nah, not being sexist. All my friends never have camera's on them but we always rely on our lady friends to help out if there are pics to be taken. Thats all i meant. The other thing to be mentioned, pockets in pants are so small, who wants to load them up. Ladies have purses with them all the time(ones i know :) ) so its easier for them I guess and maybe why they always have a camera.
 
Take the Samsung Omnia, same thickness as the iPhone 3G, same 16 GB flash WITH microSD expansion, 3.2 inch screen, 5 megapixel autofocus camera with LED flash, FM radio, GPS, HSDPA, TV out, accelerometer, removable 1450 mAh battery, the whole song and dance.

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Apple could do it if they wanted to. There are many things they could do that they refuse to.

Refuse to? Are you kidding????!!!! There are only so many hours in a day and so many developers at Apple. They built a whole new (and great) mobile OS, opened it up to outside developers and changed the entire chipset of the thing!

Jeez, let them have a weekend or two off. They'll get to it. Sorry if all this stuff looks so easy to do (hell, you'll say its been year...). Go ahead and you build a better phone in your spare time and give us a break.

Life is full of finite choices. Pick the phone you like and then shut up. Stop whining like a baby for infinity.

And let the developers work out a few bugs and then spend some time with their families or just sleep.
 
You will find this study interesting then.

They make a link to the iPhone, but its obviously about all camera phones. The main points is that 20% of people use their phones as their only camera.

3G iPhone Set To Be Used Over Digital Camera
By Wire Service | Tuesday | 08/07/2008


Two days before the launch of the new 3G Apple iPhone comes news that digital cameras are being dumped by young adults in favour of mobile phones with a built in camera, a new study conducted by an online retailer has revealed.
Two days before the launch of the new 3G Apple iPhone comes news that digital cameras are being dumped by young adults in favour of mobile phones with a high pixel built in camera, a new study conducted by an online retailer has revealed.

According to TWICE Wirefly.com surveyed more than 2,000 adults who purchased a phone from their web site in May and June and found that 45.9 percent use their mobile phone camera at least once a week.

Young adults use their camera phones over the digital camera more often than older people, the survey found. A total of 63.8 percent of 18- to 30-year-old adults use their mobile phone camera at least once a week, and 26.3 percent use the camera feature daily. For consumers who are older than 30, usage falls to 40.7 percent use the camera feature weekly, and 13.2 percent use it daily, the survey found.

One in five mobile phone buyers said they use their phone as their primary camera, the company added.

Respondents cited family events and sightseeing excursions as their main reasons for taking pictures with a camera phone, but younger users tended to use the phone more for other things. A total of 58.3 percent of 18- to 30-year-old mobile phone users use a mobile phone regularly to document nightlife' but only 29.9 percent of those over 30 did so, the survey found. In addition, one in five young adults say they've published camera phone pictures to a social Website or blog, or four times as many as older users, the survey found.

In other findings:

73.5 percent of 18- to 30-year-olds assign photo IDs to people in their address book, but only 47.4 percent of over-30 users do so;
96.3 percent of adult cell phone owners have a mobile phone with camera;
19 percent of adults prefer to use their mobile phone as their primary camera for all photography;
77.2 percent of photos taken remain stored in the phone, 45.4 percent are used as wallpaper, and 38.6 percent are sent to friends via MMS; and
46.4 percent of all adults and two-thirds of adults age 18-30 say they use their mobile phone to snap self-portraits.
More interesting are these statistics:

13.9 percent of adults said they have sent a "flirtatious, suggestive, or nude photo," and the percentage rises to 28.1 percent of 18- to 30-year-olds;
20.2 percent have snapped a photo of an attractive member of the opposite sex, and 7.5 percent have photographed an unsuspecting stranger;
19.8 percent have taken a picture while pretending to do something else.
"Camera phones are taking over, and it's being driven by young adults" said Scott Ableman, Wirefly's senior VP of marketing. "High-quality cell phone cameras haven't been around that long, yet nearly one in five mobile phone buyers tell us that their mobile phone is their primary camera."
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Digital_Photography/Still_Cameras/R3C5U6R3
 
What is your point? The camera is fine for quick snapshots to get a person's face or to remember something.

If you are looking for an technically good photo, you shouldn't use any cell phone camera. If you think making it four or five megapixels would actually stack up against a good digital camera, you're entirely wrong and know nothing about photography.




Archie: We all know the camera's megapixels haven't been upgraded (even though the pics are better). What, exactly, is the point of you bashing the iPhone when everyone already knows it? You're not going to convince Apple to include a better one, and you're not going to convince anyone here who has already decided on getting one to not get one.
 
Archie: We all know the camera's megapixels haven't been upgraded (even though the pics are better). What, exactly, is the point of you bashing the iPhone when everyone already knows it? You're not going to convince Apple to include a better one, and you're not going to convince anyone here who has already decided on getting one to not get one.

The point is to tell people its possible, and Apple chose not to do it.

People make all kind of excuses for Apple (it would make the phone too thick, no-one uses the camera in any case, it will make the phone too expensive) when its simply a case of Apple choosing to save some money.

Do people here know the 3G iPhone actually costs less to build than the 2G iPhone, yet you are paying more? No one should make excuses for a multi-billion dollar company.
 
The point is to tell people its possible, and Apple chose not to do it.

EVERYONE knows that, get off of your soap box.

People make all kind of excuses for Apple (it would make the phone too thick, no-one uses the camera in any case, it will make the phone too expensive) when its simply a case of Apple choosing to save some money.

Last I remembered, Apple was in the business of making money. If they calculated they'd make more money by not including a better (and slightly more expensive) camera than they would by including it and hoping more people would buy the iPhone, then that's that. You're not going to change anyone's mind on these forums, go onto engadget or something. Better yet, vote with your wallet and just don't buy the phone.


Here's the thing: We KNOW that Apple didn't include a better camera to save money. It's what business do. In fact, they probably held back on it just so they could have something to improve on in the next generation iPhone. We all know that, yet we bought it anyway. Do you know how I rationalize that? I think the iPhone is a great device, and I couldn't care less whether there were more megapixels as I'm not going to take fabulous photos on a cell phone camera anyway.
 
Here's the thing: We KNOW that Apple didn't include a better camera to save money.

No, YOU know. Plenty of other people in this thread has put forward other reasons. Maybe if you educate people then EVERYONE will know, but at the moment thats not the case.
 
No, YOU know. Plenty of other people in this thread has put forward other reasons. Maybe if you educate people then EVERYONE will know, but at the moment thats not the case.

That's not true, everyone knows.

The reason we don't care is because most of us don't care whether a cell phone camera gets 2 or 4 megapixels because if you want to take a great, framable picture anyway, you use a real camera regardless of the cell phone cam's pixels.
 
That's not true, everyone knows.


I'm sure that with the phone as damn thin as it is, it's really hard to fit much in there at all, so Apple has to pick and choose, and decide if something is worth making the iPhone bigger or thicker. And a higher-megapixel camera would require a larger image sensor, for what? 2 megapixels gives you 1600x1200 resolution pictures, about the same quality as a 4x5 taken from a film camera, which is fine for most people.

Maybe you should tell him then.
 
OK, one person. Maybe there are a couple more.


I should have said vast majority. The point is, it is so many people that we really don't need you preaching about the evils of Apple and the iPhone. We all know what kind of hardware it comes with, and based on that, we can either buy the iPhone or not buy the iPhone.


Now stop trolling.


EDIT for Cousin Dirk: You got it, no more responses.
 
Most people give 2 flips about the quality of the camera.
It would have been a waste of money improving it.
 
I personally think that the iPhone is already capable of taking some great pictures! so the :apple:iPhone is quite a good phone. My old 5mp viewty took just as good quality photos as the iPhone. And also the bit you said about the camera being one of the main parts on the phone, well... the main parts of a phone is mic, speaker and whatever makes a phone work the rest is just added extras!!!
 
Wow, can people please stop accusing this guy of trolling. He's not trolling, just expressing his opinion on the camera. People having a different opinion than you =! trolling.

Forums are for discussion and debate.
 
This thing has a camera too? Awesome!

Obviously I know it has a camera, and have used it for its intended purpose.

I can't imagine a situation where a phone camera would need any of the additional megapixel, zoom, flash requests. It's a phone. Takes pictures quickly.

If you actually have time to set up a shot, zoom, decide on flash usage, then you're probably the type to own and carry a real camera.
 
Its because they didn't want to make it thick! it was either going to be a better camera or GPS. GPS was demanded A LOT more then a better camera so they'll save that for next years technology which will let them keep it thin with a better camera. If you've seen the N95, that thing is THICK. They don't want that. GPS>>>Camera allll day
 
Its because they didn't want to make it thick! it was either going to be a better camera or GPS. GPS was demanded A LOT more then a better camera so they'll save that for next years technology which will let them keep it thin with a better camera. If you've seen the N95, that thing is THICK. They don't want that. GPS>>>Camera allll day

I think the camera works great for a Phone camera
 
I for one value the camera in my mobile phone immensely. Some people just don't appreciate that situations can arise where you want the use of a good camera but you're not carrying a standalone. I don't own a standalone digital camera, so iPhone is all I have.

2MP is now really rock bottom for a phone and if Apple are intent on charging £639 for this phone then this really is the one feature which is going to put people off buying it.

Also, it wouldn't take any new hardware to improve the one that's already there. The hardware is powerful enough for image manipulation, so why isn't there basic digital zoom and suchlike there?
 
You have got to say it is a pretty poor camera on the iphone. I don't think its the hardware its the software that is poor. The hardware is probably fine as it will all come out of the same Chinese factory as other phones. It's the software that Apple don't have any experience with. Hopefully someone will be allowed to write some half descent software that will give proper exposure and produce a far less grainy picture. The smartphone I had four years ago had a better camera and that wasn't even close to a megapixel. I'm sure Apple will pick the baton up and produce a better next generation phone as they don't seem to have done a great deal in the last year apart from drop GPS and 3G chips into the iphone, not exactly rocket science. I do have to say that overall it is the best phone on the market by a long way. The competition just can't match the user interface.
 
Also forgot to say that we have to remember that the iphone is designed for the American market and when it comes to mobile phones it is a relatively backward market compared to the rest of the world. In the UK I think you would be hard pressed to find any mobile that had a camera as bad as the iphone. It's the same a text messaging and picture messaging obviously in the US its not mass market where over here it is standard mass market stuff.
 
Take the Samsung Omnia, same thickness as the iPhone 3G, same 16 GB flash WITH microSD expansion, 3.2 inch screen, 5 megapixel autofocus camera with LED flash, FM radio, GPS, HSDPA, TV out, accelerometer, removable 1450 mAh battery, the whole song and dance.

Omnia_24.JPG


Apple could do it if they wanted to. There are many things they could do that they refuse to.

Go buy one then. No one here will care if you don't have an iPhone... It sounds to me you found the phone that will do everything you want, so what are you waiting for?
 
I took this picture with the camera and it turned out brilliantly colorful and nice. Maybe you have a ****** camera on yours or your just a ****** photographer.
 

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I for one value the camera in my mobile phone immensely. Some people just don't appreciate that situations can arise where you want the use of a good camera but you're not carrying a standalone. I don't own a standalone digital camera, so iPhone is all I have.

2MP is now really rock bottom for a phone and if Apple are intent on charging £639 for this phone then this really is the one feature which is going to put people off buying it.


The problem is the "No such thing as a free lunch" from Physics.

Without going into the details, if you want a good low-light camera (THE common scenario when socializing out with friends), you have to accept fewer Megapixels (this allows each receptor site to be larger so that it can collect more photons for a given Signal:Noise ratio).

This is why the low light performance of the now-3 year old Canon 5D utterly blows away Point-n-Shoot cameras (same number of megapixels ... and newer designs ... but smaller sensor size = smaller receptor sites).


Also, it wouldn't take any new hardware to improve the one that's already there. The hardware is powerful enough for image manipulation, so why isn't there basic digital zoom and suchlike there?

More moving parts = more things to have to design the UI to control, etc. Plus even if you get all of that worked out, the smaller the image is, the less bandwidth it needs on the wireless to send/receive. Thus, even if you had an 8MP camera, you would then need post-processing to resample it down to around 1-2MP for it to be small enough to be practical to transmit wirelessly.

Just more "no free lunch" factors at work.


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