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Nope...

The CPU upgrade on the TB version is minor, very minor and most users would not even notice the difference. Those who do might save a few seconds or minutes depending on what they are doing on the machine.

I've had the 2015 nTB, the 2016 nTB and the 2017 nTB and experienced no such issues with the machine struggling. I also edit 4K video from a GoPro but admittedly they are smallish sized videos. None of mine ever became overly hot and the fans do not kick in as loudly as you make them out to doing.

For what I’ve said my uses would be would the base nTB Model (256GB SSD) be sufficient for me?
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Nope...

The CPU upgrade on the TB version is minor, very minor and most users would not even notice the difference. Those who do might save a few seconds or minutes depending on what they are doing on the machine.

I've had the 2015 nTB, the 2016 nTB and the 2017 nTB and experienced no such issues with the machine struggling. I also edit 4K video from a GoPro but admittedly they are smallish sized videos. None of mine ever became overly hot and the fans do not kick in as loudly as you make them out to doing.

What level of performance improvement does the 3.1GHz have over the 2.3GHz? Also what are some real life tangible examples of this improvement?
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Because of your moderate preference for less fan noise, and your interest in running lower intensity games, editing 4k, and potentially Windows usage (in the event you decided you ever wanted to run VMs as opposed to Bootcamp for non-gaming purposes to give you simultaneous access to both OS' for development purposes), I think the touchbar makes sense, as does the 16 GB RAM update. With that said, the base nTB with 8GB of RAM is capable of doing these tasks too...if money is extremely constrained, you probably will not be disappointed - but the touchbar version will do some of these tasks better and more silently.

Which computer would perform better for what I need it for: nTB 256GB SSD 16GB RAM (2.3GHz) or Base TB model? (3.1GHz)
 
Which computer would perform better for what I need it for: nTB 256GB SSD 16GB RAM (2.3GHz) or Base TB model? (3.1GHz)

Tough choice... performancewise in short bursts the nTB is going to be faster in short durations due to the higher turbo boost and has more RAM, but the TB has more ports, is quieter, is faster over long computes, and has Touch ID. For what you need the nTB would likely outperform the TB, IMO.
 
For what I’ve said my uses would be would the base nTB Model (256GB SSD) be sufficient for me?
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What level of performance improvement does the 3.1GHz have over the 2.3GHz? Also what are some real life tangible examples of this improvement?
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Which computer would perform better for what I need it for: nTB 256GB SSD 16GB RAM (2.3GHz) or Base TB model? (3.1GHz)

You can look (google) benchmarks between the 2 processors. For heavy lifting over a prolonged time frame the TB will be faster for processing tasks. The nTB CPU would perform better in short bursts.

RAM wise 16GB might not be needed by you. Bootcamp will run fine on 8. If you think you might want to VM in the future then I'd highly recommend 16GB. Also consider large batch photo edits or anything longer than a few minutes of 4K video editing will benefit from 16GB of RAM.

The TB will be quilter when pushed (fan noise) and it has more ports. If you think you'd like the TB then that can be a bonus. Some love the TB and some, like me, view it as a gimmick.
 
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Perfect thank you that’s really helpful. Would you recommend possibly going for 16GB RAM to future proof the machine for like 5 years in the future? (Also are there any dropped frames in playback on FCPX with 4K video or lag when you have so many apps open?)

Haven't noticed any dropped frames, FCP is so well optimised even on modest hardware like the 13" mbp.

As for 16gb of ram, if you can spare the extra money then definitely go for it. I've not had issues with the 8gb in mine but I'd imagine I'll be pushing it to the limits half the time. With 16gb you should be set for a while.

Also, if you want to protect the keyboard and keep it feeling clicky for months and years to come, definitely think about picking one of these up:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ro-get-one-of-these-for-its-keyboard.2099954/
 
Figured I'd share my private message response here publicly in case it may help anyone:

I don't have the nTB model so I can't speak about the differences between the two CPU wise. But from what I've read it does tend to throttle a lot faster because of the single fan and lack of ventilation underneath. So sure, you can do most of what I do with mine, but I'd imagine it'll choke a lot quicker which would be frustrating.

I was in the same position you are in and at first was planning to get a NTB model purely because it was cheaper and I did read it has better battery life. At first I thought the NTB was just the same as the TB model without the touch bar (which in all fairness I could live without after having not used it much on my 15" 2016 TB MBP. TouchID would be missed though :p)..

But my mind was flipped as I did more research into the differences. The NTB obviously:
  • Has a much lower clocked CPU (2.3ghz) which CAN turboboost up to 3.6 or something. As opposed to 3.1ghz base and 3.5ghz turbo on the TB model.
  • Has a weaker GPU which would inevitably hurt Photoshop/FCP rendering.
  • Has a single fan = smaller heatsink and to make matters worse no side ventilation on the bottom. And I don't need to tell you, long periods of heat will shorten the life of the hardware and potentially have side effects like affecting the temperamental keyboards that these new machines have.
  • Has only 2 TB3 ports... which in fairness shouldn't be a huge issue. I only ever use 2 at most anyways, but it's nice having 2 ports on BOTH sides. These type-c ports on the MBP's are another point of failure because they are soldered onto the motherboard... and they are prone to being loose over time or damaging the motherboard/port if it is bent in a certain way which could potentially happen. So having extra ports is always nice.
  • Has No touch-bar or touch id. The touch bar isn't life changing and you could live without it just fine, but it's nice to have it nonetheless. And just touching the power button and having it log me in is a pretty neat feature.
That's what skewed me towards the TB baseline model, and I also found a new one on eBay for £1199 as opposed to £1749 it would have cost me from Apple! So I did get mine for a bargain and made the decision much easier.

Also threads like this didn't do the nTB any favors, not just the OP but others around the forums have aired similar complaints with regards to overheating/throttling and the side effects that came with that:https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2017-macbook-pro-13-non-tb-review.2056971/


Naturally I am a little biased as the TB model is what I have and I have no complaints aside from the fact the new keyboards don't have as much depth as the old ones did :p

I also noticed High Sierra eliminated a lot of the UI lag I'd experienced with Sierra on down on these retina 13" MBP's so that's also made this thing a joy to use. On my baseline 2015 13" it seemed to choke when I was in a hangouts/skype call (or both simutaneously which I did often) and the UI would get insanely laggy with CPU usage at 100% which led me to sell it immediately... whether it was a bottleneck of the CPU trying to run these high res displays or what I don't know. But since then I understood the importance of getting the best CPU/GPU that's on offer. But thankfully I've had none of those issues with this TB model.

As for 'future-proofing' you have to understand that technology moves so fast. I don't know if anyone can guarantee one of these machines will last you 5+ years. If components don't fail, the battery will certainly degrade. And you must remember, these 13" MBP's use dual-core processors... as larger machines and desktops are already on quad-cores moving towards 12 cores and beyond.

Also 8GB ram should be fine, as long as you aren't producing feature films in 4k/8k. I can't say I have ran into issues related to low ram but I am not saying it's not possible... depending on your workload. If you anticipate RAM being an issue in something you are working on, you can always be conservative and close out other apps. But I've never needed to with my workload.

Oh and I know it's not too important but just to stress... it is nice that the TB model runs at a much higher base clock (3.1ghz as opposed to 2.3 on the nTB) so it'll handle more demanding tasks right off the bat without needing to break a sweat.


Hope I could help.
 
I am trying to decide which 2017 MacBook Pro to buy. I am unsure whether the Touch Bar is very beneficial or more of a gimmick - any tips/experience?

I would like to keep the machine for a while and ensure that it won't slow down too much in the future so am unsure whether to spend for the 16GB of RAM? I think 256GB SSD is fine considering the ease of use and low cost of high-capacity HDDs. Not sure whether to go for the Non Touch Bar 256GB 2.3GHz, or upgrade that to the i7 2.5GHz or just go for the 3.1GHz i5 with Touch Bar.

I would use it for mostly Chrome, Spotify and Microsoft Office (mainly Word), as well as occasional 4K video editing using FCPX and photo editing using Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom. Also would be nice to have a few, low-intensity games and maybe run Windows through Bootcamp.

Any suggestions on what I should buy would be really appreciated!
If you use peripherals, the four TB 3 ports in the TB version are a good reason alone to go with that model.
 
If you use peripherals, the four TB 3 ports in the TB version are a good reason alone to go with that model.
Exactly, in the five year timeframe the OP is looking at, that will be painful as TB3 devices become more common place. Even today, Charge takes one port, Phone sync, Ethernet Via adapter, Camera sync anything else in the other, nTB your done. With the nTB you will need a dock vs TB model.
 
Exactly, in the five year timeframe the OP is looking at, that will be painful as TB3 devices become more common place. Even today, Charge takes one port, Phone sync, Ethernet Via adapter, Camera sync anything else in the other, nTB your done. With the nTB you will need a dock vs TB model.
Yeah, in my case: monitor, ethernet, TM backup and charging the machine.
 
I am trying to decide which 2017 MacBook Pro to buy. I am unsure whether the Touch Bar is very beneficial or more of a gimmick - any tips/experience?

I would like to keep the machine for a while and ensure that it won't slow down too much in the future so am unsure whether to spend for the 16GB of RAM? I think 256GB SSD is fine considering the ease of use and low cost of high-capacity HDDs. Not sure whether to go for the Non Touch Bar 256GB 2.3GHz, or upgrade that to the i7 2.5GHz or just go for the 3.1GHz i5 with Touch Bar.

I would use it for mostly Chrome, Spotify and Microsoft Office (mainly Word), as well as occasional 4K video editing using FCPX and photo editing using Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom. Also would be nice to have a few, low-intensity games and maybe run Windows through Bootcamp.

Any suggestions on what I should buy would be really appreciated!

The i7 non-touch-bar should be discounted immediately - it's not worth the extra cost.
Of the other two options, you might appreciate the stronger GPU and higher clock speed in the touch bar model despite having to drop down to 8Gb of RAM. I'd recommend 16Gb over 8Gb but the extra utility with the touch bar models you get is worth the drop down in RAM:

You'll get 4 TB3 ports instead of 2 (the right hand side pair of ports run at half speed)
2 fans instead of 1
More powerful GPU for graphics, games, and video editing even though a 15" model with a GPU might be better (although not within the scope of this thread).
 
I personally suggest the TB version, if nothing else just for the extra cooling capacity. Ive heard far too many people complaining about the fan noise and throttling on the nTB model, whereas with my TB model I've never heard the fans and it rarely even gets warm.
 
I think the only reason to get the TB is if you like the TB. The performance gains are minimal and the extra ports are not worth the added cost of the TB machine in my opinion when you can get a hub for $40...

My nTB gets warm when pushed but never what I'd consider hot and while the fan does kick in every now and then it's nothing major and again, it's only when it's pushed.
 
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