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The fact that the signal is digital is correct. That means the only thing that can happen with an inferior quality cable is you can start losing 1's and 0's in the stream of bits. Built in error correction in the protocol will handle the occasional missed bit and keep the video and audio flowing without perceptible interruption. Too much data loss will result in the screen going black or scrambling up/freezing up along with audio.

Good post.

In between your two scenarios is another potential area where there's enough loss to create the occasional macroblocking-y/image artifact, but not so much that the signal completely fails. Since a video stream is time synced, you can't re-request the data, that window is gone if it can't be corrected at the destination (i.e., it's like UDP vs. TCP/IP), but like you pointed out, that's generally due to run length, and it fails to a certain level, it'll just cutout entirely.

Though I did have a janky cable that would come and go but not totally (see below).

Anyway, I think when talking about cable quality, it's not so much cable X gets a better signal than cable Y or better image/audio "quality", its more about manufacturing tolerances, shielding, etc., and the likelihood to receive a properly manufactured cable as a result of good production processes, solid QA and whatnot, or at the very least, a good warranty.

Speaking of: love Monoprice, outstanding prices, tons of options, always some kind of sale or promo and the warranty is in my experience a "no questions asked"

Above I said I had a janky cable - it would start creating weird artifacts in the picture, I'd pull, fiddle, reconnect, and it would work again. I'm figuring was maybe a short in/around a connector, and when it settled/moved just right (obviously poltergeist activity was involved ...), it would start acting up. Contacted Monoprice, got a replacement cable in 2 days, didn't even send back the old one, and I think I recall this cable being several months old.

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Speaking of Monoprice, some good deals right now:

http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_...l&utm_content=9303&utm_campaign=151130_monday

I actually switched over to Redmere cables just for the physical management, I wanted cables that were easily run, zip-tied, that wouldn't hold an Apple TV up in the air :D Check them out, about the same thickness as a Lightning cable.
 
The HDMI cable has no effect on anything. However, if you plan on using high bitrate Dolby Digital, you will need to get audio-grade CAT5 cables. Many magazine tests have revealed significant 12th and 27th order distortion using "data" CAT5 cables. Those are called the "magic number" orders of harmonic distortion. This distortion has no bearing on data, hence why the CAT5 spec never accounted for it, but they never counted on high bitrate audio travelling over a network either way back when.

At the very least, if you MUST use a standard CAT5 cable, get a cable elevator. It will clean up some of the inherent issues in CAT5 data cables. These have been measured to give on average about a 1.68Mb/s perceived bitrate improvement on the video signal when used on the network cable.
 
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Thanks for the link.
There was only three of those audio grade cat5 cables left, and being a huge audiophile, I had to buy all three.

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I turns out I won't be enjoying audio nirvana this week.
My credit card was declined. I shouldn't have bought all those Hutzler 571 banana slicers.
 
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The HDMI cable has no effect on anything. However, if you plan on using high bitrate Dolby Digital, you will need to get audio-grade CAT5 cables. Many magazine tests have revealed significant 12th and 27th order distortion using "data" CAT5 cables. Those are called the "magic number" orders of harmonic distortion. This distortion has no bearing on data, hence why the CAT5 spec never accounted for it, but they never counted on high bitrate audio travelling over a network either way back when.

At the very least, if you MUST use a standard CAT5 cable, get a cable elevator. It will clean up some of the inherent issues in CAT5 data cables. These have been measured to give on average about a 1.68Mb/s perceived bitrate improvement on the video signal when used on the network cable.
Lol

Thanks for the link.
There was only three of those audio grade cat5 cables left, and being a huge audiophile, I had to buy all three.

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I turns out I won't be enjoying audio nirvana this week.
My credit card was declined. I shouldn't have bought all those Hutzler 571 banana slicers.
Did you see the questions and answer sections for the banana slicer on amazon, classic.
 
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With analog signal cables, one can argue the merits of high-end cables (I'm not saying that there are merits, simply that there is room for discussion), but with digital cables, bits get there or they don't - there are no premium 1's and 0's for high-end systems, so, your super-high-end TV won't display better with high-end cables, as long as all the bits are arriving. And if they're not, the picture damage will be dramatic, not, "oh yeah, I think it looks a little better/worse".

A rather simplistic but acceptable model given that there is no such things as 0's and 1's traveling down a line. The usual issues again remain with the ends of the cables and what they are connected to in a system. Between cables and devices, you can get items that don't work well together yet connected elsewhere they work fine. One should not dismiss this so easily as they do others a disservice. Pin 19 is a shorter pin and more subject to failure to connect on some devices (especially if the connector is a loose fit), even relatively short cables can cause issues (noticeably "sparkles" in larger dark or black areas of video presentation) and swapping to another cable, often shorter solves the problem. Most people in general simply replace cables and are satisfied which is certainly the easiest thing to do. I have had cables that worked with a blue ray player but failed when used with another typical device and so on.

I'll just say we agree that the usual case is either the signal is there or not. What else could happen is intermittent failures due to several things including electrical issues, poor loose contacts, and more. These often are needles in a haystack for typical users and thus, get rid of the suspect and replace (get another cable).
 
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Let's pretend it IS the right place. I'd really love to hear someone's reasoning on the subject.
Come on. Don't you understand it's the same reason we all open up our new iMacs and replace Apple's generic OEM hard drive cables with fancy Monster hard drive cables. All bits matter...
 
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Actually, if you care at all about the Video/Audio quality being sent, and received to your brand new shiny ATV4; you have no other option than to get this cable:

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It's only $10,500 on Amazon ( http://www.amazon.com/WireWorld-Pla...TF8&qid=1448984927&sr=8-5&keywords=hdmi+cable ) and with free shipping, it's a steal!!
 
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The HDMI cable has no effect on anything. However, if you plan on using high bitrate Dolby Digital, you will need to get audio-grade CAT5 cables. Many magazine tests have revealed significant 12th and 27th order distortion using "data" CAT5 cables. Those are called the "magic number" orders of harmonic distortion. This distortion has no bearing on data, hence why the CAT5 spec never accounted for it, but they never counted on high bitrate audio travelling over a network either way back when.

At the very least, if you MUST use a standard CAT5 cable, get a cable elevator. It will clean up some of the inherent issues in CAT5 data cables. These have been measured to give on average about a 1.68Mb/s perceived bitrate improvement on the video signal when used on the network cable.

The Diamond series is better. Also make sure you plug them in the correct way because they are directional

From their website:
"For best results have the arrow pointing in the direction of the flow of music. For example, NAS to Router, Router to Network Player."


http://www.amazon.com/1-5m-Audioque...1448997512&sr=1-2&keywords=audioquest+diamond



Seriously though... those who sell this snake oil should be punished. To claim that an ethernet cable is directional - hahahaha!
 
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There is a whole scam artist industry that exists to take advantage of people suffering from a known medical disorder.. Doctors call them "audiophiles" and "videophiles".
 
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There is a whole scam artist industry that exists to take advantage of people suffering from a known medical disorder.. Doctors call them "audiophiles" and "videophiles".
Maybe so, but ever since I replaced the atmosphere in my home with 100% nitrogen, my Beethoven 78s have never sounded better, and I get better gas mileage to boot!
 
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There is a whole scam artist industry that exists to take advantage of people suffering from a known medical disorder.. Doctors call them "audiophiles" and "videophiles".
Casting the net too wide. I have been an audiophile at various points in my life. There are plenty in the high-end audio community (can't speak to the video side from personal experience) who really like listening to equipment that sounds especially good. In their quest for perfection, an unattainable goal, some fall prey to the clams of snake oil salesmen. Just like in any other community.

I have heard audio systems that sound very good. I have also heard ones that sounded astonishingly like the band was in the room. The difference is substantial. The most amazing equipment (not mine) was running through ridiculously expensive cables (in the showroom of an "audio boutique"), though I do not believe that the cables contributed to the amazing sound.
 
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You're all forgetting the power cable! Idiots! Morons! All the attention you pay to HDMI cables is wasted, I tell you wasted, if you have a low-spec AC power cable. You simply must.not.plug.in.your.components.with.regular.cords.

So to sum it up, if I may:

HDMI Cable: WireWorld Platinum Starlight 7 HDMI Cable: $10,500.00
Ethernet Cable: Audioquest Diamond RJ/E Ethernet Cable: $1,194.75
Power Cable: Nordost Frey Norse 2 Power Cable: $1,679.99
Apple TV 4 16GB: $149.00
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Grand Total: $13,523.74

That feeling you get from concert hall perfect Apple TV experience : Priceless
 
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So to sum it up, if I may:

HDMI Cable: WireWorld Platinum Starlight 7 HDMI Cable: $10,500.00
Ethernet Cable: Audioquest Diamond RJ/E Ethernet Cable: $1,194.75
Power Cable: Nordost Frey Norse 2 Power Cable: $1,679.99
Apple TV 4 16GB: $149.00
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Grand Total: $13,523.74

That feeling you get from concert hall perfect Apple TV experience : Priceless

I will never be able to afford that HDMI cable. I am a complete failure as a human being.
 
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The only answer to this question is to buy the cheapest one you can find.
 
LOL, thought my sarcasm was obvious, but apparently not.

I suggest if you want to be sarcastic in the future you use the appropriate smiley. This is an internet forum and not a face to face conversation and it's not always apparent when some one is being sarcastic or just down right ignorant. :rolleyes:
 
Just bought the 64GB Apple TV 4th Generation. Can anyone help me choose the best HDMI cable to purchase that will work the best with the Apple TV.

In the past, I've used the closest HDMI cable I could grab and never noticed any difference. Last year I bought a 4K set and never noticed any difference. Then last July ('16) I switched to Directv where they have some 4K content and for the most part, got either no DTV 4K or very little. A couple of weeks ago, just before the Masters Golf tourament in 4K, I decided enough was enough and called DTV to come out and fix the problem. The installer did something to my antenna (LNB?) and then came in the house where he said he was swapping my HDMI cable from my Apple TV 4 to the DTV receiver. That resulted in my ATV 4 getting the HDMI cable that the DTV was formerly using.

Wow, suddenly 4K was super on the DTV service. Before, I could only say that with my Netflix/Amazon/youtube service which fed the TV via ethernet (no HDMI). Tonight I wanted to watch something on my ATV 4 and the picture kept flicking on and off (unusable). I was already set to go into my local Apple store and see what the problem was, but then I got the idea about trying a different HDMI cable. Wow, the Apple TV 4 was then rock steady.
 
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