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Samsung chip is 10% smaller, so 10% more power efficient, 10% faster and just 10% better. Since this is the case the TSMC chipped phones should be 10% cheaper.
 
The thing is, even before the phone was released, all rumours stated 14nm. So really it's not who makes it, it's the fact that it's not 14nm but a 16nm TSMC!
 
There's a reason they choose Samsung to manufacturer it. It's cause they already have a kick ass Exynos on the 14nm process. I would be pissed paying all that money and getting a 16nm TSMC chip instead. 14nm is going to draw less power, output less heat, and perform better!
Not necessarily. If anything the TSMC could be capped to run at same power / thermals as the Samsung I'd assume. That's what make the most sense to me. There's no reason to conclude that a TSMC cut A9 will run any better than a Samsung cut A9. We are paying money for the A9 not for a specific chip manufacturer. As long as all A9's run equally the same, we got what we paid for.
 
Not necessarily. If anything the TSMC could be capped to run at same power / thermals as the Samsung I'd assume. That's what make the most sense to me. There's no reason to conclude that a TSMC cut A9 will run any better than a Samsung cut A9. We are paying money for the A9 not for a specific chip manufacturer. As long as all A9's are equal, we got what we paid for.

Only you are not getting what you paid for since they are not the same 14nm process. One is false advertising.
 
Not necessarily. If anything the TSMC could be capped to run at same power / thermals as the Samsung I'd assume. That's what make the most sense to me. There's no reason to conclude that a TSMC cut A9 will run any better than a Samsung cut A9. We are paying money for the A9 not for a specific chip manufacturer. As long as all A9's are equal, we got what we paid for.
I'd assume that all performance (battery, cpu, bandwidth) specs are based on the 16nm chip or else TSMC users would be mad if their phones did not match up to a differing results of the 14nm Samsung chip!
 

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I'd assume that all performance (battery, cpu, bandwidth) specs are based on the 16nm chip or else TSMC users would be mad if their phones did not match up to a differing results of the 14nm Samsung chip!
All of this is useless without concrete benchmarks. Which I assume will be forthcoming. I'm not disagreeing with your posts, just saying we all know absolutely nothing at this time and it is premature for everyone to freak out about this.
 
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My benchmarks are similar to the ones above, 128 TSMC 6S.

My fiancé turns out has a Samsung phone but I'm not going to make her shell out the $2.99 for Geekbench, haha.
 
All of this is useless without concrete benchmarks. Which I assume will be forthcoming. I'm not disagreeing with your posts, just saying we all know absolutely nothing at this time and it is premature for everyone to freak out about this.
Yeah we just need proper comparisons now. Preferably with TSMC and Samsung chips on a fresh unadulterated 6s!
 
Oh boy. Gonna be a lawsuit. Looks like the Samsung chip being 10% more efficient is going to get and extra hour or so of battery life and be a little quicker. We need to figure out how to identify the chip based on the info on the box so we can cherry pick the good ones from the bad crappy ones.


http://9to5mac.com/2015/09/28/a9-samsung-tsmc-speed/
 
Where exactly did Apple advertise its 14nm. Rumors =/= False Advertising.
Apple will not advertise this since they are obviously using 2 different providers. The rumour started because they were using Samsung to manufacture the A9 because they were already mass producing 14nm chips which nobody else was capable of yet!
 
Oh boy. Gonna be a lawsuit. Looks like the Samsung chip being 10% more efficient is going to get and extra hour or so of battery life and be a little quicker. We need to figure out how to identify the chip based on the info on the box so we can cherry pick the good ones from the bad crappy ones.


http://9to5mac.com/2015/09/28/a9-samsung-tsmc-speed/

One post from that site:

"Smaller dies size is beneficial from the perspective that you can have more dies per wafer. Given sufficiently high yield, this means cost per die would be cheaper. If yields are the same, then you would pick the process that gives you smaller die all the time. Given that Apple still bought components that is slightly larger, this means TSMC’s yield might be better.

If you target identical design in two different process, dies size doesn’t really tell you anything from a performance / power perspective, Generally smaller dies size logically should give you better performance and power. But in this case, both process are essentially have similar characteristics. But differs from only in transistor features size, the difference is more likely a wash.

The main benefit of 16FF+/14nm FinFet process is power. Finfet gives significant reduces leakage power. This means when the phone is in standby, drains a fraction of the battery as planar process. This gives you overall a power saving of upto 30%. This is the reason why Apple can get away from giving you a smaller battery, but still maintain similar or better battery life than iPhone6/plus. From a leakage current perspective 14nm and 16nm are going to be a wash, the difference is too small to matter."
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Battery life will be the only interesting comparison between the two chips, IMO, which I am looking forward to seeing.
 
Oh boy. Gonna be a lawsuit. Looks like the Samsung chip being 10% more efficient is going to get and extra hour or so of battery life and be a little quicker. We need to figure out how to identify the chip based on the info on the box so we can cherry pick the good ones from the bad crappy ones.


http://9to5mac.com/2015/09/28/a9-samsung-tsmc-speed/
What...?

Are we reading the same article?
 
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Apparently not. I don't see anything the previous poster stated either.

Fourth-to-last paragraph. It's just speculation on the article's part.

Samsung’s A9 with product number APL0898 at 96mm appears to be 10% smaller than TSMC’s AAPL1022, which is 104.5 mm. That could mean that Samsung’s is built on a smaller die size and is perhaps more energy efficient than the TSMC version.
 
Of course the Samsung chip is better in every way. Hasn't this always been the case with apple products? 2 suppliers, one is Samsung (the champ) and one is the loser. I would return it for the Samsung chip. Its the better, faster more efficient of the two. If you went to the store and bought a computer expecting an intel chip inside and came home and found out it was the cheaper AMD would you keep it?

That's not even remotely an apt comparison. The intel chip is a different architecture, a different design, often a different clock speed, etc. In this case, it's the exact same processor, the exact same design, the exact same clock speed, manufactured on slightly different processes. Getting worked up over this is insane.
 
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