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Asking the OP to go away or go buy something else etc. is so childish folks. It is an opinion, a valid opinion in my perspective, may be not yours. I am sure all of you great defenders of Apple, would glady take an iPhone with a better camera HW+SW. I agree that camera is a lower priority but don't you agree it would have been great if the camera is better?
I never carried a camera with me before unless I am on vacation. In the same vein, I never carried an internet terminal with me ;-), I never carried a GPS device with me, and I sometimes forget to carry my iPod. It is nice to have an integrated device. iPhone does it all and I only have to remember to grab my phone when I step out. The camera goes with it and it is great. Why not have a better camera to the extent the design and cost allows? Why is someone a troll for expressing that opinion?
I never carried a camera with me before unless I am on vacation. In the same vein, I never carried an internet terminal with me ;-), I never carried a GPS device with me, and I sometimes forget to carry my iPod. It is nice to have an integrated device. iPhone does it all and I only have to remember to grab my phone when I step out. The camera goes with it and it is great. Why not have a better camera to the extent the design and cost allows? Why is someone a troll for expressing that opinion?
...except the screen is quite a bit smaller and has no multitouch, yet the phone is almost the same size, thus room for more electronics inside. The multitouch electronics make the screen thicker, and the Omnia has a much larger bezel at the bottom.
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Because some of us don't want to pay an extra $50-100 for a larger iPhone...
And denying the common sense of the balancing act and trade-offs of design is so naive.
Actually the Omnia is significantly less wide than the iPhone 3g (2.2 vs 2.4 inches) and shorter (4.4 vs 4.5 inches), so it actually has less internal volume than the 3G iPhone.
The screen is slightly smaller (0.3 inches) but the device has an FM radio, replaceable battery (which impacts usable volume inside) and removable storage plus of course the LED flash and autofocus camera.
Somehow I think Apple, not having to do the first 3, could fit in the last 2 if they wanted to.
This seems to be a good example of the hostility in this thread.
I'd like an iPhone. I've spent hours using one, and the user interface is great. But I don't use anything like £35/month of credit on my current phone, and while I'd probably use it more if I had a contract, I'm not willing to part with hundreds of pounds for a phone which lacks important features present on the high-end and even mid-range phones from other manufacturers.
That's not anti-iPhone, anti-Apple or for that matter trying to convince anyone not to buy an iPhone - it's a reflection of my view of what the iPhone needs to make me upgrade from my old Motorola Razr V3.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd like Apple to know what it is I want in the next version of the iPhone so they can make it better. I'd think that obtaining some kind of consensus here about what we'd like changed in the iPhone is a nice way of providing Apple some free market research.
It's strange how some of the rest of you would apparently prefer to shout down anyone who isn't uniformly positive about the iPhone - but c'est la vie.
I'll happily wait for Apple to release a version with a better camera and video recording - and I'll be surprised if this isn't done in the next 18 months, and without making the phone much bigger.
>>>ey dude, if a decent camera means so much to you, why don't you just buy a compact point and shoot 5MP or 7.2MP camera
I have one. I'm merely trying to make the points as follows
1) Every fing cell phone STILL has 2 megapixels...why?!?!
2) since the Iphone is so good, why not improve the camera at each new generation?!?!? Why?? makes no sense
It's simple. I just told you why it's needed. because social networking applications that will be using these and just the fact that 2 megapixels suck. You can't even print decent pics out in paper with the lack of pixels those generate. Why not have an excellent camera since one is obviously decent there and just improve the megapixels on it. Not that hard to do or think about or figure out WHY it's needed.
I did NOT SAY THE IPHONE CAMERA HAS TO BE GOOD AS A CONSUMER. i simply said increase the fing mega pixels to 4. That's a huge thing. Lets say I FORGOT my camera at home, went to lets say a baby shower. Oh wow, you know what, I have a decent camera right here, it's only 4mp but hey, I can just use this. For people who VALUE pictures, having a decent megapixel for a phone camera counts.
Lets say you're somewhere and a huge event happens. I don't know, something happens downtown in a major city. You want to take a historic picture but you don't normally bring your $300 camera to work. But hey, guess what, I have a 4mp capability and hey, guess what, i can use this more than just a post-to-web camera. I can actually take this and print this cool picture out today that I would have missed if I did not have the Iphone because I did not have my REGULAR camera today.
common people, you never thought about having better quality pics in your phones? ********.
>>>Take the Samsung Omnia, same thickness as the iPhone 3G, same 16 GB flash WITH microSD expansion, 3.2 inch screen, 5 megapixel autofocus camera with LED flash, FM radio, GPS, HSDPA, TV out, accelerometer, removable 1450 mAh battery, the whole song and dance.
THERE YOU GO PEOPLE. This is something that is USEFUL.
>>>We get it, you don't like the iPhone
Who said that? I just get tired of having a camera with 2 mp for the past 10 years in every phone I have. Why have a camera built in at all at that point. 2mp sucks.
You people just do NOT GET IT.
>>>If you want to take a great looking shot, you'd be an idiot to do it on a cell phone
When did I fing say I'm LOOKING FOR A PROFESSIONAL QUALITY CAMERA. When the f did I say this? You idiots. I said just IMPROVE IT A BIT. Fine, forget the fing zoom. Just increase the megapixel and fine, add a better lense. WTF....it's NOT going to make the phone that much heavier or bigger...TRUST ME. Samsung just did it morons.
Maybe you people should start to value picture taking in general. And with a device like the Iphone, hey, asking to improve it a bit, again is part of the overal experiene of Iphone. Why improve only parts of the Iphone, makes no fing sense.
I have one. I'm merely trying to make the points as follows
1) Every fing cell phone STILL has 2 megapixels...why?!?!
2) since the Iphone is so good, why not improve the camera at each new generation?!?!? Why?? makes no sense
It's simple. I just told you why it's needed. because social networking applications that will be using these and just the fact that 2 megapixels suck. You can't even print decent pics out in paper with the lack of pixels those generate. Why not have an excellent camera since one is obviously decent there and just improve the megapixels on it. Not that hard to do or think about or figure out WHY it's needed.
I did NOT SAY THE IPHONE CAMERA HAS TO BE GOOD AS A CONSUMER. i simply said increase the fing mega pixels to 4. That's a huge thing. Lets say I FORGOT my camera at home, went to lets say a baby shower. Oh wow, you know what, I have a decent camera right here, it's only 4mp but hey, I can just use this. For people who VALUE pictures, having a decent megapixel for a phone camera counts.
Lets say you're somewhere and a huge event happens. I don't know, something happens downtown in a major city. You want to take a historic picture but you don't normally bring your $300 camera to work. But hey, guess what, I have a 4mp capability and hey, guess what, i can use this more than just a post-to-web camera. I can actually take this and print this cool picture out today that I would have missed if I did not have the Iphone because I did not have my REGULAR camera today.
common people, you never thought about having better quality pics in your phones? ********.
>>>Take the Samsung Omnia, same thickness as the iPhone 3G, same 16 GB flash WITH microSD expansion, 3.2 inch screen, 5 megapixel autofocus camera with LED flash, FM radio, GPS, HSDPA, TV out, accelerometer, removable 1450 mAh battery, the whole song and dance.
THERE YOU GO PEOPLE. This is something that is USEFUL.
>>>We get it, you don't like the iPhone
Who said that? I just get tired of having a camera with 2 mp for the past 10 years in every phone I have. Why have a camera built in at all at that point. 2mp sucks.
You people just do NOT GET IT.
>>>If you want to take a great looking shot, you'd be an idiot to do it on a cell phone
When did I fing say I'm LOOKING FOR A PROFESSIONAL QUALITY CAMERA. When the f did I say this? You idiots. I said just IMPROVE IT A BIT. Fine, forget the fing zoom. Just increase the megapixel and fine, add a better lense. WTF....it's NOT going to make the phone that much heavier or bigger...TRUST ME. Samsung just did it morons.
Maybe you people should start to value picture taking in general. And with a device like the Iphone, hey, asking to improve it a bit, again is part of the overal experiene of Iphone. Why improve only parts of the Iphone, makes no fing sense.
Maybe it is just because the camera on my old phone was the biggest piece of crap ever made
BUT
The camera on my original phone is incredible. I take beautiful pictures every day and people think I am taking pics from a regular camera
The fact that Apple didn't upgrade it is fine by me
BUT
The camera on my original phone is incredible. I take beautiful pictures every day and people think I am taking pics from a regular camera
The fact that Apple didn't upgrade it is fine by me
>>>I took this picture with the camera and it turned out brilliantly colorful and nice. Maybe you have a ****** camera on yours or your just a ****** photographer.
Ok, now try to blow that picture up (zoom in on it), or print it. It's gonna suck balls.
so again forget I talked about the zoom. That's just a nice to have. But for sure, at least increase the megapixel and quality of the lense. That's it. Simple. Not asking for a frigging 10 mp lense made by nikon here. Just a little bit of increase in quality. Chill people.
Ok, now try to blow that picture up (zoom in on it), or print it. It's gonna suck balls.
so again forget I talked about the zoom. That's just a nice to have. But for sure, at least increase the megapixel and quality of the lense. That's it. Simple. Not asking for a frigging 10 mp lense made by nikon here. Just a little bit of increase in quality. Chill people.
Well in looking at the camera lens I can say that they did change something at least. If you have a first gen iphone compare the two. The new iphone has a noticeably larger window/circle which perhaps allows more light to enter for better low light pictures. Also my new iphone doesn't have that rainbowy film across the lens glass..it's totally clear. Anyone else?
Have you ever noticed that in low-light situations, the IPhone sucks balls at taking pictures? This is becasue of the quality of the lens. Lower it one f-stop and you're good to go. Ever notice that your half baked quality pictures come out blurry every time no matter how still you hold that IPhone in lower light (not absolute darkness but just even in your own living room)? Try it. That's the crap I'm talking about.
You have to be a tripod just to get sharp pictures with that thing even in regular light sometimes. That kind of sh** CAN and needs to be improved.
You have to be a tripod just to get sharp pictures with that thing even in regular light sometimes. That kind of sh** CAN and needs to be improved.
Why are you say angry about this? You unable to get your point across and think that acting hardcore or tough makes your point come across better? Or maybe just a young one unable to disagree with others in a mature way?
Wow, you need to calm your 14 year old bum down. You are getting way to worked up over a business decision on Apple's part to cut costs. You can either buy the iPhone (and thus acknowledge that maybe the other features make up for the "lousy" camera) or you can just pass it up.
>>>Why are you say angry about this?
Angry? No, it's a complaint. It's an irritation. Nothing more. It's raising the question, it's bring up a limitation that's important to address.
Do I need to put smiley faces after my posts? I'm not angry. I'm trying to reply to the angry posts by others and naive comments that come with assumptions and statements I did not make.
Angry? No, it's a complaint. It's an irritation. Nothing more. It's raising the question, it's bring up a limitation that's important to address.
Do I need to put smiley faces after my posts? I'm not angry. I'm trying to reply to the angry posts by others and naive comments that come with assumptions and statements I did not make.
I think this boils down to the question "Why can cell phones not take better pictures?".
The problem is that the focus is on MP, when quality is not the same things as a lot of pixels.
What is the size of the frame a cell phone uses to take pictures? It is hard to find any data on this, but I imagine it is very small to fit in the camera. As a result you get bruised pixels (or something very similar to it) and as you pump up the MP this issue just gets worse. More pixels of lower quality does not help anyone (well... maybe it helps the memory manufacturers).
Most images from cell phones I see are not really good. They seem to suffer from significant vignetting as well as chromatic aberration to just mention a few things. I think the current state for most cameras is probably reasonable and the zoom can be used for throw-away images while you'll want to to any PP of more important images in a real computer.
Personally I'd only use the camera for snapshots and not for photographs. For that the camera does not need to be really good, just adequate. If we try for more, we'll get a camera with pda functions rather than a phone with pda functions.
How large a picture do you plan to print from snapshots from a phone? If the image is scaled carefully, you can get pretty good results from 2 MP.
Then quit cursing, using all caps, and acting like a teenager angry that he has gotten sent to his room
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It is on securities list of not allowed cell phones, modding it would not matter to the men with guns.
It is on securities list of not allowed cell phones, modding it would not matter to the men with guns.
The ability to disable the camera (or not) was mentioned as one of the things which would put off large companies considering the iPhone.
As for the camera issue, I don't see why there's such hostility to the subject and poster. I think the quality of the camera on the iPhone is very good considering its low mp, but I also think in comparison to other phones of even 3 years old, the quality is very poor.
I don't think its unreasonable to be looking for a better camera in the iPhone, is it? Yes, you could just take a proper camera with you as well, but why should you when other phone users can just take one device out with them and capture much better quality pictures in all conditions, than we can. For people who are doing outdoor activities, having to take two devices instead of one can be a real pain in terms of weight and bulk.
It never stopped me upgrading to 3G, but it its one of the main disappointments in the design for me and I don't think its unfair to compare it to other phones on the market in this regard.
As for the camera issue, I don't see why there's such hostility to the subject and poster. I think the quality of the camera on the iPhone is very good considering its low mp, but I also think in comparison to other phones of even 3 years old, the quality is very poor.
I don't think its unreasonable to be looking for a better camera in the iPhone, is it? Yes, you could just take a proper camera with you as well, but why should you when other phone users can just take one device out with them and capture much better quality pictures in all conditions, than we can. For people who are doing outdoor activities, having to take two devices instead of one can be a real pain in terms of weight and bulk.
It never stopped me upgrading to 3G, but it its one of the main disappointments in the design for me and I don't think its unfair to compare it to other phones on the market in this regard.
While this is true, there are certainly ways around it. For one thing, there's actually quite a few extra milimetres space that could be used to increase the sensor size in the phone. Material science also helps, and the iPhone's CCD doesn't perform very well at all anyway in low light conditions, even compared to typical phone cameras.
It's also worth noting that there's plenty to do even apart from the CCD. The lens assembly is poor, and could easily be twice the size it is now with no effect on size or weight. It suffers from significant distortion even at it's size. A flash would help low light performance (and there IS wasted space in the iPhone case for it).
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I was actually using the camera on my 1g iPhone and the quality appears to be very ****** now that I have upgraded to the 2.0 software. Hmm...