Where's the "instant on"?

Discussion in 'MacBook Air' started by Yumunum, Aug 1, 2011.

  1. Yumunum, Aug 1, 2011
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    Yumunum macrumors 65816

    Yumunum

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    My new 13" Air takes forever to get off of sleep. I swear it takes longer than my 2010 MacBook Pro 13" but I don't have it anymore so I can't compare.

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    I just tested and it took 7 seconds after opening the lid for the screen to come back... Is this normal? Is this Lion's fault?

    I'd like to hear your thoughts and experiences! Thanks

    Videos...

    Take 1 (Idk what happened here)
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10956521/MacRumors/Wake from sleep/take 1.MOV

    Take 2
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10956521/MacRumors/Wake from sleep/take 2.MOV
     
  2. Jaro65 macrumors 68040

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    7 seconds doesn't sound normal. Mine is on basically instantaneously.
     
  3. jason.siegel macrumors 6502

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    From my understanding, it's a Lion bug associated with Wifi. Turn off Wifi and it should be faster. I'm having the same delay with mine.
     
  4. 2IS macrumors 68030

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    My 2010 Air is the same way after upgrading to lion. Takes about 2-3x longer than SL did. Hopefully this gets fixed.
     
  5. arcangel6 macrumors regular

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    Hi guys,

    I just got my MBA 13" (max) today. My unit recovers from sleep in a approximately 2 seconds.

    Joe
     
  6. 2IS macrumors 68030

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    There are two sleep modes, the deep sleep is where the problem is. If I close my lid and open it a few minutes later it wakes up in about 2 seconds too. If however I have it closed for several hours, it takes quite a bit longer compared to SL.
     
  7. markrivers macrumors 6502a

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    mine opens up in less than 4 seconds.
    i have settings from my previous MBP (2008) which was running on Snow Leopard.. so i really don't know if there are some carry over settings happening on Lion.

    it sucks if you want to get to your porn right away no?:D:D
     
  8. Yumunum, Aug 1, 2011
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    Yumunum thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I've just now realized that sometimes it wakes IMMEDIATLY... But other times it takes forever, like I mentioned in the first post. I can't figure out a pattern either. Turning off/on Wi-fi doesn't seem to change anything. I really REALLY hope it's the OS, and not my machine, because 1. I got the Samsung SSD and screen. 2. It's a long drive to my nearest Apple Store...

    EDIT: We're not alone https://discussions.apple.com/message/15813792#15813792

    I'm also gonna add videos to the first post.
     
  9. arcangel6 macrumors regular

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    Ah, I will try it later when I wake up. That will be 6 hours in sleep mode. I will keep you posted.

    Joe
     
  10. h00ligan macrumors 68030

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    It's not your machine, it's the second sleep mode (hibernation) that takes forever to awaken...
     
  11. JonLa macrumors 6502

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    My 2010, upgrade to Lion, is the same - sometimes instantaneous, other times 5-7 seconds...
     
  12. KPOM macrumors G5

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    It's a well-known bug relating to the deep sleep mode (which it is supposed to enter after 70 minutes of inactivity). Even in Snow Leopard, the 2010 MacBook Airs took a little longer to recover from deep sleep. However, it got worse with the 2011 and introduction of Lion. Since 2 variables changed, we don't know whether it is Lion, the 2011 firmware, or the interaction between the two. Hopefully it will be fixed in an update.
     
  13. ZipZap macrumors 603

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    Apple should have fixed this before releasing an OS. Of course, fixing this does not result in revenue. It might never be fixed.
     
  14. KPOM macrumors G5

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    Agreed that this should have been fixed before the OS went out, but we can't expect all bugs to be identified. 10.6.1 followed within a few weeks of Snow Leopard's release, and 10.7.1 will be coming soon. A buggy OS that goes unfixed for too long generates bad PR (just ask Microsoft how Vista went).

    Give it some time. Lion and the MacBook Air have been out for a grand total of 13 and 12 days, respectively.
     
  15. arcangel6 macrumors regular

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    Hi,

    I just opened my Air after 6 hours in sleep mode. The unit showed no delay and came on after 2 seconds. However, I have read that the issue occurs randomly so it is possible I may yet see it. Not sure if it matters but my unit has the Samsung SSD.

    Regards,

    Joe
     
  16. KPOM macrumors G5

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    How much did the battery meter go down? There are two different issues here. One is that sometimes it doesn't go into deep sleep, and thus loses more battery than it should (ideally, it should lose about 1-2% in 6 hours). The second issue is that sometimes when it does go into deep sleep, it takes a long time (around 10 seconds) to wake up. From "normal" sleep (i.e. if the case is closed for less than 70 minutes), usually it wakes up in 1-2 seconds.
     
  17. kevin222 macrumors member

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    1-2% loss after 6 hours of standby can't be "normal" - That would leave it dead after 13-15 days, not even half of Apple's 30 day standby claim. I'm losing roughly 2% every 10-12 hours and I found that to be a bit more than I expected...
     
  18. 2IS macrumors 68030

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    But you dont know when the 2% drop happened. It could have occured during the first hour or so when it was merely in standby and not full hibernate and slowed down considerably after that. I'm willing to bet that's the case.

    Angel, was the machine FULLY usabel after 2 seconds? Responsive trackpad and live wifi connection?
     
  19. leepetersonuk macrumors member

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    I tuned WI-FI off and that speeds up the time to use after lifting the lid, does seem like an OS bug then.
     
  20. TheRealDamager macrumors 65816

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    You can turn off the hibernation mode - I forget the terminal command but it's here on the board somewhere.
     
  21. johnc22 macrumors 6502

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    Mine still surprises me when I open the lid 24+ hours after using it, and there's the desktop instantaneously. Very impressed, though I'm sure it comes at some battery loss.
     
  22. KPOM macrumors G5

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    That's about what I was getting on my 2010 MacBook Air with Snow Leopard. The Lion/2011 update seems to have sped it up a bit which I attribute to a bug either in the OS or the firmware. My guess is that it is losing most of the power in the time before it goes into deep sleep. It dropped an alarming 8% in 12 hours on me once, but usually drops about 2-4% if I unplug it in the morning when I leave for work and check it when I get back home about 12 hours later. Hopefully this is on Apple's list of bugs to fix.
     
  23. arcangel6 macrumors regular

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    I will check that tonight. I went to bed and kept it plugged in so I can't answer that question at this point. I checked it a few times this morning and it still comes on quickly. Not sure if this matters but I migrated settings from my iMAC (2010) running Lion.

    Regards,

    Joe
     
  24. AntPhone macrumors member

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    Okay, I have to ask...what do you do to wake your MBA from sleep? Is this just an issue when you close the lid and open it? Or does this happen when you leave it open and the energy settings put it to sleep?

    The reasons I ask are:

    1. I've seen something very similar on my MBP (late 2010 with Snow Leopard) but not quite on my new MBA.
    2. I heard that it's a problem with the wireless; turning it off should resolve the problem.

    The only issue I see with the MBA is that it constantly goes to sleep even when it should...ie, when connected to the power supply. I have it set to never sleep, but when I come back (after about 15 mins.), there is no response on the trackpad. I have to button-click it for it to come back on. I would think that just running a finger over the trackpad would illuminate the screen and there would be no need for button-clicking.

    Any one else see that issue or is it that normal for MBAs?

    Thanks!
     
  25. jclardy macrumors 68040

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    I just watched your videos, and I think you should record one where you close it for a couple seconds and then open it, rather than closing and opening the lid immediately.

    My guess is that the computer is writing memory contents to the SSD when put to sleep (Even though it still keeps the RAM awake for the first hour or so). So that means when you close/reopen immediately it is the time taken going to sleep plus waking up. And the first time you did it so fast that the latch sensor didn't recognize that you had opened it (Which is why it came up after pressing a key).
     

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